How the new rule impacts this forum.

[Mooncat]

Re: New forum rule

With the customs section going 'underground' via PM, how will 'problem posts with artists' be treated ??

For example an artist decides to go the C.Howes route,

Posts a paint job or sculpt, gets a few 'can you do me one' PM's

starts taking monies via PM

or has already taken monies (an already established SSF artist who has already taken monies and already posted a backlog)

and they all of a sudden dont reply to certain PM's

Like C.Howes they reply to new money PM's just not PM's from customers asking for refunds or product

The only way to get the word out will be on a thread in here !

Advertise the problem and cut the 'underground' money making PM's off

Will those posts, all be it big witch hunts, be allowed ?? as they are necassary to get monies or product and stop even bigger scams happening ?

 

[LordAzrael]

Re: New forum rule

I'm working on a custom naked statue I'm calling David the Administrator to sell here. I think that'll change his mind.

Can you make it a Tonner style doll with exclusive voodoo pins ?

 

[galactiboy]

Re: New forum rule

Missed this thread until just now... earlier I was confused looking for the "custom commission" thread.

Overall I think the rules make a lot of sense and shouldn't impact many too much, but will greatly help to reduce the risk for both customizers and customers.

 

[Agent47]

Re: New forum rule

Ah crap, I purchased only 1 custom Marvel 1/4 scale piece, can I buy 2 more before the rule goes into effect.....

Man, I even have to change my Avatar and Signature now

Only joking.

Sideshow Freaks Forum and Sideshow the company come first above all else therefore I will abide by the rules of the board.

Dave, my personal 3 threads have pictures of my one custom Marvel piece, let me know what you want done, I'll gladly remove the pics if need be.

Thank you

Joe out

As long as the thread isn't about those pieces it's okay.

A little confused about this exchange. So if I make an awesome 1/6th custom Red Skull (like the one in my avatar) I can't start a thread entitled "Custom Red Skull" and show it off to my fellow customizers?

 

[Doom Saber]

Re: New forum rule

A little confused about this exchange. So if I make an awesome 1/6th custom Red Skull (like the one in my avatar) I can't start a thread entitled "Custom Red Skull" and show it off to my fellow customizers?

l think it is perfectly fine as long as you don't intend to show it off to mass produce your customs. The bootleg rule only affects statues and full figs (for the purpose to sell off) if l have read correctly. Headsculpts and customs that are of your own collection is okay

I know it sounds confusing but the new rule prevents ppl from posting pics of full figures or statues with the purpose of selling. One can still post images of his or her customs though l am not sure if you can post pics of bootleg statues even if you are not going to sell it.

 

[Ironman1188]

Re: New forum rule

A little confused about this exchange. So if I make an awesome 1/6th custom Red Skull (like the one in my avatar) I can't start a thread entitled "Custom Red Skull" and show it off to my fellow customizers?

I think you can show it, you just can't sell it. I think?

I also don't see how folks are saying this won't impact the customizer or the commissioner of a sculpt? Do it thru PM's? we all know that getting a sculpt off the ground often depends on getting others to join in on the cost of it. I've seen it dozens/hundreds of times and been part of it often. I don't recall a problem with any of them until howes fiascos. It would be almost impossible to organize a sculpt commission without a thread and trying it solely thru PM. Sure, you might be able to get a sculptor to say "ok" and that he'd be interested in doing it, but how do you get others involved? PM everyone on the board? And dave said he considered mass producing to be 5 or more. we all know it usually take at least twice that to get a sculpt off the ground. This will be great for a guy like Spenser who makes what he wants, does great work and usually seems to be right on the pulse of what's wanted, but what about the guy out there who wants a Cas from Supernatural? Its a licensed entity. How does a commission begin? Mass email?
I don't know, it seems a bit extreme to me. And it seems to have been pushed into existence by the howes debacle and Sideshow's not liking that custom stuff here was better than what they were putting out.

 

[galactiboy]

I think the "enough interest" needs to be quantified and worked out between the original poster and the sculptor. The sculptor would need to tell the OP -"yes, if 10 people sign on at $35 a head then I'll do it."

I think the way Z handles it is a decent model, with only collecting money when the sculpt is less than a couple of weeks out. If that's how it's being handled then I think it would be okay.

I agree, I think if a commission is going to be started... its necessary for the originator of the thread to have already gotten it cleared from the prospective sculptor. Then once X are signed on deposits are taken so the project can start.

Z's model seems to protect all parties. Z has some money (covers material and some time, and he knows the interest is there) and customers can secure a sculpt, but not pay larger sums up front and have a product in a relatively short amount of time after paying.

 

[Anzik]

Re: New forum rule

I'm not overly concerned about this. I believe the free market will adapt to solve this dilemma like it has countless others before it.
Custom artists might redirect to individual websites, or maybe make a dedicated face book customs and sales page.

 

[Mooncat]

Re: New forum rule

I think you can show it, you just can't sell it. I think?

