Indiana Jones in German Disguise 12-inch Figure

[Entropy]

I've heard that excuse many times over the years when it comes to lines. People don't like a choice and one way to bash it is it took a spot for something else. That's lame at best since it can be used with any character no matter the choice. I mean right now in the SW line we have no Dooku but we've got Plo Koon and Kit Fisto. So that excuse is a no go for me.

Faramir, Faramir, Faramir. Sideshow had plans to go deeper into the LotR line, complete the Fellowship and whatnot but poor sales prevented that. Poor Indy sales could do the same, end the line before we see others, and I'm sure you know it. I'd much rather a Saruman or Gimli on my shelf instead and I'd wager that the vast majority would as well. Make the Best, First, please Sideshow.

As far as the "cooler" figures thats pretty subjective.

true. I'd argue that the map room and tux Indy are far more iconic and cooler, but again, if German Indy or Zeppelin Indy does it for some, more power to ya.

I don't care what whitty reply comes back from a number of my fans or this figures fans.

whitty? your fans? are you drunk josh?

 

[Memnoch]

The only figure I probably would have taken more (from Raiders) is a Marion, either the white dress or the Nepal bar.

 

[Husker75]

I made my own using the bazooka from the Hasbro figure and I'm still getting this. People are acting like the sky is falling just because it's the next figure and it isn't the one they wanted next. Let's face it, if Club Obi-Wan Indy in the tuxedo had been announced, not German Indy, they'd still be complaining that it's a lame boring figure and is an omen of the death of the line. Sideshow can never win. Sometimes I really feel bad for them.

Not really true.

Club Obi-Wan Indy would have been silly with such better characters to do.. but it still makes a lot MORE sense than german disguise indy. At least CO-W indy could come with the ashes, the diamond, the glass, the antidote, the skewer, etc. THAT i would have bought. THAT i would have paid 70 or so for. But not 90.

In fact, with a cheap as hell figure of willie they could have pulled off, i'd even buy a two pack of willie in her sequiny red dress and indy in tux for around 130. I could handle that. But a bare bones barely seen and not looking so accurate version of Indy? Not my cup of tea i guess.

Lets face it. The market is getting a lot more competitive. If sideshow want to keep getting our money, and upping the price.. they have to really deliver.

It is a hard line though. Obviously, even Hasbro found that out. But that is why you can't do little filler figures really. You have to hit the most popular ones, or you risk losing it all. IMO.

Still. I'm waiting for the details. Maybe they will shock and awe me!

 

[Mighty_Jabba]

Not really true.

Club Obi-Wan Indy would have been silly with such better characters to do.. but it still makes a lot MORE sense than german disguise indy. At least CO-W indy could come with the ashes, the diamond, the glass, the antidote, the skewer, etc. THAT i would have bought. THAT i would have paid 70 or so for. But not 90.

In fact, with a cheap as hell figure of willie they could have pulled off, i'd even buy a two pack of willie in her sequiny red dress and indy in tux for around 130. I could handle that. But a bare bones barely seen and not looking so accurate version of Indy? Not my cup of tea i guess.

Lets face it. The market is getting a lot more competitive. If sideshow want to keep getting our money, and upping the price.. they have to really deliver.

It is a hard line though. Obviously, even Hasbro found that out. But that is why you can't do little filler figures really. You have to hit the most popular ones, or you risk losing it all. IMO.

Still. I'm waiting for the details. Maybe they will shock and awe me!

I'd say he had as much screen time as Club Obi Wan Indy.

 

[Deckard]

Not true, I would have been satisfied with anything not a variant of Indy at this point. Things I'd have liked to see rather then this?

Mola Ram
Marion Ravenwood
Henry Sr.
Colonel Vogel
German Mechanic
Shortround
Sallah
Grail Knight
Elsa Schneider
Willie Scott
Satipo
Chief Thuggee
Hitler

Indys better then this?, Tux Indy seemed like the definate logical second Indy variant, or Rope Bridge w/ Torn arm and Machete, I even would have expected an old KOTCS Indy before this.

If it comes with Marion and that Pole thing they are tied to during the Ark opening, that's the only way I'd be happy here.

