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I would have bought Jean Grey as The Phoenix for The Last Stand. Mystique would also look like an awesome figure from any of the films.

Magneto and Xavier might look a bit boring, but that didn't stop HT making a Phil Coulson from The Avengers or Alfred from Batman.

Collosus would look great using his powers as well as Iceman. Beast also would stand out in his mutant form.

I guess they're just not sure if these characters will be big sellers. I just think they need to do more than continuously producing different Wolverines! I mean how many versions of him have they done already? 3?

Also everyone always loves the bad guys, The Joker is always popular and Loki as well. Now I've seen HT has made an Electro from TASM 2, even though the film has not been a big success.

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It's called an opinion. Calm down old boy.

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Could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing really any toy merchandise for Star Trek, nor SSC stuff like PFs and whatnot (mind you, I wasn't looking, either). So assuming my assumption is correct and it's because there really wasn't much available from SSC and Hasbro, couldn't the same thing be true here (i.e., no-one is interested in producing these representations)?

Star Trek is not a Marvel superhero team.

But if that's the case, why wouldn't Sony also be 'frozen out' w/ASM2? Doesn't make sense to me to freeze out the competition unless it's going to be applied consistently to both Fox and Sony. ASM2 at least had the benefit of having (IMO) the definitive Spider-Man costume representation, even if HT looks to have messed it up.

We have no idea what kind of deals Disney has going with Sony. All we know is that X-Men is the ONE Marvel property that has NOTHING. Godzilla has a freaking art book for crying out loud. I just don't buy that neither Fox nor any merchandising company wants to make any money at all from the license. That's absurd.
 
Star Trek is not a Marvel superhero team.
It's still a huge license with a very successful reboot. I'm sure there were tons of ST fans that were questioning why HT wasn't making characters and arguing that they'd sell 'a couple thousand of x, if only HT would make them'.


...I just don't buy that neither Fox nor any merchandising company wants to make any money at all from the license. That's absurd.
Honestly, I don't think so. If there was money to be made, I'm sure someone would be on it. Yeah, it's X-Men, but it's not inspired by the comics in the same way Avengers, Spidey or GotG is. I think the marketing guys looked at it and figured it was a big risk considering how deep the line would need to be and how undifferentiated the costumes are. I'm going to stick w/that until it's proven otherwise.
 
I would have bought Jean Grey as The Phoenix for The Last Stand. Mystique would also look like an awesome figure from any of the films.

Magneto and Xavier might look a bit boring, but that didn't stop HT making a Phil Coulson from The Avengers or Alfred from Batman.

Collosus would look great using his powers as well as Iceman. Beast also would stand out in his mutant form.

I guess they're just not sure if these characters will be big sellers. I just think they need to do more than continuously producing different Wolverines! I mean how many versions of him have they done already? 3?

Also everyone always loves the bad guys, The Joker is always popular and Loki as well. Now I've seen HT has made an Electro from TASM 2, even though the film has not been a big success.

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Mystique or Magneto for me :clap
 
I'm very conflicted, on the one hand I want Rocket, Groot and Starlord as I've been a fan of them for awhile. On the other hand I'm unbelievably annoyed and pissed that they have the whole team in the works and are advertising them two months before the movie releases but aren't doing a single figure from DOFP. It's more A Disney issue than HT but leaves a sour taste in my mouth about the whole affair and is leaving me instead of feeling excited for GOTG just pissed at Disney for their treatment of their merchandising of X-Men

this whole thing sucks. the shut out, real or not, no ht figs, no ssc products, the whole shebang. especially for collectors who love the movie, just a damn shame. it may or may not make sense business wise, but it sure doesnt change the fact it's a huge middle finger to fans and supporters of the movie.

:exactly: :exactly:

The last two Wolvies released for sale are still hanging around SSC's website, while their Iron Men almost always sell out before even coming in-stock. And that's the X-Men's biggest hitter by a wide margin.

Captain Americas were hanging around in-stock as new ones came up for sale

Seriously? You honestly think that a Hot Toys Micheal Fassbender Magneto would't sell 3000 units? They sold that many Dastuns: who? exactley and Babydoll figures from a film you won't find anywhere in the top 100 grossing films, various video game related figs that while nice figures must have even less 'exposure' than the X-Men.

The figures would sell all right, no doubt about it.

:exactly: :goodpost:

I think the total shutout of all merchandising save for Minimates is pretty glaring and points to something far greater than HT not having a strong relationship with Fox. Where are the SSC PF's or Hasbro figures? SSC has already previewed TWO GotG PF's and Hasbro and Lego have a ton of GotG figures and playsets on the way. This is much bigger than HT. I can't see how it's anything other than a full-on veto by Disney.

