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As Maulfan said that scene was scrapped so as far as I'm concerned it doesn't count. So I'll hold onto the idea of Dutch being the model for the 101 T-800s.



I think its very plausible considering the records they would have had on Dutch and his Predator encounter. Where I would be vague on it is exactly how and to what extent he would come to participate in the project or indeed who he'd be dealing with - cyberdyne according to T1-verse or CRS according to T3-verse. I'm also vague on how you get the living tissue aspect of a Terminator to look like a particular person without cloning entire individuals and harvesting their external flesh or exactly who would do this - morally unscrupulous humans pre-skynet or perhaps enslaved humans post-skynet. Presumably Dutch Schaeffer would know nothing about this sort of thing going on.

Also considering that Predator 2 takes place in 1997, the original year of Judgment day, one would have to assume that chronologically it would go after the events of T2 where judgment day got put back. Thats if you want to think about the Predator and Terminator verses co-existing.



Maybe. Perhaps that ominous bit of music they play over T-800s other scenes before he finds John Connor, y'know every time you see him on the bike. I have kinda always thought about the choice of 'Bad to the bone' in that scene as being a bit of a giveaway that T-800 is the good guy this time, if you didn't already know; because it would never have been played for the T1 T-800 or indeed the T-1000.




Yeah thats a good point. The wounds he had in T1 prior to the 'run over by truck' damage were much simpler and cleaner and yet they were already rotting and attracting flies.

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Probably should go in the Predator/Alien/terminator sticky thread though.
 
In regards to the healing nature of the skin. Its a 10 year difference between the first attack and second but that doesn't equal 10 year difference in the future time. Skynet could of possibly had a 15-20 year lapse and improved the skin.
 
1st: At the time I thought the T-1000 was too fantastic to be believable in the real world. Now they actually have chemicals that can make shapes with eletromagnetic stimulation. So, that's actually a check in the minus column that has been erased.

2nd: It ruined the circular timeline that T1 set up which indicates that John would not have been born if Skynet hadn't tried to keep him from being born, and that Cyberdyne would not have developed the tech without the T-800 remains in the factory. The events that lead to those two things happening involve Judgment Day happening on August 29th, 1997. When the events of T2 happened, that timeline was altered, and thereby could not possibly yield the same course of events that culminate in the 1984 time incursion. Logically, every person that would have survived the War starting in 1997 would now be in a different place with the new J-Day event, so all bets are off on who survives at all.

3rd: Arnold was supposed to be the exact same model as the T-800 model 101 in T1, but he looks smaller and older. Yes, I know the actor aged and there's zip that can be done about that, but it kept me from believing the character as much. But that's just the visual which I can live with.

4th: Arnold played the Terminator WAY too human in T2. Thank God for the Special Edition which shows the CPU switched from read only to learning mode to help make some of his antics plausible. Even so, I just had a sense that Arnold knew his character was cool, and so did James Cameron, which is why they played "Bad to the Bone" when he got on the bike. Absolutely it was a cool scene, but the worst thing you can do to a cool character is tell the audience that he is cool. The biggest thing that pissed me off is after Arnold grenades the 1000 off the platform, when he stands up as though humanly exhausted and says, "I need a vacation." WTF! There was no logical reason for that comment except to get a laugh. Lame. The constant humanizing of the T-800 just because he was the hero ruined the image of what a Terminator is, even if it's reprogrammed, and there was nothing of the T1 Terminator represented. In that regard, I thought he was more believable as a Terminator in T3, even with the stupid lines. At least there were logical reasons for the dumb stuff he said. Things like "Talk to the hand" was because the stripper said that to him, and "I am not ____ting you" was a direct response to Connor's accusation.

5th: As mentioned above, the skin healing issue. In the first movie, the wounds rotted. That's what I would personally expect from a machine wearing flesh as a disguise. It's not eating, so where is the new flesh material coming from to heal. It's a disguise like clothes. They get ruined, you get new clothes. A Terminator uses its skin to infiltrate, not play bodyguard for 150 years. After target is terminated, it goes back to be reskinned for another mission or it becomes a foot soldier like we see at the beginning of T2.

6th: The difference between practical and CG effects on the T-1000 was so obvious that it was hard to suspend disbelief.

7th: The huge budget (for the time) and the excessive actions scenes, while entertaining to watch, eliminate the realistic, gritty feel the first movie had which keeps me thinking I'm watching a very polished action movie instead of something completely believable like T1 or movies like Predator and District 9.

I can go on...

