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[man_vs_machine]

Skynet's purpose for the Terminators was infiltration. That means all sorts of human builds, ethnicity, and yes...even gender depending on what the average human population consists of post-judgement day.

Well you go by that and i'll go by what Cameron said in his interviews when he invented it. That T-600 sure looks like he could sneak up on something to me

 

[man_vs_machine]

And i kind of doubt in the post apocalyptic world that there were too many hot looking swim suit model types running around (The T3 chick).

 

[prefused]

i take Arnold action movies VERY seriously.


anywho... i need some figures from this NOW. my head is gonna explode waiting for the movie.

 

[Spartan Rex]

SCC is garbage and so is T3. Female Terminators are totally lame. I don't care what you say, Cameron would say it's all ^^^^e as well. Arnold and Franco were exactly what he had in mind for the terminators. Bad ass, body builder looking guys. Not some hot chick pretending to be a bad ass. SCC is like any other bad TV show out there now a days

He considered Lance Henrikson first for the Terminator.
The T-1000 was a Cameron creation as well, Patrick wasnt a wall of muscle.

 

[noisetrigger]

I think he meant the whole double ended lightsaber thing ( if thats the correct term... ).

I thought what I stated was pretty clear. I said lightsaber battles.

Noticed how much more cooler and fancy the lightsaber fights were in the prequels? While in the OT it's really stiff and limited.

Back then, there just wasn't the technology and also no specialized lightsaber choreographer (to think of all those amazing fights) to make the lightsaber battles as fancy as the prequels.

But it doesn't matter, bottomline is, Riko firmly believes that the Endo will be exactly the same for this movie and will not receive any updates or changes.

For someone who doesn't work in the TV or filming industry, he sure speaks like he knows of the filmmaker's intentions for a movie that isn't even out yet.

 

[nicky]

Noticed how much more cooler and fancy the lightsaber fights were in the prequels? While in the OT it's really stiff and limited.

The fact that the lightsaber battles changed in the prequels has nothing to do with the advencement in film-making technology - Lucas stated in the audio-commentary of Ep 1 that we were now seeing Jedi knights in their prime - fully active, young and ready to kick proper ass unlike the crippled old men (Vader/Ben) and young trainee (luke) from the original trilogy.

The T800 in T4 shouldnt do anything more than he did in the previous films. He is supposed to be stiff and limited in movement cos he has NO skin or muscle. He walks that way cos his feet are obviously not supported by tissue!!!

 

[jkno]

My issue with the T800 in the earlier movies was that it moved like a machine while in Endo form but when it human form, it moved more like a human.

I guess it was because we are talking about stop motion. But if we want to talk about the movie characters, maybe the Endoskeletons lacked some essential movement programming that human Terminators need to have due to their purpose: infiltration.

 

[Cryoguns]

And i kind of doubt in the post apocalyptic world that there were too many hot looking swim suit model types running around (The T3 chick).

And I kind of doubt there were that many huge, bulked up guys running around with the severely limited food supply That much muscle requires a huge caloric intake on a regular basis which simply didn't happen post-judgement day. While I hated T3, what she looked like is kind of irrelevant since it was covered in the same liquid metal that the T-1000 was and could look like whatever it chose to.

The Terminator series the "Cameron" model was based on kind of establishes itself during the series. There weren't a ton of her - just one. Skynet captured the human she was based on, was interrogated over the course of days by an endoskeleton which eventually was covered in cloned skin to look just like her. This made this particular terminator more effictive at infiltration - it was a one-off and didn't look like a production model (like a warehouse full of Arnie 101 models). It also knew her history and her thought process.

 

[noisetrigger]

The fact that the lightsaber battles changed in the prequels has nothing to do with the advencement in film-making technology - Lucas stated in the audio-commentary of Ep 1 that we were now seeing Jedi knights in their prime - fully active, young and ready to kick proper ass unlike the crippled old men (Vader/Ben) and young trainee (luke) from the original trilogy.

The T800 in T4 shouldnt do anything more than he did in the previous films. He is supposed to be stiff and limited in movement cos he has NO skin or muscle. He walks that way cos his feet are obviously not supported my tissue!!!

What Lucas said is indeed true but he is also the same guy who kept on touching up his OT so that there is less disparity in terms of visual and technology between the two trilogy.

The fact remains that back then, there wasn't the cgi or choreography to make the movie the way he wanted it and the prequel is really his way of finally doing a star wars movie the way he always wanted it.

In the OT disc 4, he mentioned that in a new hope, the reason for Vader and Obi Wan holding the lightsabers with two hands was that he wanted to give the impression that the lightsaber were so powerful that you need to grip it with two hands to be able to control it.

But in ESB and ROTJ, the fights became more fluid with one hand holding lightsabers, with might air twirling and the whole lightsaber swinging thing because by then he wanted the fight to be more fluid and more fancy to show the mastery of the lighsaber by a Jedi. Of course he took that even further with the prequel.

Yes, one could indeed say Obi is frail but Christopher Lee and the Emperor is frail too in the prequels but they sure are flying around with their lightsabers ain't they?

I can't believe the excuse you gave for the robotic movement is because no tissue and muscle? It's a robot for god's sake. The pistons and the gears, or whatever that's inside that metal shell that's making the robot move. The tissue or whatever muscle covering got nothing to do with how the robot moves.