Sadly I agree, this is Disney holding the X-Men merch hostage.
 
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But if that's the case, why wouldn't Sony also be 'frozen out' w/ASM2? Doesn't make sense to me to freeze out the competition unless it's going to be applied consistently to both Fox and Sony. ASM2 at least had the benefit of having (IMO) the definitive Spider-Man costume representation, even if HT looks to have messed it up.

When Sony was broke and looking at shutting down a large portion of their film production, they allowed Marv-Disney to change their contract. You can Google and find the details pretty easily, but here's the jist: Marvel relinquished pretty much all rights of production and profit from the film and Sony relinquished almost all of their merchandising rights, it was literally a miniscule amount Sony retained, but basically Marvel is making as much profit on merchandise from Spiderman movies as they are from their own movies and now they don't even have to produce the flicks to get the cash. Fox still has the original contract, so either Fox or Disney can reject merchandise, but I'm guessing it's Disney because they want to squeeze Fox into giving up the properties.
My guess is, if Fox were desperate enough to sign a deal like Sony, we'd be flooded with toys from the movie. But they're not, so we're going to get miniscule amounts if anything at all.
 
When Sony was broke and looking at shutting down a large portion of their film production, they allowed Marv-Disney to change their contract. You can Google and find the details pretty easily, but here's the jist: Marvel relinquished pretty much all rights of production and profit from the film and Sony relinquished almost all of their merchandising rights, it was literally a miniscule amount Sony retained, but basically Marvel is making as much profit on merchandise from Spiderman movies as they are from their own movies and now they don't even have to produce the flicks to get the cash. Fox still has the original contract, so either Fox or Disney can reject merchandise, but I'm guessing it's Disney because they want to squeeze Fox into giving up the properties.
My guess is, if Fox were desperate enough to sign a deal like Sony, we'd be flooded with toys from the movie. But they're not, so we're going to get miniscule amounts if anything at all.

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When Sony was broke and looking at shutting down a large portion of their film production, they allowed Marv-Disney to change their contract. You can Google and find the details pretty easily, but here's the jist: Marvel relinquished pretty much all rights of production and profit from the film and Sony relinquished almost all of their merchandising rights, it was literally a miniscule amount Sony retained, but basically Marvel is making as much profit on merchandise from Spiderman movies as they are from their own movies and now they don't even have to produce the flicks to get the cash. Fox still has the original contract, so either Fox or Disney can reject merchandise, but I'm guessing it's Disney because they want to squeeze Fox into giving up the properties.
My guess is, if Fox were desperate enough to sign a deal like Sony, we'd be flooded with toys from the movie. But they're not, so we're going to get miniscule amounts if anything at all.


In the case with Sony, that's exactly it. DisMarv doesn't get any profits from the films, only the merchandise.

But with Fox, they DO get a percentage of the films. So either way, Disney is still getting their cut.

I also don't see how Disney could reject anything based on DoFP. If they have no control over the designs in the movie, how can they control what's produced?

You all saw the prototypes that HT developed, they couldn't be more spot on, so how could Disney reject it? The answer is, they can't. Disney has no veto power there, none. Fox can make whatever they want from the movies, and they chose not to, for whatever reason.

As I said in the other thread, it might be retailers just don't want them, or Hasbro doesn't want to bother (why would they when they can make all the comic book versions they want?).
Weren't Xmen figures were made for the first 2 movies? Were they successful? Well, the costumes for DoFP don't look all that different, so why would they go through that again?

(It's probably the same reason that you won't see anything for the Fantastic Four either. Remember the figures from the last 2 films? I do, and I still see some of them lying around collecting dust, and they were pretty accurate to the comic look.)

With GOTG, everyone is rolling the dice on this. It may be huge, or it may fall on it's ass. No one knows, and no one will know until August. If it's a hit, they have the swag all ready (and molds made, if there's sequels), if not, they'll be stuck with a lot of unsold crap (maybe it might be a hit overseas and the toys will go there). It's happened before and it will happen again. It's all a crap shoot. That's why Hollywood likes prequels, sequels, reboots, etc.

Who knows, maybe the film will be huge, and the toys won't sell (Avatar anyone?), or maybe vice versa. Regardless of whether you have any interest in GOTG, the designs are different and eye catching.
So it has that going for it, along with the Marvel Studios banner.