Doesn't matter. Steven Hawkins said time travel is only possible from the present to the future, not the past. Further demonstrated through the theory of acceleration. So every Terminator movie is now flawed and impossible. Guess that means we gotta take them at the Hollywood awesomeness they are and leave any "technicalities" at the ticket booth.

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:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha Predator =/= Terminator. They belong separate. Now John Matrix... that's a whole other story. ;)
 
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Doesn't matter. Steven Hawkins said time travel is only possible from the present to the future, not the past. So every Terminator movie is now flawed and impossible. Guess that means we gotta take them at the Hollywood awesomeness they are and leave any "technicalities" at the ticket booth.

Also flawed!!!!

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RUN FOR IT MARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
1st: At the time I thought the T-1000 was too fantastic to be believable in the real world. Now they actually have chemicals that can make shapes with eletromagnetic stimulation. So, that's actually a check in the minus column that has been erased.

2nd: It ruined the circular timeline that T1 set up which indicates that John would not have been born if Skynet hadn't tried to keep him from being born, and that Cyberdyne would not have developed the tech without the T-800 remains in the factory. The events that lead to those two things happening involve Judgment Day happening on August 29th, 1997. When the events of T2 happened, that timeline was altered, and thereby could not possibly yield the same course of events that culminate in the 1984 time incursion. Logically, every person that would have survived the War starting in 1997 would now be in a different place with the new J-Day event, so all bets are off on who survives at all.

3rd: Arnold was supposed to be the exact same model as the T-800 model 101 in T1, but he looks smaller and older. Yes, I know the actor aged and there's zip that can be done about that, but it kept me from believing the character as much. But that's just the visual which I can live with.

4th: Arnold played the Terminator WAY too human in T2. Thank God for the Special Edition which shows the CPU switched from read only to learning mode to help make some of his antics plausible. Even so, I just had a sense that Arnold knew his character was cool, and so did James Cameron, which is why they played "Bad to the Bone" when he got on the bike. Absolutely it was a cool scene, but the worst thing you can do to a cool character is tell the audience that he is cool. The biggest thing that pissed me off is after Arnold grenades the 1000 off the platform, when he stands up as though humanly exhausted and says, "I need a vacation." WTF! There was no logical reason for that comment except to get a laugh. Lame. The constant humanizing of the T-800 just because he was the hero ruined the image of what a Terminator is, even if it's reprogrammed, and there was nothing of the T1 Terminator represented. In that regard, I thought he was more believable as a Terminator in T3, even with the stupid lines. At least there were logical reasons for the dumb stuff he said. Things like "Talk to the hand" was because the stripper said that to him, and "I am not ____ting you" was a direct response to Connor's accusation.

5th: As mentioned above, the skin healing issue. In the first movie, the wounds rotted. That's what I would personally expect from a machine wearing flesh as a disguise. It's not eating, so where is the new flesh material coming from to heal. It's a disguise like clothes. They get ruined, you get new clothes. A Terminator uses its skin to infiltrate, not play bodyguard for 150 years. After target is terminated, it goes back to be reskinned for another mission or it becomes a foot soldier like we see at the beginning of T2.

6th: The difference between practical and CG effects on the T-1000 was so obvious that it was hard to suspend disbelief.

7th: The huge budget (for the time) and the excessive actions scenes, while entertaining to watch, eliminate the realistic, gritty feel the first movie had which keeps me thinking I'm watching a very polished action movie instead of something completely believable like T1 or movies like Predator and District 9.

I can go on...

Greatest failure imo:
T1 (that being your bible´s right) established that the eletric field caused by the human flesh is needed to successfully transport a Terminator to it´s destination and because it´s only fanfic that the T-1000 was covered in skin makes the transport of the T-1000 a complete failure cause he´s 100% metal, or more technologically acurate for the time: nanotechnology.

And you guys are seriously considering a Termrinator/Predator Crossover where Dutch is the actual human counterpart where Skynet took the Skin for the 101?
 
Skiman, I was thinking the exact same thing. Was going to post a 1.21 gigawatts comment!

Speaking of Back to the Future, I was able to see it this past Friday on the big screen in the Genesee Theatre. It's a really cool place, supposedly haunted, and has been around since 1927. They're showing Alien and Aliens in July and I'm hoping they show Terminator some day.

Here's a pic of the place:

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That ____ happens to me all the time :panic::panic::panic:
 
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That's probably what happened. ****** was too ashamed to own up to it for the camera and blamed a ghost for his guacamole nachos. :lol
 
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