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Re: New forum rule

so if we get a group commission for a 1/6 head its ok ? but say if its a statue from a license company its not allowed

A statue or a complete 1/6 figure that competes with a Sideshow license.
 
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So since Sideshow no longer holds an LOTR 1:6 license (and neither does anyone else to my knowledge) than LOTR custom projects (like the Saruman) are a Go, yeah?
 
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With the customs section going 'underground' via PM, how will 'problem posts with artists' be treated ??

For example an artist decides to go the C.Howes route,

Posts a paint job or sculpt, gets a few 'can you do me one' PM's

starts taking monies via PM

or has already taken monies (an already established SSF artist who has already taken monies and already posted a backlog)

and they all of a sudden dont reply to certain PM's

Like C.Howes they reply to new money PM's just not PM's from customers asking for refunds or product

The only way to get the word out will be on a thread in here !

Advertise the problem and cut the 'underground' money making PM's off

Will those posts, all be it big witch hunts, be allowed ?? as they are necassary to get monies or product and stop even bigger scams happening ?

I don't see why that would be Dave's problem anyway. If Freak 123 makes the business deal with sculptor A, why is it Dave's responsibility to get Freak 123's money back if Sculptor A screws him over?! In all honesty, it's a personal problem. ^^^^^ing about it here would only further the incentive to ban any and all customs outright.
 
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One thing I'm thinking of is eliminating the "custom commissions" subforum. It seems that more is being posted there than just commission stuff and integrating it back into the main custom forum may be the way to go.

Comments?

I just came back from holiday and what the hell... Where are all my favorite threads?! :google :lol

I think it is quite a good idea to get the custom area back to its roots. Usually this area is ment to show and not to buy something. Nevertheless commissions are big fun although something went wrong I wont totally ban them from the boards.

At the moment we have one big custom area. How about splitting it a little in topics? I honestly dont care about the newest information on most of the headsculpts but love to see the newest works of SmallStudios, DarkArtis and FigureMasterLes. So how about devding the custom section in 3 to 4 parts:

1) Paint (post your paintjobs here eg the 3 artists mentioned above)
2) sculpt (post your sculpts here eg this would be the place where we find Z, Spenser, averone, Nicks Ghostbusters patron packs; this could also be the place for threads like "Spenser's head sculpt page")
3) Full Customs (for great threads such as Elvis, SouvereignStudio, IForginos Nurse Joker etc)
4) others ( a section for other stuff is always great! I dont have an example now but hey its other stuff than the one mentioned above :) )

Maybe Others could be the place for commissions/group interest threads. I would love to see them return maybe in a different way. At least there should be given the chance that one guy would be able to ask the community if there is any interest in an particular item. All the contact could be done via email but at least the interest thread would be great.

Question:

I have looked forward to this project quite a long time now: movie accurate 1/6 Joker socks I was looking all over the f*in internet for a guy who could print me the proper cloth just to learn that he is based only 20 kms away from me. :lol So I would love to do them BUT I need to let the cloth print before I can sell any of these. The more would be interested the cheaper the socks will be and I know there is plenty of interest. How can I offer the project to the community? I cannot say any prize now as it depends all on the interest so I really cannot work this out now without opening a WIP interest thread... I dont want to promote this project now (PLEASE NO ONE SEND ME A PM NOW! :lol) but I am really not sure what I am allowed to post now... :duh
 
Well, I bought a Joker head from Les back in August of last year and it took 6 months to actually receive the head. I was getting impatient, and I was wondering why it would take so long and have to pay in advance.

That's part of the problem. I don't think waiting 6 months is unreasonable when you consider just how many repaints he was doing among the several other projects. If he was banging them out in an hour, likely people would be complaining about the subpar repaints vs waiting a reasonable amount of time for quality work. To date, with the exception of one impatient douche who's since been banned, I have yet to see anyone complaining about the finished product.

I think the "enough interest" needs to be quantified and worked out between the original poster and the sculptor. The sculptor would need to tell the OP -"yes, if 10 people sign on at $35 a head then I'll do it."