 

[Captain Britain]

Not really true.

Club Obi-Wan Indy would have been silly with such better characters to do.. but it still makes a lot MORE sense than german disguise indy. At least CO-W indy could come with the ashes, the diamond, the glass, the antidote, the skewer, etc. THAT i would have bought. THAT i would have paid 70 or so for. But not 90.

In fact, with a cheap as hell figure of willie they could have pulled off, i'd even buy a two pack of willie in her sequiny red dress and indy in tux for around 130. I could handle that. But a bare bones barely seen and not looking so accurate version of Indy? Not my cup of tea i guess.

Lets face it. The market is getting a lot more competitive. If sideshow want to keep getting our money, and upping the price.. they have to really deliver.

It is a hard line though. Obviously, even Hasbro found that out. But that is why you can't do little filler figures really. You have to hit the most popular ones, or you risk losing it all. IMO.

Still. I'm waiting for the details. Maybe they will shock and awe me!

You hit the nail on the head - I wonder if Sideshow's business model is outdated. Releasing the least popular outfits and characters from a line so you'd make money from the licence while building up to the really iconic figures might have worked a few years ago. But now companies like Hot Toys do things differently and it seems to work for them. I didn't see the Dark Knight line start with the Chinese accountant, move onto Morgan Freeman then build up to the Joker and Batman over the course of two or three years. The movie was in cinemas last July; great figures of the main characters were in my hands less than two months later.

 

[DinoLast]

You hit the nail on the head - I wonder if Sideshow's business model is outdated. Releasing the least popular outfits and characters from a line so you'd make money from the licence while building up to the really iconic figures might have worked a few years ago. But now companies like Hot Toys do things differently and it seems to work for them. I didn't see the Dark Knight line start with the Chinese accountant, move onto Morgan Freeman then build up to the Joker and Batman over the course of two or three years. The movie was in cinemas last July; great figures of the main characters were in my hands less than two months later.

No, they just keep bringing out Jokers. I see in another thread that people are excited that there might be a fourth Joker coming out. Not a bad thing I guess, but I would have liked to have seen another character in the line.

 

[IrishJedi]

I said I'd be completely uninterested unless the exclusive is a necessity and/or they toss in the German headsculpt of the soldier Indy punked for the outfit. Keep in mind though, again, if it's screen accurate, Indy should have no other accessories save the rocket launcher and German uniform, be shirtless beneath and the coat should be too tight on the body (which means they'll either go with a normal fitting coat or need to include a smaller body if they do the German headsculpt). Without the aforementioned extras, does this piece still sound appealing at $100?

Basically though, only 3 figures in, we're tossed the 4th which is an uninspiring variant that several have already bashed with the extra hatless sculpt we got with the original. Not exactly a good followup to the turd that was Belloq.

 

[Husker75]

I'd say he had as much screen time as Club Obi Wan Indy.

Yeah.. but the difference? German disguise indy was boring. He held a rocket launcher for a few seconds and got pwnd!

club obi wan indy looked freakin suave as billy dee! lol. AND, he rocked the pants off of that opening. From the trade, to the poisoning, and then the nutso battle of flaming skewers and diving in balloons and freaking out over being poisoned! Quick, out the window! Down the building, and into the car! CAR CHASE!

To me, the mere situation makes Club Obi-Wan indy a LOT more interesting.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have every made a german indy.. (though i would prefer the last crusade version myself....) but it should have been a filler MUCH later in the line. If we have to get an indy variant, it shouldn't be crappy one this early. I can actually understand an indy variant. cheaper, and obviously they know he will at least sell a few.. but really, as others have stated.. this isn't so much a regular line. it's mostly collectors picking up indy. Hence why he is still VERY available in even his iconic outfit. That is a bit troubling!

I just don't want to see the same thing happen to another line i have liked so far.

 

[kl241]

Club Obi-Wan Indy is another easy custom bash. There's a few that have been posted here already. And if you really need to have the urn of Nurhachi you can pick up a loose Medicom one on ebay like I did for $6. The Peacock's Eye crystal can be found at just about any hobby and craft store. Let's face it, it's just Indy in another outfit.

