Independence Day sequels

[JAWS]

Holy ****, stay away from this piece of ****!

I am going to predict that I agree with Jye

My feeling about the first film are the same as they have always been... One or two good money shots wrapped up in a load of dog ****.

I hated all the out of place / unfunny humor. All of the bad characters and their one note personality like Will Smith being his most Will Smithy... Harry Conick jr as Goose, Harvey Fierstein as loud obnoxious gay guy , Randy Quaid as cousin Eddy but not funny, Judd Hirsch as Super Jew guy, etc..... Blah just such bad writing... Every Joke fell flat. So if the new movie has the same kind of awful humor and characters then I am in for a long 2+ hours.

Goldblum and Pullman were about the only characters I enjoyed in that one.

Basically if this is a typical Emmerich film I am sure I will have trouble enjoying it.

 

[Khev]

I am going to predict that I agree with Jye

My feeling about the first film are the same as they have always been... One or two good money shots wrapped up in a load of dog ****.

I hated all the out of place / unfunny humor. All of the bad characters and their one note personality like Will Smith being his most Will Smithy... Harry Conick jr as Goose, Harvey Fierstein as loud obnoxious gay guy , Randy Quaid as cousin Eddy but not funny, Judd Hirsch as Super Jew guy, etc..... Blah just such bad writing... Every Joke fell flat. So if the new movie has the same kind of awful humor and characters then I am in for a long 2+ hours.

Goldblum and Pullman were about the only characters I enjoyed in that one.

Basically if this is a typical Emmerich film I am sure I will have trouble enjoying it.

You're correct in your assessment of the first film. Luckily all those idiots died prior to this one (including Smith.) Except Hirsch. But he's funny in this one.

 

[jye4ever]

jye!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Weenster I champion the 1st one, it was the perfect movie for 1996.

But this one was just an absolute disaster.

Hmm, so, if a film gets so totally ridiculous enough, that very ridiculousness becomes invisible to Khev - making it appear better than a previous less ridiculous film *strokes chin*

This was baddd. And I usually love every summer blockbuster I see. It was all over the place with unnecessary plot lines and characters. There is no nostalgia for the first one here. There is no spectacle, at all. No heart like the first had. Stay away.

This 100%!

1st one had natural heart and charm.

They had to force the heart and charm into this one but I was not fooled.

Team Jye-dev, lets go!!

Don't listen to jye! The new Independence Day is right up there with ESB, FOTR, Sucker Punch, etc.

 

[jye4ever]

I am going to predict that I agree with Jye

My feeling about the first film are the same as they have always been... One or two good money shots wrapped up in a load of dog ****.

I hated all the out of place / unfunny humor. All of the bad characters and their one note personality like Will Smith being his most Will Smithy... Harry Conick jr as Goose, Harvey Fierstein as loud obnoxious gay guy , Randy Quaid as cousin Eddy but not funny, Judd Hirsch as Super Jew guy, etc..... Blah just such bad writing... Every Joke fell flat. So if the new movie has the same kind of awful humor and characters then I am in for a long 2+ hours.

Goldblum and Pullman were about the only characters I enjoyed in that one.

Basically if this is a typical Emmerich film I am sure I will have trouble enjoying it.

I'm ok with the 1st one, it was the perfect movie for the year it was released.

That kind of destruction hadn't been done before.

It had cool alien ships blowing **** up and it had a heart.

But this one, omg if you hated the first I can predict that you will have a hard time not walking out of this one.

The only way this one can have a heart will be like this:

 

[rjszar]

If you have to see this movie, see it as cheaply as possible. Don't spring for Imax 3d. Entertaining is about the best you can say about this.

 

[a-dev]

I don't know how you can even say (or type) that with a straight face. In the first film Will Smith magically knows how to fly an advanced alien spacecraft because "I've seen how they maneuver." Um, okay, I watched the Blue Angels at an air show once so now I guess I can pilot an F-18.

It helped that he was a pilot. Presumably there are at least some unchanging fundamentals involved that he could draw upon.

In the new one the humans tested out the new tech for 20 years, sometimes with fatal results. Much more believable.

If that happens in the first film the aliens win, film over.