I don't see how that couldn't be done via PM and then interested parties gathered in a thread something like, "Any ideas how to make a custom so-and-so?" It'd hands down be better than all the "do you wish so-and-so would sculpt" threads polluting several forums.
 
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So, NOTHING has changed. Sideshow is dropping 1:6 all but completely. They only have what? Star Wars and the overpriced GI Joe lines?

I would imagine that includes Star Wars, Indiana Jones, The Dead (but any custom non-recast zombie is irrelevant to the rule :lol), G.I. Joe and anything they're the importer/distributor of, like Medicom's almost 1/6 lines, HotToys, AmokTime, etc.... though while Sideshow was used in Dave's example, I'm willing to bet that the same goes for any company's licensed 1/6 lines.
 
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I'd be able to agree with that up to the point of items that they just distribute. Medicom, HT, the Amok Time licenses and all the old SS ones do a pretty good job off covering what 1:6 customs are wanted or done.
This forum began with a strong base of 1:6 collectors. Over the years that 1:6 base has gotten more and more ignored. Lines being left incomplete, figures being poorly done, etc, ...
Now, the 1:6 base can no longer make or want ( wait its coming) anything that Sideshow doesn't like.
This isn't a Sideshow forum, its a Sideshow fan forum, or at least thats how I thought it was supposed to work. If its answering to Sideshow, who doesn't do much 1:6 anyway, or casting out the 1:6 customizer why not side with the board member/customizer and instead of ruling out their fine work ('cept for howes) just change the name of the forum?
Unless SS is paying for the forum, then I don't see, (other than its Dave's forum and if he don't like it etc,.... ) why SS needs to be catered to. There's as much HT, Medicom, Enterbay etc as there is Sideshow here nowadays.
Hell, SS couldn't even put their latest PF in a shipping box for its customers.
I love this forum, met a LOT of great folks here, but if its the big fat pocketed company or the little guy who made this forum what it has grown to be, then I say we all side with the little guy.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else think that having two people dictate money is a bad idea? The project coordinator and/or the artist. This potentially DOUBLES the chances that something can go wrong with everyone's money.

Or am I not understanding the way this works properly?
 
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I know as far as I am concerned... I will continue to make Myers and Jasons, and whatever horror figures I want... I will sell through Horrorbid or through PMs. I'm sure others will do the same.

The snag about the licensed stuff is that customizers have done this for a long time, making figures that major companies should have been making... well, that's what we do. The companies can't hit every angle, they never do... I mean, F13th, Highlander, LOTR, Bond, the list goes on and on. So those empty spots get filled by us.

I do understand what Dave is trying to do though, and why he has to do it, and I support it... But it does signal the official end of fun customizing on the board. Full figures are our bread and butter, and they help fulfill the empty spots in the collections of so many.
 
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I'd be able to agree with that up to the point of items that they just distribute. Medicom, HT, the Amok Time licenses and all the old SS ones do a pretty good job off covering what 1:6 customs are wanted or done.
This forum began with a strong base of 1:6 collectors. Over the years that 1:6 base has gotten more and more ignored. Lines being left incomplete, figures being poorly done, etc, ...
Now, the 1:6 base can no longer make or want ( wait its coming) anything that Sideshow doesn't like.
This isn't a Sideshow forum, its a Sideshow fan forum, or at least thats how I thought it was supposed to work. If its answering to Sideshow, who doesn't do much 1:6 anyway, or casting out the 1:6 customizer why not side with the board member/customizer and instead of ruling out their fine work ('cept for howes) just change the name of the forum?
Unless SS is paying for the forum, then I don't see, (other than its Dave's forum and if he don't like it etc,.... ) why SS needs to be catered to. There's as much HT, Medicom, Enterbay etc as there is Sideshow here nowadays.
Hell, SS couldn't even put their latest PF in a shipping box for its customers.
I love this forum, met a LOT of great folks here, but if its the big fat pocketed company or the little guy who made this forum what it has grown to be, then I say we all side with the little guy.

This is kind of a Napster argument. Sure it's a "fan" forum. But Dave is the owner of the forum and could potentially be held legally responsible for what happens here via it's users. If you want to participate in illegal activities or allow them to go on, perhaps you should make your own forum. While you're at it, look up the phrase "intellectual property." Might help you to understand the issues being addressed.

