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Re: New forum rule

Cool.

I know there have been a lot of worried people who love making, seeing and purchasing customs, myself included. I just wanted to thank you Dave for being level headed about appeasing license holding companies & artists while still keeping this a customizer friendly place. It's a tricky balancing act and after reading through the new rule and your posts I think you've done a good job. :duff Of course, it remains to be seen how this all plays out in the coming months, so I still reserve the right to burn you in effigy. :monkey1 :lol
 
Just wondering if you could clear up what I asked before Dave as I'm still a wee bit confused.


The way this is worded causes me to have to ask a question;

If the OP had already contacted the sculptor and they had said 'if there is enough interest I'll do it', much akin to what Z does, is this acceptable?

I only ask as it's a different situation to what you're specified Dave.
 
Reinhardt makes a good point about some of them not having English as a primary language. And having another board member as an administrator also makes sense, just so there is more than one person who is responsible. It also gives the artist a single person to be responsible to, so they don't have to waste time updating everyone - the project administrator does that.

i can see a potential justification regarding the language barrier.

but regarding responsibility, I don't think adding someone else is a good thing. If Chris Howes never fulfilled the project orders, were customers supposed to hold the hosts of the threads liable too?

I seriously doubt that would fly in any court.

now, if the hosts of the threads followed your recommendation and truly became a middleman for the project, then I support them creating the threads, but we know thats not how its been working, the hosts have been nothing more than a street team for the sculptors.
 
The way this is worded causes me to have to ask a question;

If the OP had already contacted the sculptor and they had said 'if there is enough interest I'll do it', much akin to what Z does, is this acceptable?

I only ask as it's a different situation to what you're specified Dave.

I think the "enough interest" needs to be quantified and worked out between the original poster and the sculptor. The sculptor would need to tell the OP -"yes, if 10 people sign on at $35 a head then I'll do it."

I think the way Z handles it is a decent model, with only collecting money when the sculpt is less than a couple of weeks out. If that's how it's being handled then I think it would be okay.
 
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I'm working on a custom naked statue I'm calling David the Administrator to sell here. I think that'll change his mind. :lol
 
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So a customiser, purelly selling head sculpts they have made from scratch, of a character / person who hasnt yet been made by a company, is ok? or not? I'm thinking of susalas daniel craig headsculpt.

Excuse me if im missing the point - ive only gone through the thread once, it may take a few more goes before it sinks in! :lol plus its late!

cheers
 
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You're obviously not familar with Z's method. He doesn't take any money until he is actually ready to sculpt. When he is ready to sculpt he takes a $9 deposit. From this point he has an official 3-4 week turnaround but EVERY sculpt has been 2 weeks for a prototype with a third week to polish it. Once the final sculpt is published he gets the remainder of the payment. So in your example you would have a bunch of people on a wishlist who have not forked out any money.

LOL. I am familar with his method since I have signed up for his Westen group commission and have paid my deposit already. Then again, who is to say that in the future, he somewhow becomes overworked after acceptin the 9 dollars deposit from everyone?

Things change and s*it happens. Honestly, we don't know any sculptor here personally and sometimes he/she may stumble in personal problems which he/she may not be able to finish his/her sculpt. True, Z accepts money after he finishes, but what if something happens after he accepts it?

So far, his way of doing things is professional but seeing how they are a bunch of other people making up interest threads and adding his name on it, it can get out of control. If I am not mistaken, I recall he said on the Westen thread that the Rambo and some other interest thread put him as the sculptor even though he hasn't completely agree to it.

Although this hasn't happened yet, it can be very easy for some fradulant poster to make up a fake interest thread and list a sculptor just to get some quick cash.

I understand your frustrations since I think you believe that this new rule will stop commissions completely. However, the new ruile will simply curve the out of hand interest threads. You can still ask your favorite sculptor for a piece, but now it is done through PMs.

This is done to give you the commissioners more power on how to handle the project as well as not getting Darklord Dave into the mix. So if something happens in the future between the sculptor and the guys commissionin the project, commissiors have to handle it. This also means that you guys and not the sculptors make up the rules. Therefore, if you don't like the pay in full up front nonsense (howes), then you can change it. If your sculptor does not like it, find another sculptor.

In the long run, there will be less interest threads but there will still be new unofficial headsculpts. Just that, it won't be a lot of those wish ones where the thread poster makes up a topic of what he would like to see, the somehow commissions, eventually having the creation of said head. However, topic poster either backs out or doesn't help in commissionin of sculpt and instead, makes a new topic for a different head.