In the original the aliens wiped out tens of millions of humans and then, when Will Smith doesn't even know if his *wife and kid* survived the devastation inflicted on *his own city* he's immediately joking around with Harry Connick Jr ("hold me") in the briefing room prior to the first counter attack and then goes up and delivers one-liners left and right ("oh you did NOT shoot that green **** at me") like it was a ****ing MIB or Wild Wild West movie. This was a film that had marketed itself and then even presented itself for the first 30 minutes as what a "real" alien invasion might look like. But everything just turned silly and was crap.

Now hold on a second. This second film is full of implausibly quick recoveries from what should have been intense emotional trauma. Did you see what happens to the planet in this one? Wait, no, I can understand if you failed to notice the devastation because in fairness none of the characters in the movie seemed to notice it either - ''they like to get the landmarks LOL'' *millions dying in horror below* - This is all in stark contrast to the post-attack scenes aboard Air Force One in the first movie, death of the First Lady and then the sense of disbelief and hopelessness when the nuke fails to do any apparent damage to the alien ship.

Also, what was Hemsworth's character if not an attempt to emulate the Will Smith role?

In the new movie the pilots seemed to really carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. And because everyone lost someone either in the first invasion or the sequel they carried that bittersweet vibe throughout.

Can't say I agree.

And then with regard to the aliens tactics I loved that they:

Spoiler

analyzed their first defeat and as their first order of business when they came back they lured bombers into their mothership so they could blast them with an EMP and then have drones coat the bombers in shields so that the humans couldn't set off nukes inside anymore. Second order of business was to send a strike team to eliminate the American president so that the world wouldn't be emboldened by any iconic speeches from that particular office.

No particular feelings about that. I did like that one of the ships from the first movie actually landed and there was presumably a ground invasion force that had to be dealt with there.

 

[The Ween]

I would never say that this one is better than the first, but I just don't understand how some who liked the first one can call this total ****.

Also, from what I understand, this was suppose to be longer but Fox wanted it cut down, so maybe that's why some of you are having trouble with the editing or it being all over the place.

 

[Khev]

It helped that he was a pilot. Presumably there are at least some unchanging fundamentals involved that he could draw upon.

Those unchanging fundamentals are "presumably" him seeing how they maneuver. Utter nonsense.

If that happens in the first film the aliens win, film over.

So you give ID4's ludicrousness a pass because it was necessary for the humans to win? As opposed to just wishing that the writers actually came up with a non-ludicrous idea instead? They already established the whole hive mind/telepathy thing. Just have Smith be the one to to the mind meld instead of Spiner. Voila. He now knows how to pilot their ships. You get the same finale minus the idiocy.

Now hold on a second. This second film is full of implausibly quick recoveries from what should have been intense emotional trauma. Did you see what happens to the planet in this one? Wait, no, I can understand if you failed to notice the devastation because in fairness none of the characters in the movie seemed to notice it either - ''they like to get the landmarks LOL'' *millions dying in horror below* - This is all in stark contrast to the post-attack scenes aboard Air Force One in the first movie, death of the First Lady and then the sense of disbelief and hopelessness when the nuke fails to do any apparent damage to the alien ship.

Their reactions were more believable in this one because A.) everyone had lived through such catastrophies before and B.) they kind of thought the war was hopeless this time around and that everyone was going to die anyway. The lost cities were a bit of a formality at that point. But again, that's just in comparison to the first film. Of course the reaction to the devastation isn't what you'd expect in a truly serious film like Spielberg's War of the Worlds. But we know now that that isn't what these movies are going for.

None of the reactions in the first film resonated at all, in fact as I said people were literally *cracking jokes* at what should have been unprecedented horror. Pullman and his daughter's reaction to the First Lady's death was the only poignant (and remotely realistic) moment in the entire film. But even that was an odd juxtaposition to the Mars Attacks-level silliness that preceded and followed.

Also, what was Hemsworth's character if not an attempt to emulate the Will Smith role?

Hemsworth was just a typical Top Gun era fighter jock. Okay maybe Starship Troopers era, which puts him way below guys like Poe Dameron but much, much higher than Smith in the first film. Nothing great but at least his involvement didn't bring the movie down.