As for the issue of customs or 1:6 "completions," you're not getting what Dave's been saying despite his several "lamens terms" responses. :duh
 
Is it just me or does anyone else think that having two people dictate money is a bad idea? The project coordinator and/or the artist. This potentially DOUBLES the chances that something can go wrong with everyone's money.

Or am I not understanding the way this works properly?

If someone doesn't speak English, I don't see the problem with having a middle-man/translator. Most major businesses with international accounts have these.
 
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I don't see why that would be Dave's problem anyway. If Freak 123 makes the business deal with sculptor A, why is it Dave's responsibility to get Freak 123's money back if Sculptor A screws him over?! In all honesty, it's a personal problem. ^^^^^ing about it here would only further the incentive to ban any and all customs outright.

l agree and l think that is why the new rule is pm only. So rather than botherin DAve about a transaction he has no power over, the customer has to make sure everything goes smoothly

I think one of the problems that sells and trades do not go well here is because people do not check the other person's trade record
 
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I do understand what Dave is trying to do though, and why he has to do it, and I support it... But it does signal the official end of fun customizing on the board. Full figures are our bread and butter, and they help fulfill the empty spots in the collections of so many.

No it doesn't signal the end of anything. Complete figures make up about 1% of the items offered to the community here. The rest are just pieces where the community comes together to help each other put together a figure of a beloved character. None of that needs to change.

I'm so sorry that there is so much confusion and misinformation about this new direction.
 
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AS for the sideshow license problem, I don't see it being a big issue since it only affects the 1/4 statue makers

Since I realize ppl are still confused with the rule, let me try to rephrase it for the Xth time

The new rule prohibits the mass production of customs and statues of properties that sideshow toys, as well as other companies own. I believe this rule has been created because of how SS has recently been pumpin the 1/4 comicbook line.

That means one cannot make a 1/6 joe baroness custom nor a 1/4 statue of a naked Marvel Black Cat for the intention to make a dozen to sell on this site

One can still make 1/6 figures with parts you have made or bought elsewhere, but you can really try to sell said piece publicly. If you whipped up an awsome Indy head for your custom and someone wants ya to make a duplicate of it, it is possible but through pms or email/site

Darklord Dave does not want to remove the sales of 1/6 heads especally those that are made, therefore, people like Serang and Spencer can do whatever they have been doing before by showing off their heads and directing the customers to their site for purchase

As for 1/6 commissions, those are affected as in they are now done through private messages

So if you want to commission a head, you still can but now you have to resort to email/pm for interest or sales. I believe that once the head is near finished, you can display the head here (Dave allows finished heads to be shown here) though all sales and additional info are through pm or other site.

Also, if l am not mistaken and read correctly, 1/6 customs can still be sold but they cannot be mass produced to make a profit and they should be listed on the for sale area here. If I am wrong, please correct me, DD.
 
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If someone doesn't speak English, I don't see the problem with having a middle-man/translator. Most major businesses with international accounts have these.


What does this have to do with my question though? 99% of the people here probably do speak well enough english not to need a translator. From my understanding Dave's new rule about having a "middle man" has little to do with translating.
 
What does this have to do with my question though? 99% of the people here probably do speak well enough english not to need a translator. From my understanding Dave's new rule about having a "middle man" has little to do with translating.

Plenty. A few come from overseas, where English isn't the primary language. And the reason 99.9% of the people here speak English well enough is because the sculptors/customizers that don't, have a "translator" working with them. Case in point, read krec9's post.
 
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I have some suggestions for rules for custom commissions. Obviously these are just my opinions and not intended to offend anyone and not trying to assert that my way or way of thinking is the best way or the only way. Grain of salt accordingly.

Suggested Rules
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RULE #1` - Everyone is a guest here ( other than the site owner/site admin) and no one is entitled to any form of commerce. Anything you buy or sell or trade or display for commercial purposes of any kind is a courtesy given to members as guests, it's not a right. It's not something that any member is entitled to for any reason. Any and all commerce related privileges can be revoked, removed, created or reinstated for any reason. If you have a problem with any rules put on site, clearly meant for the greater good, then go start your own commercial site or forum and you are wished the very best of luck in all your commercial endeavors. All guests/members are welcome to make suggestions, but unless you pay the light bill and bandwidth, you only have the right to be heard, not actually listened to, there's a difference.

