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How do YOU feel about Hot Toys re-releases?

  • Don't Care

    Votes: 99 22.5%
  • Happy to have a second crack at a figure

    Votes: 230 52.3%
  • Getting annoyed by them

    Votes: 66 15.0%
  • Frustrated and view this practice as unfair

    Votes: 45 10.2%

  • Total voters
    440
On a more positive note. If a person likes great looking collectibles of popular characters, that are at least semi-rare, what can you collect? Do you need to go vintage? Are Sideshow 1:1 busts rare? Any suggestions on helping me put together a unique display instead of going the Hot Toys route?
 
Not to insult you but I don't understand why someone would value 'rare' over their interest in the item itself, it seems like you're trying to prove yourself as 'special' or 'different' or something.

If you want rare, and like 1/6, maybe commission people to make one-off figures just for you. Maybe that's too expensive for you though. If money's tight, perhaps you could just get a lighter and burn the heads of your HT figures? I imagine no one else is doing that and so you'd be the only one with melted-head figures. Plus, even if you do encounter someone who is also melting their figures, the melting wont be exactly the same as yours and so it'd still be rare. No two heads would be melted in the exact same way.
 
Not to insult you but I don't understand why someone would value 'rare' over their interest in the item itself, it seems like you're trying to prove yourself as 'special' or 'different' or something.

If you want rare, and like 1/6, maybe commission people to make one-off figures just for you. Maybe that's too expensive for you though. If money's tight, perhaps you could just get a lighter and burn the heads of your HT figures? I imagine no one else is doing that and so you'd be the only one with melted-head figures. Plus, even if you do encounter someone who is also melting their figures, the melting wont be exactly the same as yours and so it'd still be rare. No two heads would be melted in the exact same way.

Thank you! You were very helpful!
 
You're welcome. Be careful around that flame though. Don't put your face too close to the lighter and don't inhale the fumes let off by the burning plastic (probably best to do it outside, I'd say). Good luck!
 
On a more positive note. If a person likes great looking collectibles of popular characters, that are at least semi-rare, what can you collect? Do you need to go vintage? Are Sideshow 1:1 busts rare? Any suggestions on helping me put together a unique display instead of going the Hot Toys route?

Buy what you like not what others think you should like. You will enjoy your collection a lot more.
 
I want a rare Iron Man or Batman or Spider-Man figure or statue or something. Serious art collectors don't buy reprints. They buy originals. I just want something rare (but not cray priced). I thought $200 figures were crazy priced. I also thought they were rare. I was wrong. It is not Hot Toy's fault. I simply refuse to ever buy another one again. I started selling on Ebay so I can take advanage of other people who are just like I was. The Freaks here should not pay any thing for a Hot Toys figure. We all know they will remake them plenty of times. And if not now, when they are popular again. Hot Toys is a great company. They just make too much of a figure for them to be collectible in my eyes.
 
Hanging out on a forum like this it's easy to conclude that high-end figures are everywhere. But really, they are $200+ man dolls. Believe me, they are rare. Or maybe I just move in different circles.
 
I want a rare Iron Man or Batman or Spider-Man figure or statue or something. Serious art collectors don't buy reprints. They buy originals. I just want something rare (but not cray priced). I thought $200 figures were crazy priced. I also thought they were rare. I was wrong. It is not Hot Toy's fault. I simply refuse to ever buy another one again. I started selling on Ebay so I can take advanage of other people who are just like I was. The Freaks here should not pay any thing for a Hot Toys figure. We all know they will remake them plenty of times. And if not now, when they are popular again. Hot Toys is a great company. They just make too much of a figure for them to be collectible in my eyes.

You can't get nothing Rare for $200 well maybe a Steak from a good restaurant :dunno
 
I started selling on Ebay so I can take advanage of other people who are just like I was.

No... Those people most probably aren't like you are, those people are more likely buying because they want to own something they like, for the majority it's as simple as that. Some of them may agree that the figures are overpriced but they still want the figure anyway and so they swallow the price.

Your problem seems to be this 'serious art collector' business. If that's what you want to be, or want to be seen as, it's not going to happen by buying 1 of 5,000 toys even if it that toy does cost $200.
 
