1/6 Hot Toys-The Terminator (T1)-MMS 238-T-800-(Battle Damaged Version) 1/6 Scale Figure

[a-dev]

I don't understand the hate for the Terminator music. I couldn't watch it without the synth score. The old pop songs of the 80's I can live without, but many of the synth movie scores are often suprisingly good 30 years or so later.

I'm annoyed as hell with the new sound effects and stuff on all newer Terminator releases but at least the score is the same. Could you imagine Terminator with an orchestra score and/or a Hanz Zimmer whopper score with everything and the kitchen sink that is the work of about 20 "composers" and all is mashed into one?

T3 had this and it was awful, as was the rest of the score.

 

[EVILFACE]

Any pics of the new pants and boots on Technoir?

 

[Snake Plissken]

T3 had this and it was awful, as was the rest of the score.

 

[cmiller99]

The 80's synth music has never struck me as particularly annoying. I actually appreciate the "80'sness" of the movie, I think it works in its favour.

 

[Spanbauer]

The 80's synth music has never struck me as particularly annoying. I actually appreciate the "80'sness" of the movie, I think it works in its favour.

I wouldn't call it annoying, but it definitely dates the film and takes me out of the movie. If I weren't a child of the 80's the music would definitely push the film into super cheeseball territory.

 

[Space Jockey]

I like the music in Terminator; it is set in 1984 after all, complete with bad hair and clothes and to me that doesn't really date the movie. It's just of its time period.
What does date it are the stop-motion endoskeleton effects later in the movie IMO, but changing the movie and inserting a CGI endo would probably get the same response Star Wars had with the Special Editions, i.e. 'don't mess with the original'.

But then we are getting Terminator Genisys I guess...

 

[cmiller99]

I like the music in Terminator; it is set in 1984 after all, complete with bad hair and clothes and to me that doesn't really date the movie. It's just of its time period.

I agree. I think its a charm, really. It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the movie at all.

What does date it are the stop-motion endoskeleton effects later in the movie IMO, but changing the movie and inserting a CGI endo would probably get the same response Star Wars had with the Special Editions, i.e. 'don't mess with the original'.

But then we are getting Terminator Genisys I guess...

True, as cool as the endo is, it does date the film a little.

And it seems that the amount of retcon in Terminator Genisys will be almost as bad as if the movie was "Lucasfied".

 

[a-dev]

Any pics of the new pants and boots on Technoir?

I think Ecko posted some. I'll take some pics of mine on his new stand though

I like the music in Terminator; it is set in 1984 after all, complete with bad hair and clothes and to me that doesn't really date the movie. It's just of its time period.

An excellent point^ the fashions and pop songs shouldn't be off-putting any more than the hats and trenchcoats in The Untouchables for example. That leaves only Fiedel's score and some of the effects/puppets. We love them because we grew up with them but they could be a source of mocking laughter today.

 

[karamazov80]

Here's a quick, unflattering pic of the Tech Noir with the new boots, but old pants:

I really dig the score and soundtrack to Terminator. Even when it's cheesy, it's appropriate for the time. And I like that the pop songs they used are really obscure. It makes it a bit more distinctive for that, similar to Scarface with it's awesome, obscure '80s pop songs.

 

[MaulFan]

It has been many a moon since you posted in here and I'm sure I draw attention to it every time you do, but good to hear from you again.

Thanks, it's a little depressing sometimes to see these awesome figures and not be able to get them so I've stayed away a lot but it's too tempting not to come in and look. My first born also arrived in June so I've been busy with him.

T2 is still a great movie. One of the best action movies of the last 30 years. But there are still things a kid watching it today could, and probably would make fun of. And that was a-dev's initial question. I guess folks could find some of the macho behavior from Predator kind of cheesy, but I don't know. I still have faith in th kids today, that they would appreciate it for the awesomeness that it is. No one is wearing acid washed jeans, no one has poofy '80s hair, no one gets called a "dickwad," the story is simple, but solid, the performances are very serviceable for what they are supposed to be, the costuming and special effects are still good, there isn't much cheesy romance or melodrama, etc.

Predator's pretty solid, but I feel like Predators essentially gives the modern audience all the best parts of Predator minus the over the top testosterone of the original and that's why it worked for them. I can really see young guys today seeing the arm wrestling greeting between Dutch and Dillon and being like, "this is so gay" and shutting it off, it just seems like that sort of thing only makes sense if you grew up in the era.

 

[The Skull]

Thanks, it's a little depressing sometimes to see these awesome figures and not be able to get them so I've stayed away a lot but it's too tempting not to come in and look. My first born also arrived in June so I've been busy with him.



Predator's pretty solid, but I feel like Predators essentially gives the modern audience all the best parts of Predator minus the over the top testosterone of the original and that's why it worked for them. I can really see young guys today seeing the arm wrestling greeting between Dutch and Dillon and being like, "this is so gay" and shutting it off, it just seems like that sort of thing only makes sense if you grew up in the era.