( First thing to nip, IMHO, is any sense of entitlement. No one is owed jack. Not on site, not in life, not anywhere)

RULE #2 - Barriers to entry. Anyone wanting to sell custom commissions to SSF members, even off site, but use SSF, its features, resources and bandwidth as way to promote your commercial material will be subject to SSF rules. If you don't want to abide by this, promote your work somewhere else and best of luck to you.

Every public for sale custom artist who wants to promote their work can have one sticky thread in a dedicated subforum on the board. This is the place an artist can promote work they can actually sell. The initial post must contain the artists email and samples of their work. No discussion of prices or transaction information will be present in any public post or any PM using SSF resources. Take it to email.


( This isolates the artists and any issues with them in one area)

RULE #3 - To get a sticky post, the artist must have

A) X amount of tenure on SSF based on registration date

B) Y number of individual trade references on SSF for either trade/sale/buy

C) Z number of posts on SSF

X, Y and Z will be determined by SSF Staff. Existing approved artist will be grandfathered in.

( This ensures the artist is an active member of the community, which decreases any incentive to grab cash and run. The grandfathering ensures the minimization of lactating and complaining by folks who have done some custom work in the past)

RULE #4 - Full Transparency. Each artist will

A) List each person who has paid by user name and amount total paid, but no other information, in chronological order.

B) Be required to complete items on the list in chronological order, no "leapfrogging"

C) Each entry will have date of commission started, date of payment and date of commission completed when done.

D) Payments will only be allowed through PayPal

E) All commissions, once paid, have 40 days to completion. Buyers are encouraged to file with PayPal for non performance at day 40.

F) Whenever total commission dollar amount reach 1000 dollars, no more new commissions can be added to the list until a previous one has been completed.

G) Custom artists are expected to maintain their thread. If you don't want to do it, sell somewhere else and good luck to you.

H) Any ten individual incidents of non compliance in the thread and the thread will be locked, no more commissions can be taken and you can never promote your custom work for sale on SSF ever again.

( This achieves multiple things, IMHO. First each potential buyer has a chance to see how "stacked" the artist is. Second, the artist has incentives in place to do fast turnaround. If they can't, then don't sell it. Third, no leapfrogging saves the acrimony of people the artist really likes or hates getting their stuff first. It just creates bad blood. Fourth, artists are forced to give regular updates, preventing angry threads about wheres my stuff. Fifth, people can see if the artist has really horrible turn around times, and can avoid them accordingly. Sixth, there are money and time hardcaps, including the ability to file a PayPal claim, which removes the pure money enforcement burden away from SSF and into another service's hands. )

RULE #5 ( aka The Howes Rule) - No more proxies of any kind. No more being a middleman to facilitate a sale with third party money. No more being a "voice" to update buyers because the artist doesn't want to do it. No promotion of any artists work for them in any way.

( The problem with proxies is they can front their rep, encourage a third party to take a majority of the risk and financial hit and then later walk away and say they sent a few emails but they have no control over it.

RULE #6 - If at any point, 5 sticky threads and their artists go out of compliance, the entire section will be deleted and no more custom commission work can ever be promoted on SSF again. Forever.

( The burden of keeping a custom artist honest should be on his custom artist brothers. There is an implied self interest for artists to regulate themselves and each other. It's like the military, even if you didn't do it, it's your fault. It's your fault for being there and not stopping it. Artists are encouraged to make sure their brother artist are in compliance. No offense to any artist here, but you can't just lay all this on Howes, many of you probably by action or inaction helped to bring the rule changes onto yourselves.

My view on it. Grain of salt accordingly.

Gekko



No offense but I think it can be much simpler than all the rules and regulations you posted.
Keeping things user friendly is in the best interest of the site and running it like the military is a real turn off for everybody.

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I edited this post and added the quote because someone had some difficulties following the flow of the thread.
 
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