I also don't see how folks are saying this won't impact the customizer or the commissioner of a sculpt? Do it thru PM's? we all know that getting a sculpt off the ground often depends on getting others to join in on the cost of it. I've seen it dozens/hundreds of times and been part of it often. I don't recall a problem with any of them until howes fiascos. It would be almost impossible to organize a sculpt commission without a thread and trying it solely thru PM. Sure, you might be able to get a sculptor to say "ok" and that he'd be interested in doing it, but how do you get others involved? PM everyone on the board? And dave said he considered mass producing to be 5 or more. we all know it usually take at least twice that to get a sculpt off the ground. This will be great for a guy like Spenser who makes what he wants, does great work and usually seems to be right on the pulse of what's wanted, but what about the guy out there who wants a Cas from Supernatural? Its a licensed entity. How does a commission begin? Mass email?
I don't know, it seems a bit extreme to me. And it seems to have been pushed into existence by the howes debacle and Sideshow's not liking that custom stuff here was better than what they were putting out.

Have to agree if calls for interest in a proposed sculpt are banned then that pretty much puts the last nail in the coffin for custom sculpt commisions

 

[Anzik]

Re: New forum rule

I don't think it puts a nail in the coffin of custom head sculpt lists, only the coffin of the 'old way'.
To me, there are several problems here:
First and foremost is that Dave, out of the goodness of his heart (dark, and evil, but heart nonetheless) has made this site and the anger and pissiness that engulfed the commission section was really acting like a cancer.
2) "Customers" not following through on a promise to pay. How many people signed on to a commission and failed to follow through?
3) People getting upset by the turnover speed; ie: I paid then and received it here.
4) Custom artists that think within 2 years is acceptable (that was hyperbole).

So what I see is a sculptor needs to see sufficient interest in a potential project, but more importantly interest by those who would follow through.
We have out own page on our profile and also our itrader profile. We can easily add info on what commission we have participated in, sort of like a feedback list for artists to see if we will likely follow through our part.
At the same time, artists can use their profile to list commission work they have done and maybe a list of customers, although the itrader will probably automatically do this.

Very important is that the artist needs to lay out time estimates and a schedule of updates, like you will be updated every two weeks, or once per month, even if to say "my wife went into labor and haven't worked on it, or "I have been drunk for the last month but hope to be sober enough tomorrow".

I would like to ask Dave though, if for example an artist has accepted a group commission via pm and its been 6 months, are the members free to start the torch and pitchfork "have you heard from ______ ______ about this project?"

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

As I said - I'm open to suggestions - we don't want to drive custom projects away - this site has become a center of 1/6th activity, and I don't want that to change or feel like it has to go elsewhere.

 

[Ironman1188]

Re: New forum rule

As I said - I'm open to suggestions - we don't want to drive custom projects away - this site has become a center of 1/6th activity, and I don't want that to change or feel like it has to go elsewhere.

But, if you can't show, sell or commission them here then it doesn't leave room here for them and driven away is what they will be.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

People seem to be still completely misunderstanding the rule.

The only real change is that if you're making full figures from unlicensed properties and offering them for sale they can't be solicited on the forum.

 

[Ironman1188]

Re: New forum rule

People seem to be still completely misunderstanding the rule.

The only real change is that if you're making full figures from unlicensed properties and offering them for sale they can't be solicited on the forum.

Oh, ok, so any 1:6 sculpt can still be shown, sold amd/or commissioned?

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

Oh, ok, so any 1:6 sculpt can still be shown, sold amd/or commissioned?

As long as a full figure is not made in mass quantity.

 

[Ironman1188]

Re: New forum rule

So, just clarify for me please, the 1:6 Trek uniform and accessory (and some sculpts) thread should be ok?

 

[Anzik]

Re: New forum rule

I infer from this that if you send a head and a costume or costume parts you should be fine.

 

[Ironman1188]

Re: New forum rule

I infer from this that if you send a head and a costume or costume parts you should be fine.

Then, all this hoopla over new rules and deleting links to other forums could have just been avoided by banning howes and contacting the other customizers, via PM, and telling guys like Josh they can't sell their Myers or Jason's or whatever the case might be. Or telling whoever is involved "hey you can't sell that on the forum anymore" or "its better than what the mfr is offering, they don't like it please don't sell it here anymore, take it off board"
No one probably would have noticed the change.
If all the forum wants is for the "count" of who's in to go via PM, just adjust the PM box to unlimited and say so.

 

[krec9]

Re: New forum rule

As long as a full figure is not made in mass quantity.

so if we get a group commission for a 1/6 head its ok ? but say if its a statue from a license company its not allowed

 

[krec9]

I agree, I think if a commission is going to be started... its necessary for the originator of the thread to have already gotten it cleared from the prospective sculptor. Then once X are signed on deposits are taken so the project can start.

Z's model seems to protect all parties. Z has some money (covers material and some time, and he knows the interest is there) and customers can secure a sculpt, but not pay larger sums up front and have a product in a relatively short amount of time after paying.

thats what i did i got the permission from z first to tackle the ash evil dead project i dunno why most people open threads hey would it been cool if ....

i love these commisions its the first thing i come to on this site hope it gets straighted out soon