No particular feelings about that. I did like that one of the ships from the first movie actually landed and there was presumably a ground invasion force that had to be dealt with there.

Yes it was nice that they came up with a "race against time" element (drilling to the core) that didn't directly rip off Star Wars this time.

 

[Khev]

I would never say that this one is better than the first, but I just don't understand how some who liked the first one can call this total ****.

But I *do* understand why people who loved the first one hated this one. Because this one *didn't* suck they feel it betrayed the original.

 

[HODLr]

Saw the new one. The only thing I liked it about it was the old characters from the first movie. All of the new characters are poorly acted and have the depth of a kiddie pool. The first movie I can watch over and over. The new one, once was enough.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Yes, but he bought her an ring to marry her!

Awww, that's cute you think that means something.


JK


Sometimes I think Khev just takes on movies that he feels must defend. He's got a Superman complex for movies he likes.

 

[Khev]

Sometimes I think Khev just takes on movies that he feels must defend. He's got a Superman complex for movies he likes.

A lot of movies are just wrongly criticized (even if they aren't that great to begin with.) But I think it's safe to say that those who actually thought that 1996's "Independence Day" was a quality film that was well written and well directed definitely are put off by this one. Make of that what you will...

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah there is nothing in this new one that would warrant a revisit.

This whole movie was just a check box of what needed to be shown, parts sewn together very poorly.

1st one is a great example of a cheesy movie that one can have fun with.

There was no fun to be had in this, it was actually painful to sit thru.

By the final attack I was already zoned out, it just became a videogame with that girl yelling while shooting at that Alien from her fighter plane.

I kept looking for quarters to put into the arcade machine.

 

[a-dev]

Those unchanging fundamentals are "presumably" him seeing how they maneuver. Utter nonsense.



So you give ID4's ludicrousness a pass because it was necessary for the humans to win? As opposed to just wishing that the writers actually came up with a non-ludicrous idea instead? They already established the whole hive mind/telepathy thing. Just have Smith be the one to to the mind meld instead of Spiner. Voila. He now knows how to pilot their ships. You get the same finale minus the idiocy.



Their reactions were more believable in this one because A.) everyone had lived through such catastrophies before and B.) they kind of thought the war was hopeless this time around and that everyone was going to die anyway. The lost cities were a bit of a formality at that point. But again, that's just in comparison to the first film. Of course the reaction to the devastation isn't what you'd expect in a truly serious film like Spielberg's War of the Worlds. But we know now that that isn't what these movies are going for.

None of the reactions in the first film resonated at all, in fact as I said people were literally *cracking jokes* at what should have been unprecedented horror. Pullman and his daughter's reaction to the First Lady's death was the only poignant (and remotely realistic) moment in the entire film. But even that was an odd juxtaposition to the Mars Attacks-level silliness that preceded and followed.



Hemsworth was just a typical Top Gun era fighter jock. Okay maybe Starship Troopers era, which puts him way below guys like Poe Dameron but much, much higher than Smith in the first film. Nothing great but at least his involvement didn't bring the movie down.



Yes it was nice that they came up with a "race against time" element (drilling to the core) that didn't directly rip off Star Wars this time.

We're not going to agree so I'm going to bug out and call it even.

 

[Khev]

Yeah there is nothing in this new one that would warrant a revisit.

We'll see. I did see ID4 and The Shallows back to back and while I was entertained by ID4 the film did quickly leave my mind after exiting the theater while I'm still buzzing about the finale of Shallows.

 

[Khev]

We're not going to agree so I'm going to bug out and call it even.

Well at least it was a Ripley "Wrong" and not an Arnold shotgun blast to the forehead "Wrong."

 

[a-dev]

Aliens....errr...the 1986 James Cameron film...our great common ground.

 

[jye4ever]

I need to go see Shallows!

You can use this one a-dev.

 

[Khev]

Aliens....errr...the 1986 James Cameron film...our great common ground.

*Khev spends five minutes searching for gif of Hudson high fiving his buddies on the APC but can't find one*

I need to go see Shallows!

Yes you do.

 

[K07]

Sounds like I might skip this one. Two guys who like the first one dislike it and a guy who dislikes the first one likes it? Ehhh....