And I'm back! I've been thinking about it more, it really just baffles me. I find it just so intriguingly stupid. What you're asking, JohnnyT, is really as preposterous as someone going to a car forum and saying, 'What's a rare and sought-after car that will impress women but wont set me back more than $300?' It's more nitwitted than that though because the person asking that question just wants to attract women, that's an understandable/reasonable goal, whereas you apparently just want to impress strangers on an internet forum.

You sound like a poor person who wants to be accepted at the local country club when they obviously don't fit in on any level. It sounds like you're trying to compensate for personal shortcomings, to superficially prove yourself better than others, or I don't know what.

Am I wrong? I'm just theorizing here - I accept I could be completely off. I'm genuinely curious though. You tell me then, why exactly do you want a "rare" Spider-Man statue instead of a Spider-Man statue that you like? And when you have that rare Spider-Man statue, who other than people you encounter on the internet would actually know and appreciate that it's rare?
 
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On a more positive note. If a person likes great looking collectibles of popular characters, that are at least semi-rare, what can you collect? Do you need to go vintage? Are Sideshow 1:1 busts rare? Any suggestions on helping me put together a unique display instead of going the Hot Toys route?

This is puzzling me too. You'll have to expand on what qualifies as a 'great looking collectible'. And what is 'semi-rare'? I'd say that 10-20 thousand units of anything in a world population of 6 billion or so makes any HT figure at least 'semi-rare'.

Vintage stuff is often comparatively rare, but then how many vintage figures or statues are you going to find of 'popular characters'?

Wanting rare stuff without the rare price tag usually equates to said rare stuff being stuff that nobody else wants (and usually it's not because it is way too awesome, but because it's crap).

You mention 'serious art collectors'. Serious art collectors may not buy reprints, but they don't shy away from paying 'crazy prices'. That's kind of why they are serious art collectors, because they don't buy cheap stuff. They pay a lot of money for awesome stuff, because awesome stuff typically costs lots of money.

Posts like yours make me glad I can happily gaze upon my collection of these things and truly appreciate them. Over the course of a week I'd spend a reasonable amount of time just looking at them, marveling at their precision or being reminded of their context (film, tv, historical event, nostalgia etc). And not once do I ever think about how much of a bummer it is that a bunch of nerds on a dolly forum have the same figure.
 
No. In the long run it actually hurts HT. Re-releasing a figure as we've seen knocks down the value of the original on the secondary market. Well, many people hoping to get that high price (on a figure HT's already gotten money for), would likely turn around and buy 2, 3, 4+ new Hot Toys figures with the take on the resale. Stripping the collectors of that cash hurts Hot Toys directly. It's not like they'll make that back re-releasing figures people already own and I doubt there're enough new customers at the higher new price to justify the hit they take from those who'd purchase products with resale cash. So in the end, less revenue = less product and/or cutbacks to compensate for the loss of cash. In the end, both HT and collectors lose.

maybe i would have agreed to the above points if hot toys were just releasing ordinary toys, but what they have is some of the best ever action figures out there, only thos who are concerned about resale value would drop out and not those who appreciate the aesthetics of a hot toys product,i buy only the ones i really like and dont buy ones which i dont like, i buy whatver i like from sideshow, koto, bowen,
its true there are a lot who just collect for the rarity forgetting the fact these are really first class toys, a major jump from the types of figures we older folk have seen during our times,
what happens with limited run is people take advantage of the oppurtunity to make some money by hoarding, among thos there might be even thos who like to fund their future purchases by selling older multiple stocks at high values,
for me as someone who buys a figure to enjoy its artistic value, and not for reselling, id appreciate it if i could find some figures at retail price few years down the line, if i happen to damage the one in my hand.
also im pretty sure if hot toys continued their limited run, more scalper would be joing in leading to lesser amount available for someone who just wants one for his collection,
in fact the reason for pieces like thor , cap not selling out is due to multiple scalper orders and false demand,which in turn leads to poor QC. also i would rather have hot toys get my cash rather than a scalper if they wish to increase the prices,
the only factor they need to careful is their quality as long as they release the best toys out there in the market, people will buy it no matter what
 
No. In the long run it actually hurts HT. Re-releasing a figure as we've seen knocks down the value of the original on the secondary market. Well, many people hoping to get that high price (on a figure HT's already gotten money for), would likely turn around and buy 2, 3, 4+ new Hot Toys figures with the take on the resale. Stripping the collectors of that cash hurts Hot Toys directly. It's not like they'll make that back re-releasing figures people already own and I doubt there're enough new customers at the higher new price to justify the hit they take from those who'd purchase products with resale cash. So in the end, less revenue = less product and/or cutbacks to compensate for the loss of cash. In the end, both HT and collectors lose.