Also, some people are afraid the Chris Howes issue will happen again. Z isn't Howes. I realize there is a pattern on this forum where there will be an "star" sculptor here for a couple of months; before Howes, there was some other sculptor who ppl kept making commission threads about. Once he/she fudges up, another sculptor becomes the new attraction

In regards to the Howes incident, a lot of us on this forum is just enabling this so-called train wreck to happen again and again. I mean not sayin that Z will be next, but it is very easy for another sculptor to show up, show his "stuff" and then not sculpt anything after accepting money like Howes. The new rule will try to prevent us from making any new artist into the next Howes or the next Andgor.
 
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So for example, any of Zuno's threads regarding figure commissions, Serang's commissions, z(numbers)'s head sculpt commissions, etc, are not allowed?? Can they be done via PM?What about custom headpaint or full figure commissions? Can we still solicit the likes of Rismo, smallstudios, and elvis1976 (to name a very very very small selection) to have our heads painted and figures commissioned?

This is huge. I'd say more than 50% of my time on this board is relating to commissions of some sort or another.
If thats going to be the case, then we're going to need to up the limit on PM's to infinite. Why? Because more posting will be going on there than on the forums.
Commissioning an original piece for a property that has no licensors? I don't think that would be an issue.

I'd say that over 5 would be considered mass produced.

Also discussion of 1/6th items like The Screaming or the Loading Toyz items are also allowed. Since the producers are not here soliciting their products it falls under a different category.
Considering most 1:6 sculpts take at least 10 to get it rolling, I don't see how that would be all that fair.
THANK YOU, DAVE....FINALLY !!!!Awesome Initiative. :bow:bow:bow I say Good Ridance !!!!Too much illegal stuff was going on there and con artists were running Amok in the custom section.


All Hail The Dark Lord.


The board will be a better place !!!

Shai, I've always liked you and most always agreed with you, but right now, well, do you remember that pic? you know, the one you showed dave that put you on vacation for a bit? :naughty

I guess I can almost understand Dave's position. I don't agree with it. Especially the passing along contacts to SS. Hell, if they produced HALF of what was asked for a good deal of these customs wouldn't be necessary.
 
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In regards to the Howes incident, a lot of us on this forum is just enabling this so-called train wreck to happen again and again. I mean not sayin that Z will be next, but it is very easy for another sculptor to show up, show his "stuff" and then not sculpt anything after accepting money like Howes. The new rule will try to prevent us from making any new artist into the next Howes or the next Andgor.

This is why I don't think sculptors need someone to "represent" them by creating threads on their behalf.

If sculptors need inspiration in the form of a list, maybe a mod or someone can maintain a single dedicated "wish list" thread that tracks who/how many people are interested in certain characters and an interested sculptor can simply visit the list and choose one of the indemand characters and start work on it. When its finished they can either announce it in their own thread or they can PM the people on that particular "wish list".

Personally, and I admit to being naive and dim, but I took all the people supporting Howes and creating threads on his behalf as some sort of vouching for his work and commitment. Duh. If 6 other people on the board were creating threads for him he must be deserving. :banghead
 
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So a customiser, purelly selling head sculpts they have made from scratch, of a character / person who hasnt yet been made by a company, is ok? or not? I'm thinking of susalas daniel craig headsculpt.

Excuse me if im missing the point - ive only gone through the thread once, it may take a few more goes before it sinks in! :lol plus its late!

cheers

l think it means that commissions are done through pm and if a headsculpt is almost finish and is put on sell like Susala, Serang, etc.., then that is alright.

However, one cannot open a thread asking for a sculptor to sculpt you something and then make a public liist asking for signupz. You can however, create a discussion about a sculptor agreein to sculpt you something and in the case of Z, wondering if nine other guys want to get the ball rollin in seein said sculpt to be made. However, additional info for the project or sign ups has to be done via pm or email.

l think the daniel bond hs are okay. I thought the licening thing was about full figure statues like the bootleg marvel ones rather than 1/6 heads. If that is the case, l don't think it affects hs.
 
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This is why I don't think sculptors need someone to "represent" them by creating threads on their behalf.

If sculptors need inspiration in the form of a list, maybe a mod or someone can maintain a single dedicated "wish list" thread that tracks who/how many people are interested in certain characters and an interested sculptor can simply visit the list and choose one of the indemand characters and start work on it. When its finished they can either announce it in their own thread or they can PM the people on that particular "wish list".