There's no conspiracy here. Disney still makes money off the properties they don't have the film rights to, so squeezing Sony or Fox out wouldn't make sense. Even if the rights to Spidey, XMen and the Fantastic Four reverted back to them tomorrow, they wouldn't have anything in production for at least ten years. This way, they get none of the grief and all (or some) of the gravy with little to no risk on their end.

But if people want to believe otherwise and hate Disney that much, here's some food for thought: Fox has the rights to STAR WARS forever, and Disney will probably never get that.

Feel better?
 
You can't blame Marvel/Disney for making a business decision in an attempt to regain the rights to their own properties.

Does it suck for the fans? Sure. I want figures from this film too but I can appreciate where DisMar is coming from.

Two pack of McAvoy Xavier and Fassbender Magneto and another of Stewart Xavier with Ian Magneto... wow, that would be amazing.

Throw in 70s Logan with Future Wolverine and a single Mystique figure and we got winner winner.
 
I'm on my phone so it's a pain to look through threads properly. Can some explain the whole DisMarv vs Disney vs Marvel vs Fox thing in a simple sentence please. :D
 
I'm on my phone so it's a pain to look through threads properly. Can some explain the whole DisMarv vs Disney vs Marvel vs Fox thing in a simple sentence please. :D

Bull****

:)

(People think Marvel/Disney are sabotaging Fox properties because there was a rumour that Marvel was cancelling the Fantastic Four comic, which has been called out by Tom Brevoort but people still think it's real and as an extension people are using it as a reason as to why we've seen no X-Men Hot Toys (because 3 Wolverines don't count))

In reality, we assume Disney own the merchandising rights for Fox stuff so don't produce stuff out of spite. When in reality it's probably because a) they don't sell well b) designs aren't that great and c) GOTG comes out soon, focus on that. Not d) We want X-Men back.
 
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Weren't Xmen figures were made for the first 2 movies? Were they successful? Well, the costumes for DoFP don't look all that different, so why would they go through that again?

Ahem nope. Magneto gets a full upgrade that looks flashier than a lot of the things we've seen by far. Sentinels are something entirely new for the movies and even Logan has a pretty toyetic design from his future version. And let's not forget the bright yellow suits of First Class. It's not like everyone's still wearing those black leather outfits, there's a lot more variety from First Class and DOFP this time around. You're also forgetting that Beast, Dark Phoenix and Juggernaut were still made in the Marvel Legends line based on the 3rd film, so yes even Last Stand got some figures (makes sense they'd skip the others since they wear the same outfits from the previous films anyway). Why can't it be the same way this time around? And who's to say that Fox doesn't want to "go through that again"? We don't know if the previous lines being unsuccessful is the cause for the freezeout at all. For all we know they're simply employing an entirely different strategy this time around.
 
Ahem nope. Magneto gets a full upgrade that looks flashier than a lot of the things we've seen by far. Sentinels are something entirely new for the movies and even Logan has a pretty toyetic design from his future version. And let's not forget the bright yellow suits of First Class. It's not like everyone's still wearing those black leather outfits, there's a lot more variety from First Class and DOFP this time around. You're also forgetting that Beast, Dark Phoenix and Juggernaut were still made in the Marvel Legends line based on the 3rd film, so yes even Last Stand got some figures (makes sense they'd skip the others since they wear the same outfits from the previous films anyway). Why can't it be the same way this time around? And who's to say that Fox doesn't want to "go through that again"? We don't know if the previous lines being unsuccessful is the cause for the freezeout at all. For all we know they're simply employing an entirely different strategy this time around.


I didn't say Fox doesn't want to go through that again, I said retailers. None of the studios make their merchandise, they license them out. So even if Fox had a deal with any toy company to make figures, retailers can still pass on them. If the toys from the other XMen movies weren't successful, why would they try again? Stores don't want to get stuck with them or sell them at a huge loss. They want to make money too.

I already used this example in the comic thread, but I'll say it again: The reason that there were no figures made for Green Lantern:TAS was because retailers got burned on the GL movie, so they didn't want them. No orders, no figures.

I agree with you on XM:FC. The designs were different, so why were there no figures? Ask Fox.
 
@The Phantom: Okay gotcha, now we're on the same page... in that regard...
I agree with you on XM:FC. The designs were different, so why were there no figures? Ask Fox.

Pretty much. Mind you it's not like I'm just blaming Disney/Marvel here, I'm also looking at Fox because even I recognize that some (if not a lot) of the problem with this probably has to do with their current business practice. :monkey4
 
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