Nothing chessy or gay about this



And the re-mastered micheal bay Blu-ray edition





BTW:Congrats on the new addition

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, I guess the sensitive, introspective modern film hero would be more acceptable to the hipster generation than some macho bad asses who like to flex their muscles as a show of their machismo, and sure, maybe have sex with each other every once in awhile.

 

[The_Seeker]

I was going to mention the awful synthesized music; apart from the terminator "dun dun dun dun dun" theme, the music is truly distractingly dated. The acting and dialog for many of the nameless bit parts is pretty cheesy, too. Great movie, but I think a person would have had to grow up with it to be able to overlook those dated elements.

So am I right in my understanding of what you're saying here? That the music of a film very much of its time can date a film? If the music of The Terminator dates it at around, ooh let's say 1984, then that's because IT WAS MADE IN EFFING 1984!!

I don't know, kids these days eh!

 

[holtrax]

So am I right in my understanding of what you're saying here? That the music of a film very much of its time can date a film? If the music of The Terminator dates it at around, ooh let's say 1984, then that's because IT WAS MADE IN EFFING 1984!!

I don't know, kids these days eh! ��

That's true but even for 1984 the music was bad.

 

[anwe]

Here's a quick, unflattering pic of the Tech Noir with the new boots, but old pants:

I have to say I hate the new shoes and pants. I can admit the new pants are better in color but everything else about them just plain sucks. The new boots aren't any more screen accurate than the old ones, the movie boots are somewhere in between the MMS136/MMS02 and MMS238 with regard to thickness.

Predator's pretty solid, but I feel like Predators essentially gives the modern audience all the best parts of Predator minus the over the top testosterone of the original and that's why it worked for them. I can really see young guys today seeing the arm wrestling greeting between Dutch and Dillon and being like, "this is so gay" and shutting it off, it just seems like that sort of thing only makes sense if you grew up in the era.

So that's what I miss in modern action movies (which I generally feel are for the most part subpar compared to the 70's80's/90's). It's the testosterone and gayness of it all. Am I a homosexual without even knowing it?

Edit: I just realized critiquing the fit and look of a pair of dolly-pants and boots in the very same post might actally speak loud and clear in itself. I have to come to terms with it I guess.

 

[MaulFan]

I wasn't implying anything gay about it all, just saying, in my experience with young men of today, that's the sorta mindset they have and things they'd say about it. The 80's was all about muscles and testosterone if you think about it though, Arnold, Stallone, He-Man, Thundercats, it was everywhere, it was the norm and those growing up around it embraced it.

Kids today are growing up with guys like Keanu Reeves and I'd even say Jason Statham as their visions of action heroes. The Rock keeps a bit of the 80s going but that's about it. Action stars today are fit but nowhere to the level of the 80s and don't show it off as much, Jason Statham keeps his shirt on most of the time despite being fit, and other stars aren't even that well built, they're just cast in the roles. Christian Bale is a modern action actor but by no means a very muscular guy.

As for the music, The Terminator score is not bad, it's just very specific to the time period of the film. Even though T2 isn't totally orchestral and still has some synthesized qualities, it sounds more like an orchestral score and doesn't date the movie at all. Pure synthesizer music came and went with the 80s and no matter how undated everything else in a movie might be, the second you hear that sound, it's over and to most of today's youth it's a cheesy sound like something out of a cheap old video game.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Thanks, it's a little depressing sometimes to see these awesome figures and not be able to get them so I've stayed away a lot but it's too tempting not to come in and look. My first born also arrived in June so I've been busy with him.



Predator's pretty solid, but I feel like Predators essentially gives the modern audience all the best parts of Predator minus the over the top testosterone of the original and that's why it worked for them. I can really see young guys today seeing the arm wrestling greeting between Dutch and Dillon and being like, "this is so gay" and shutting it off, it just seems like that sort of thing only makes sense if you grew up in the era.

You might be right about that to a degree, although it really depends on what films they were raised on. To me, it's one of those iconic cheese ball guy scenes that I always liked.

But if you want to talk about unintentional scenes that can be construed as gay, I give you...

 

[MaulFan]

You might be right about that to a degree, although it really depends on what films they were raised on. To me, it's one of those iconic cheese ball guy scenes that I always liked.

Agreed, it's why I like the Expendables, it brings back the cheese of the 80s with a modern twist. Even though we acknowledge it a cheese though, our liking it sees past that but I feel like today's youth would just see it as joke.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Agreed, it's why I like the Expendables, it brings back the cheese of the 80s with a modern twist. Even though we acknowledge it a cheese though, our liking it sees past that but I feel like today's youth would just see it as joke.

Expendables is a great example of that. To me, it's almost an extension of the Predator team, minus the Predator. I have yet to see Expendables 2 and 3.

 

[anwe]

I actually haven't dared to watch any of the Expendables movies. I have owned 1 (and 2) on blu-ray for years but I'm afraid I will hate it and something will die inside if that's the case. It's incredibly stupid but that's how I feel.