I agree.

I think some does commission simply to find the best way to make money. I mean if sculptor 123 does someone like the Joker, he/she may have the assumption it may not sell simply because HT has done official hs of the guy. However, if sculptor 123 is charged via commission for something that isn't officially created, it ensures this sculptor that the item will sell. I think commissions are done just to ensure that money will be earned on the work, regardless whether or not the sculptor wanted to make it for her or his personal collection.

I know that there is one sculptor on this board who creates things simply on wishlists and doesn't charges commission. However he stated that doing so sometimes doesn't ensure that enough people will purchase a certain headsculpts. If I remember, he states that he somtimes loses money in material cost but at the long run prefers this method over chargin commissions.
 
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I hope this wasn't directed towards me? I was merely asking a question in a way plenty of others have in this thread.

Why would it be directed at you..You're not the one i've quoted.
 
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l think it means that commissions are done through pm and if a headsculpt is almost finish and is put on sell like Susala, Serang, etc.., then that is alright.

However, one cannot open a thread asking for a sculptor to sculpt you something and then make a public liist asking for signupz. You can however, create a discussion about a sculptor agreein to sculpt you something and in the case of Z, wondering if nine other guys want to get the ball rollin in seein said sculpt to be made. However, additional info for the project or sign ups has to be done via pm or email.

l think the daniel bond hs are okay but something. I thought the licensing thing was about full figure statues like the bootleg marvel ones. If that is the case, l don't think it affects hs.

yes, that is correct.
 
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LOL. I am familar with his method since I have signed up for his Westen group commission and have paid my deposit already. Then again, who is to say that in the future, he somewhow becomes overworked after acceptin the 9 dollars deposit from everyone?

Who's to say the earth won't be hit by a comet tomorrow ? Why are you wasting time here talking about custom figures when you should be building your escape ship ?

And seriously if $9 is going to cause you great financial hardship I suggest you find a new hobby.
 
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Who's to say the earth won't be hit by a comet tomorrow ? Why are you wasting time here talking about custom figures when you should be building your escape ship ?

And seriously if $9 is going to cause you great financial hardship I suggest you find a new hobby.

$35 isn't a great financial hardship either, but there seem to be a lot of people upset at Mr. Howes for keeping their 35 bucks.
 
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Who's to say the earth won't be hit by a comet tomorrow ? Why are you wasting time here talking about custom figures when you should be building your escape ship ?

And seriously if $9 is going to cause you great financial hardship I suggest you find a new hobby.

You seem so defensive over this rule. l didn't say $9 will cause me finanical hardship, so please don't take your fustrations on me.

Some ppl are stingy with money and as Darklord, some folks were angry at Howes for losing 35 bucks.

I recall that on tni, there are some people who were mad that they have to pay 2 bucks for taxes at Mattycollector.com. Two dollars isn't a lot, but when it comes to money, people tend to be frugal especially with a poor ecnomy like today. Again, this isn't about me, but of what I have seen.

lf you don't like the new set of rules, then l suggest you do something about it rather than complain about it. Problems of group commissions have been common on this board even year before l have registered here. There is a reason why it was made and it isn't to punish folks who buys stuff from Z. lt is to stop this forum from being nothing more than a place to make commissions and to try to prevent guys from getting their money taken.

l mean, for starters, one can host or create a discussion board outside of the freaks section that caters to people lookin for group commissions. That is, if you don't prefer the new pm only feature. l mean, Z has a website and has a stable fanbase. imo, it be more logical for Z to have a forum there to overlook group projects as oppose to have it somewhere else. Some people who translates japanese adult content into english has their own forums to do commissions, so l don't see a big deal in having the commissions done at the person's actual site. lt makes more sense, imo

If you are concern that the commissions won't be filled, you can always start a dicussion here and ask ppl to pm you for the url of the location of the commission group project.

Once the comissions if done and the sculptor has extra heads, you can announce it here.

From what l have seen, a lot of forums do not like handling trades/sales sect is because of the burden of trying to work things out when ppl start complain that they have been deceived.

l am sure Darklord received a hundred emails about Howes ripping her or him off back in June, expecting for it to be dealt with.

I honestly, do not see what is the problem with the new rules since it doesn't really prevent you from buying stuff from Z, but rather, it tries to stop all those interest threads that the original thread maker has no intention to back up.

You can still commission stuff from Z, but it will mostly be done through Pms.
 
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