Perhaps SS SHOULD release clothing sets for a pre-existing doll kind of like some other 12" guy...

 

[Jmlsuperman]

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.....Huh? Don't get it...

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[The Josh]

Faramir, Faramir, Faramir. Sideshow had plans to go deeper into the LotR line, complete the Fellowship and whatnot but poor sales prevented that. Poor Indy sales could do the same, end the line before we see others, and I'm sure you know it. I'd much rather a Saruman or Gimli on my shelf instead and I'd wager that the vast majority would as well. Make the Best, First, please Sideshow.

Faramir being announced had very little to do with it. At somepoint people will quit using Faramir as the reason the LOTR line ended. We still got the Hobbits and GTG after him. So are you going to blame those three figures? Probably not right? It was the length between figures that was the main reason which caused the poor sales because the ADD fans went on to something else. I would liked to have had Gimli or Saruman on my shelf. However, I'm glad we got Faramir but then again I am an actual LOTR fan not a cherry picking fan of these stories. Which I say many folks here are of LOTR, Indy, Etc.

As far as making the best first. Again that's subjective to who feels whats best. Not to mention if you make ALL the "best" first then you venture killing a line because once you get past the supposed "best" your ADD fans go off and leave.

true. I'd argue that the map room and tux Indy are far more iconic and cooler, but again, if German Indy or Zeppelin Indy does it for some, more power to ya.

Map Room is probably more Iconic. I'd have taken that first over this version but I would argue that him in the suit is cooler/more iconic. Seeing as how this is him in a stare down about to blow up the Ark during the climax of ROTLA. Compairing this with the ticket taker outfit is weak sauce at best.

whitty? your fans? are you drunk josh?

Ok I admit my fans aren't real whitty. When I say my fans I mean those lovely people that like to reply whenever they can to take a shot.

 

[The Josh]

Club Obi-Wan Indy is another easy custom bash. There's a few that have been posted here already. And if you really need to have the urn of Nurhachi you can pick up a loose Medicom one on ebay like I did for $6. The Peacock's Eye crystal can be found at just about any hobby and craft store. Let's face it, it's just Indy in another outfit.

It is. Thats one thing that kind of cracks me up when talking about how this verison would be so much better. I guess cause its the only other thing he wears in TOD.

Yeah.. but the difference? German disguise indy was boring. He held a rocket launcher for a few seconds and got pwnd!

As opposed to wearing a suit for a few, drinking some poison, and then getting pwned. At least in German disguise he was about to blow up the Ark.

club obi wan indy looked freakin suave as billy dee! lol. AND, he rocked the pants off of that opening. From the trade, to the poisoning, and then the nutso battle of flaming skewers and diving in balloons and freaking out over being poisoned! Quick, out the window! Down the building, and into the car! CAR CHASE!

To me, the mere situation makes Club Obi-Wan indy a LOT more interesting.

Just like I said above he gets pwned all the same. Really that makes the figure no more intersting since your figure won't be doing any of that.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have ever made a german indy.. (though i would prefer the last crusade version myself....) but it should have been a filler MUCH later in the line. If we have to get an indy variant, it shouldn't be crappy one this early. I can actually understand an indy variant. cheaper, and obviously they know he will at least sell a few.. but really, as others have stated.. this isn't so much a regular line. it's mostly collectors picking up indy. Hence why he is still VERY available in even his iconic outfit. That is a bit troubling![/quote]

Doing another Indy as the fourth figure is the only thing that surprised me. I really expected to get Mola Raam, Marion, or maybe Sallah next. So I guess you could say any Indy variant(Non adventure outfit for each movie) should have been filler way down the line or saved for SDCC Exclusives.

 

[dragonsleeper]

Steve Austin is classic..

 

[Entropy]

Faramir being announced had very little to do with it. At somepoint people will quit using Faramir as the reason the LOTR line ended. We still got the Hobbits and GTG after him. So are you going to blame those three figures?