It's just simple limitation with technology back then. They had to used a puppet for the T800 that's why it moves like a puppet. Arnie is human not matter how stiff his acting was, hence he still moves like a human.

But with CGI, the filmmaker can now make the T800 movement smoother and more human like (look how much more smoother and human like the TX moves in T3 cause that was fully CGI) instead of the robotic puppet from the 80s.

 

[man_vs_machine]

And I kind of doubt there were that many huge, bulked up guys running around with the severely limited food supply That much muscle requires a huge caloric intake on a regular basis which simply didn't happen post-judgement day. While I hated T3, what she looked like is kind of irrelevant since it was covered in the same liquid metal that the T-1000 was and could look like whatever it chose to.


Touche! But I don't give a ^^^^ about any of that. T3 was terrible and SCC is even worse to me and I don't count either of them. But I still have hope for Salvation. Bale is the man, and the new terminators are in line with what i want to see a terminator look like.

 

[man_vs_machine]

He considered Lance Henrikson first for the Terminator.
The T-1000 was a Cameron creation as well, Patrick wasnt a wall of muscle.

If Cameron would have picked Lance for the part we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz that would have been the end of it right there! And I didn't think Robert Patrick was intimidating at all either.

 

[FACEBOX]

And O.J. neither.

 

[Cryoguns]

If Cameron would have picked Lance for the part we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz that would have been the end of it right there! And I didn't think Robert Patrick was intimidating at all either.

I actually rather liked Robert Patrick in the T-1000 role. He had that stone cold killer look that Arnie had in the first movie, while looking more like a lean predator who was very capable of stalking his victim rather than relying on brute force. He pulled off the 'hunter' very well!

 

[-Super Hans-]

I actually rather liked Robert Patrick in the T-1000 role. He had that stone cold killer look that Arnie had in the first movie, while looking more like a lean predator who was very capable of stalking his victim rather than relying on brute force. He pulled off the 'hunter' very well!

gotta agree there i coudnt think of anyone better suited to the role

 

[Riko]

SCC is garbage and so is T3. Female Terminators are totally lame. I don't care what you say, Cameron would say it's all ^^^^e as well. Arnold and Franco were exactly what he had in mind for the terminators. Bad ass, body builder looking guys. Not some hot chick pretending to be a bad ass. SCC is like any other bad TV show out there now a days

coulnd't agree more! what a insult for the original movies the SCC are.

as the hippie truck in "Cars" said: 'Respect the classics maaaaan"

 

[uscmhicks]

I always thought Robert Patrick was perfect for the T-1000. Seemed like an awesome terminator to me.....

 

[Riko]

Skynet's purpose for the Terminators was infiltration. That means all sorts of human builds, ethnicity, and yes...even gender depending on what the average human population consists of post-judgement day.

so why wasn't there a female terminator in T1 and T2? because "at those old days" there weren't as many females on earth as at the time T3 was set?

it had nothing to do with what you said, they just wanted to "find something new", so the makers thought, why not bring in a FEMALE and they failed miserably. Yes, she was hot, sexy and sometimes even funny, bottomline: that female terminator was the exact oposite of what a terminator should be: bad-ass!

That is why T1 and T2 became such classics, it had Arnie, a bad ass testosteron dude playing the bad-ass robot!

 

[nicky]

they just wanted to "find something new", so the makers thought, why not bring in a FEMALE and they failed miserably.

Yeah, I agree with that. They just wanted to try a new twist and be all PC. When I first discoved the TX was a woman I just rolled my eyes.

 

[Riko]

and that the filmmaker will be using the exact same model and puppet from the older movies for the current one.

forgot to mention ps:

if they did that...that would be A W S O M E (for the close-up scenes) but CGI would be okay too if it looks as good as that battle seen in the opening of T3.


somewere I've read that the opening scene of T4 would be a homage tot the ending of T1, so we can expect a one-on-one battle between Bale/Conner and a puppet T-800 endo Bring it on!

That will never happen. All sane filmmakers, especially on a movie with such a budget, will surely redo the cgi models and puppets for this movie. The fact that the T800 is supposed to be the latest model chronologically doesn't matter in this prequel.

so no, if McG is a sane filmmaker WITH respect for its classic roots..he will certainly use a "puppet" as you call it...
ps: this was the last movie of Stan Winston wich he worked with personal I thought, and he is the Puppetmaster!

recent filmhistory has proven clearly that real life use of "puppets" can give more feeling to a movie than the overload-use of CGI...

 

[man_vs_machine]

I actually rather liked Robert Patrick in the T-1000 role. He had that stone cold killer look that Arnie had in the first movie, while looking more like a lean predator who was very capable of stalking his victim rather than relying on brute force. He pulled off the 'hunter' very well!

That's true man, i'll give you that. He pulled off the "a guy who can fit into anyplace at any time" terminator. I just really prefer the Arnie version. But T2 was still greatness too, just not quite as great in my eyes. I couldn't stand the whole nice teachable terminator nonsense. But it was still a good film. You'll never sway me on T3 or SCC no matter what the purpose of infiltration was. I'm watching to see a bad ass killing machine, not some lame ass pin up girl pretending she's tough. If i want to see that i'll buy a playboy