I Miss the 80's

[devilof76]

I know. But Misfits and Pixies weren't 90's bands. (And I really only threw Nirvana in because they were still infinitely better than most of what happened after.)

Police are a band I can see competing with SY for best of the 80's. I see them losing, but not by any fault of their own.

As much as I loved the 80's, 70's, etc i'm not sure anymore its the era I miss as much as it is that I miss being a kid...Anyone feel the same way?

Absolutely. The world was made of the things we loved. It was the era before we discovered there was more to it than that.

 

[karamazov80]

I know. But Misfits and Pixies weren't 90's bands.

This is part of my argument that the 90s are suckier than the 80s. 2 of your choices for best 90s artists were actually much better in the 1980s.

As for the Police, I would concede that Sonic Youth were more influential. But better? No chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q12EoUKb4pQ

 

[ProgMatinee]

I'm not familiar with Sonic Youth at all, but not sure they could be more influential than Van Halen or most pop rock bands such as Journey or Bon Jovi. Maybe I jumped in the conversation midway? Catching a few tunes on youtube I can see they were innovative, but most influential?

 

[Kabukiman]

I'm not familiar with Sonic Youth at all, but not sure they could be more influential than Van Halen or most pop rock bands such as Journey or Bon Jovi.

 

[devilof76]

When I say influential, I mean the band who set the standards of what it is to be cool. Looking at the non-pop/hiphop side of music after 2000, all I see is SY wannabes. I dont see a lot of sequined spandex and chesthair. Maybe I'm missing something.

As for SY vs. the Police, Sting was an amazing songwriter, and clearly more accessible, but if you ever sat down and analyzed SY's 'noise', you'd see natural orders on par with crystal formations in Mexican caves. It's mindblowing what they were able to create without sounding like there was a creator involved. Chaos theory for electric guitar.

As for the 90's vs. the 80's, you'll get no argument from me. The 80's were better. The 70's were better still.

 

[karamazov80]

As for SY vs. the Police, Sting was an amazing songwriter, and clearly more accessible, but if you ever sat down and analyzed SY's 'noise', you'd see natural orders on par with crystal formations in Mexican caves. It's mindblowing what they were able to create without sounding like there was a creator involved. Chaos theory for electric guitar.

You might enjoy this album, then, if you aren't familiar with it:

https://www.amazon.com/Zero-Tolerance-Silence-Pat-Metheny/dp/B000008BQO

Thelonious Monk is something that wasn't originally accessible to me, but I eventually did "get it" and now he's one of my favorite jazz pianists of all. And it is similar to what you describe--it seems random and noisy at first, but there is a logic to the music that is very beautiful once the flip switches in your brain.

I tried with Sonic Youth, and though that never happened for me I can definitely relate to the experience you are referring to.

And my definition of "influential" is just influencing other musicians.

 

[ProgMatinee]

As for SY vs. the Police, Sting was an amazing songwriter, and clearly more accessible, but if you ever sat down and analyzed SY's 'noise', you'd see natural orders on par with crystal formations in Mexican caves. It's mindblowing what they were able to create without sounding like there was a creator involved. Chaos theory for electric guitar.

Thats what I'm getting at. By nature, something inaccessible, complex and takes time to respect aren't going to win the "most influential" competition. It didn't reach enough people to win.

Its likely to be VERY influential to the minority that heard it, however.

I wish it did influence more bands though. As I said, not familiar with Sonic Youth, but listening to that Red Fern Grows song reminds me of this which was probably influenced heavily. Unfortunately these bands are few and far between.


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[devilof76]

Thelonious Monk is something that wasn't originally accessible to me, but I eventually did "get it" and now he's one of my favorite jazz pianists of all. And it is similar to what you describe--it seems random and noisy at first, but there is a logic to the music that is very beautiful once the flip switches in your brain.

Love Monk.

I've listened to some Methany, but can't remember it well. I'll check him out.

I tried with Sonic Youth, and though that never happened for me I can definitely relate to the experience you are referring to.

And my definition of "influential" is just influencing other musicians.

That is what I'm getting at. I don't know if there would ever have been a Radiohead if it weren't for Sonic Youth. (Just an example.)

Thats what I'm getting at. By nature, something inaccessible, complex and takes time to respect aren't going to win the "most influential" competition. It didn't reach enough people to win.

Its likely to be VERY influential to the minority that heard it, however.

But they've been around since 1982. And they're still producing music.

I wish it did influence more bands though. As I said, not familiar with Sonic Youth, but listening to that Red Fern Grows song reminds me of this which was probably influenced heavily. Unfortunately these bands are few and far between.


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I gave up on new music a long time ago, so my literacy is weak, but is this really so fringe? Damn. Because it's awesome.

I think Sonic Youth just changed the parameters of what is possible in pop music, and I see it in little ways all through what I hear (radio, Disney channel, etc.). I'd probably need a degree in musicology to back myself up, but my gut says that they're one of the main techtonic plates causing today's surface rumblings.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I don't come around new music very often myself, but I think its uncommon to find great music that pushes itself.

 

[devilof76]

By the 90's, they had become much more accessible. Don't know why I didn't mention that earlier. Their influence makes a lot more sense when you listen to this, compared to the early days.

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[The Ween]

probably. I do think the 90s was the worst decade for music. I think I'd rather listen to 50s stuff than 90s.

Personally I think most of the music that's out now is the worst, and I like just about everything.

I liked quite a few bands who put out music in the 90s.....Pearl Jam, Live, Lenny Kravitz, REM, Live, Soundgarden, Oasis, Green Day.....

Metallica put out their black album then too.

BUT......who could forget this song....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjkhprxoYu4

Or the original:

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[devilof76]

The 90's had a lot of great dance music, especially in the latter half. It was a lot like the 70's in that regard.

The only problem with is that, the better the dance music tends to be, the crappier the rock n roll.

 

[The Ween]

The 90's had a lot of great dance music, especially in the latter half. It was a lot like the 70's in that regard.

The only problem with is that, the better the dance music tends to be, the crappier the rock n roll.

That is so true.

 

[OSCORP]

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[karamazov80]

I don't know if I already said this in this thread, but I recently got a new car with satellite radio, and the only two stations I really listen to are the 80s channel and "First Wave," which is a new wave station that seems to play a Cure and Smiths/Morrissey song about once every hour (Depeche Mode and the Thompson Twins also get a lot of play there).

I love it, and am getting exposed to some obscure stuff that I've never heard before. I recommend you check it out if you are into 80s stuff. Only drawback for me is that I almost never listen to NPR anymore because of it.

So, I'm less knowledgeable, but happier when I drive

 

[OSCORP]

"First Wave"

Sounds like GTA radio station

 

[OSCORP]

As a boy in the 80's my dad and i were watching MTV (when they played music videos ALL THE TIME)

When this came on i remember him saying.

"What the hell is that?" WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? My mother, "that's a man"(me laughing) "No it's not!" "What is that?"

"Jason, if you ever grow up to look like that i'll disown you."



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[karamazov80]

A lot of my fond childhood memories are watching MTV with my older brother. Greg Kihn Band's Jeopardy gave me nightmares.

I really did think Boy George was a woman as a child, which confused me when he sang "I'm a man" in that song. I chalked it up, in the way a child might, to him trying to make a joke. And in a way, maybe he was?

 

[OSCORP]

Yeah he was kinda hard to decipher i suppose. I knew he was a man cause of my mother.

/good times.


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[steve74]

I do miss the 80's

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