:exactly:......A large percentage of collector's use money from selling figures to buy new. Check out the Freaks sale thread. Heck certain figures going for less than retail while others at or above retail. Collector's will be more hesitant / selective buying product not knowing which will fetch "at least" a break even return. It'll hit HT were it counts eventually....

That's what i was going for, many "colectors" sell old figures to finance new figures if they can't do that, that means less new figures bought from HT, it's not there yet as HT has big value, but they are heading down that route.

If it hurts those who buy 3-4 of the same figure to capitalize on scalping the aftermarket collectors i'm all for that. :lol
 
That's what i was going for, many "colectors" sell old figures to finance new figures if they can't do that, that means less new figures bought from HT, it's not there yet as HT has big value, but they are heading down that route.

If it hurts those who buy 3-4 of the same figure to capitalize on scalping the aftermarket collectors i'm all for that. :lol

if those collectors cant sell old figures and dont buy in hordes, to sell to finance new purchases doesnt mean hot toys cant release more products, if buyers are there to buy from scalpers, they will be more than ready to pay the market price if available at retailers , hot toys win,scalpers lose
 
That's what i was going for, many "colectors" sell old figures to finance new figures if they can't do that, that means less new figures bought from HT, it's not there yet as HT has big value, but they are heading down that route.

If it hurts those who buy 3-4 of the same figure to capitalize on scalping the aftermarket collectors i'm all for that. :lol

The problem is, it won't. Who it'll hurt most are those who give up prized possessions that have lost their luster over time in favor of the grails. An example would be someone finally getting rid of an OC Batman hoping to get enough to purchase their '89 Batman and Joker dream figures. They're not scalpers or flippers and arguably just as hardcore as anybody else who collects. In the end HT's hurting them more than those who flip for money, and in the long run, naively hurting themselves.
 
The problem is, it won't. Who it'll hurt most are those who give up prized possessions that have lost their luster over time in favor of the grails. An example would be someone finally getting rid of an OC Batman hoping to get enough to purchase their '89 Batman and Joker dream figures. They're not scalpers or flippers and arguably just as hardcore as anybody else who collects. In the end HT's hurting them more than those who flip for money, and in the long run, naively hurting themselves.

At times I wonder are people making that distinction when they celebrate the rereleases because it will 'screw the scalpers'. I don't buy anything with the intention of reselling it. However in the last year or so I forced myself into a position of needing to sell things. Bad timing though because about a week after I decided to sell my extra OC Batman for $450 I think, which was considered by many at the time 'a great price' HT showed the new one. I still have that figure, it just aint selling. And yes all the money I made on it would have gone right back on Hot Toys. Same is true of anything I'm trying to sell.
 
At times I wonder are people making that distinction when they celebrate the rereleases because it will 'screw the scalpers'. I don't buy anything with the intention of reselling it. However in the last year or so I forced myself into a position of needing to sell things. Bad timing though because about a week after I decided to sell my extra OC Batman for $450 I think, which was considered by many at the time 'a great price' HT showed the new one. I still have that figure, it just aint selling. And yes all the money I made on it would have gone right back on Hot Toys. Same is true of anything I'm trying to sell.

Nope. As we've seen, it's just selfish, closeminded bull____. They can't see past their feeble desires to own something long out of reach for them, are too impatient to understand the concept of saving up to buy something and have little concern for anybody but themselves. Therefore anybody not seeing their POV is instantly labeled a "scalper," "flipper," etc. :monkey1

From an industry standpoint, period, this was a ____-poor decision by HT. Everybody loses.
 
so i guess these guys are the true collectors then
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Whenever I see a variant like Milk War Machine all I can think of is Speckled Gun Commando Spawn. That can't be a good thing.
 
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