Hot Toys The Dark Knight Joker DX/Artisan 1/6 Scale Figure

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Photos and futzing by Huaye

 

[DiostaR]

Custom bros watching people argue which subpar (Hot Toys / Inart) figure looks better

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It's like having a PC and listening to Playstation and Xbox players arguing.
(it's a joke)

All the "custom bros" were Hot Toys buyers before, I don't forget my roots.
Just like I don't forget my roots as a Playstation player.

 

[agonistes86]

There’s no reason we don’t have a definitive version yet. I’m talking about details down to the slanted waistcoat pockets, dotted pinstripe pants to scale, two swappable gold and silver pocket chains, accurate coat detailing with proper sleeve cuff buttons just to name a few.

I think this is what most of the conversation boils down to, and it's where most disagree with you.

There is no definitive version out there because (I believe) there is no such thing. You want perfection, but that doesn't exist. There are only approximations.

The only way to get a "perfect" 1/6 Joker suit would be to have exact 1/6 replicas of every type of string of fabric used for each piece of clothing, in the exact same color, which at the same time has the same reflective properties, and lay/drape that the 1:1 fabric has. And then it has to be stitched using 1:6 needles and sewing machines.

Since that's not possible (with current technologies), you need to make concessions. But what those concessions are down to personal preference. Is it the drape, is it the color, it is the exclusion of small details?
So a "definitive" version that's realistically attainable becomes subjective. And the only way to achieve that is by commissioning a one-off from a tailor who is both capable and willing to go down the same road and deliver *exactly* what you want.

To put this into practice: is there a single collectible out there, in any scale other than 1:1, of any character (iteration), that can be considered definitive? I would argue there is not.

 

[Nick D]

You don’t have to have access to screen used materials to land closer than anyone ever has before. Just have to know what you’re talking about, have the proper notes, and go through a number of samples with the right tailor. You’re making it out to be far more complex than it has to be.

Without having that opportunity,
you don’t know what is possible.

 

[yy0925]

Yes it is diminishing returns, but is this hobby in its entirety not also diminishing returns?

With my custom Ledger Jokers, I don’t have to worry about a company topping those anytime soon. Buying those has saved me $600 USD here by cancelling my Artisan PO which I can then put towards the JND Type A version. I still don’t think the JND version is up to par either, but it includes parts I want to own to make my customs more well rounded.

Keeping strict about what I deem good enough has been the best decision I’ve ever made in the hobby, can’t go back from that mindset. I have a few items I’d like to unload to fund other purchases, that process has not been easy at all.

Do I want to carry around a bunch of figures that are constantly becoming outdated and obsolete quicker and quicker it would seem, not being able to unload them because anyone who might have been interested, isn’t anymore due to everything new releasing. It’s the direction I’ve chosen,
to have far less, but better product. You guys make up for a less than Ledger Joker by acquiring more figures per year.

Now I am really really curious to see your custom Ledger Joker.

 

[DarthAlias]

True best way is to get actual screen used or same designs and fabrics used for the film and shrink down to 1/6. What we see on screen will look different in hand via lighting, color grading, calibration, etc.

 

[Nick D]

Now I am really really curious to see your custom Ledger Joker.

Just waiting on this sculpt now.
I also dyed the Wonderworld purple coat the other day, has more of a deep plum and wine color now, haven’t taken photos yet.

 

[darth dennis]

I’ve tried to speed up the process but og run organizers don’t want an end all be all Ledger.

With the right tailor, along with the right notes and guide, that suit could be done exceptionally well, never to be topped.

There’s no reason we don’t have a definitive version yet. I’m talking about details down to the slanted waistcoat pockets, dotted pinstripe pants to scale, two swappable gold and silver pocket chains, accurate coat detailing with proper sleeve cuff buttons just to name a few.

I'm glad that I don't care this much about the details of the Ledger Joker. The sculpted hair HT will be my first and only Ledger as it is one of the most iconic super hero performances of all time and despite it being my only DC character, it's worthy of a spot on my shelf. I can respect your need for the details as I've built a few life size Boba Fetts and the importance of those details match your passion for Ledger Joker. They're a bit easier to capture (and spot inaccuracies) at full scale though.

 

[Nick D]

I'm glad that I don't care this much about the details of the Ledger Joker. The sculpted hair HT will be my first and only Ledger as it is one of the most iconic super hero performances of all time and despite it being my only DC character, it's worthy of a spot on my shelf. I can respect your need for the details as I've built a few life size Boba Fetts and the importance of those details match your passion for Ledger Joker. They're a bit easier to capture (and spot inaccuracies) at full scale though.

Yeah it’s been my favorite character in cinema since I was a kid, so good. So building these three Ledgers I’m in the works on has been a real cool time.

 

[Scout Trooper]

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Just waiting on this sculpt now.
I also dyed the Wonderworld purple coat the other day, has more of a deep plum and wine color now, haven’t taken photos yet.

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Nick. None of your video attachments work for me. It's strange.

Actually the whole website has been bugging lately.

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If you decide to swap the trousers, I'm calling dibs on buying those Yunsils.

 

[agonistes86]

You don’t have to have access to screen used materials to land closer than anyone ever has before. Just have to know what you’re talking about, have the proper notes, and go through a number of samples with the right tailor. You’re making it out to be far more complex than it has to be.

Without having that opportunity,
you don’t know what is possible.

Yeah I don't doubt that there are improvements possible, some probably very easy or obvious to do. I'm just saying, there is not a definitive version, only your definitive version.

I think my obsession over ESB Vader and getting every tiny detail correct rivals your obsession over Ledger Joker, so I can definitely appreciate the idea of trying to get as close to that illusive perfection.
As you know, I'm currently building my ultimate ESB Vader in 1:4, and I'm not stopping until I'm happy with it. But it will not be definitive, as something better (e.g. a 3D scan/print of a screenused helmet) might come along in the future. And even if I were to consider it definitive, somebody else might not. A prop-builder might say it's not definitive until real screen-used paints are used.
And thus it never ends. Everybody has a different threshold, but there is no end. Skills, know-how, & technology is always advancing.

 

[Nick D]

Everything is right here, regarding tones, texture and pattern. I have more detailed photos of everything of course. But this isn’t an impossible feat.

 

[Nick D]

If you decide to swap the trousers, I'm calling dibs on buying those Yunsils.

They’re my favorites once I implemented the chain swap. Don’t see them leaving the collection. Great color, texture and length on them bro, doesn’t show very well in photos.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The jacket looks gray but somewhat 'silky' (with a soft sheen) -- is that correct?

 

[Nick D]

The jacket looks gray but somewhat 'silky' (with a soft sheen) -- is that correct?

I’m using Wonder’s currently, may swap to JND’s, we’ll see. I have Yunsil and Iris as well, currently I’d go Wonder for the grey blazer.

It depends on lighting, does have a slight reflectiveness to it. Mostly a true grey though.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I never really noticed that subtle sheen before, but makes sense for the snakey character.

 

[GaryPool]

I’m using Wonder’s currently, may swap to JND’s, we’ll see. I have Yunsil and Iris as well, currently I’d go Wonder for the grey blazer.

It depends on lighting, does have a slight reflectiveness to it. Mostly a true grey though.

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Which 1/6 costume is that? It doesn't look 100% to what heath wore in the film to me, but closer than others I suppose.