*sigh* You don't understand. I'm not blaming Faramir for the line failing. I'm saying the line failed for a variety of reasons. When starting, SS didn't know the line wouldn't continue past 7 figures. 7 figures were made, there could've been a better more popular character than Faramir like Saruman or Gimli. Ever heard the expression "Make hay while the sun shines?" It applies to LotR and Indy as well and should be the SS philosophy.
If you think that all characters are the same in importance and popularity then I don't know what to say except that you are dead wrong in this instance.

Ok I admit my fans aren't real whitty. When I say my fans I mean those lovely people that like to reply whenever they can to take a shot.

That seems to how can SS make this since I made one already.

Mangled sentences like this and superfluous 'h's make me question your sobriety.

PS. It's witty, teach.

 

[The Josh]

*sigh* You don't understand. I'm not blaming Faramir for the line failing. I'm saying the line failed for a variety of reasons. When starting, SS didn't know the line wouldn't continue past 7 figures. 7 figures were made, there could've been a better more popular character than Faramir like Saruman or Gimli. Ever heard the expression "Make hay while the sun shines?" It applies to LotR and Indy as well and should be the SS philosophy.

No, I understand quite well. Thanks though. It did but none of it was because Faramir was announced. That what you don't understand. Those figures are more popular I would agree but you don't go doing all your tops right off the bat. Faramir was a nod to those of us who have been LOTR fans for quite some time, and had been collecting the SSW stuff as we wanted him in that line. They did that and honestly if his paint was better the figure is really quite nice. I'll try to spell it out again for you that it was the lengthy delays that killed it. I mean really do you think putting Gimli in Faramir's spot would have made a world of difference? I really doubt it would have.

As I said we had three more figures after Farmir and the delays between each was pretty huge. Those three figures are three very good figures and the line still died. Faramir was long in hand by that point. So again they could have striked while the iron was hot but it really wouldn't have mattered.

If you think that all characters are the same in importance and popularity then I don't know what to say except that you are dead wrong in this instance.

I don't and never said that. However, you don't shoot your wad all at the start either.

Mangled sentences like this and superfluous 'h's make me question your sobriety.

PS. It's witty, teach.

Ah thanks.

 

[Entropy]

I mean really do you think putting Gimli in Faramir's spot would have made a world of difference?

Yes! We would have Gimli in our collection instead of Faramir, silly! Would it have extended the life of the line? no, but that was NEVER my point. Again, you're arguing against a point I am not making. Yes, they should make their tops right off the bat, especially when they don't know how long the game will last. Saving your heavy hitters only to find that the game has been rained out is a mistake. Make hay while the sun shines, Josh.

Looking back, if this turns out to be the last in the Indy line, I think most would rather have a Mola Ram or Marion or Henry Snr. in their collection than a German Indy or any Indy variant really, just as most would rather a Saruman or Gimli instead of Faramir.

 

[samueljd]

Totally lame choice. I really never expected the choice as the next figure. Before the release these variations they should have put out more characters first.

 

[mfisher]

So... how bout' that figure...

 

[The Josh]

Yes! We would have Gimli in our collection instead of Faramir, silly! Would it have extended the life of the line? no, but that was NEVER my point. Again, you're arguing against a point I am not making. Yes, they should make their tops right off the bat, especially when they don't know how long the game will last. Saving your heavy hitters only to find that the game has been rained out is a mistake. Make hay while the sun shines, Josh.

There's nothing wrong with having Faramir in our collections. His importance to the story makes having him worth having in his collection. So I think just saying they should never have made Faramir is stupid and shows a lack of fandom to LOTR. Not saying Gimli isn't important because he is by huge margins, but there was nothing wrong with making Faramir. The only reason people have a problem with it now is because the line is no longer going.

Only making your tops right off the start shows a lack of understanding how things works. As Dave said doing that would cause your company to lose money and not last long at all. If you make all your tops right off the bat where does that leave you in the long run. It leaves you with making characters not as popular by the masses for the rest of the line. That does not lead to long term success of lines nor of the company. So you can say make hay all you want but if thats how you think things should be run it makes me glad you and others like you aren't running SS.

Looking back, if this turns out to be the last in the Indy line, I think most would rather have a Mola Ram or Marion or Henry Snr. in their collection than a German Indy or any Indy variant really, just as most would rather a Saruman or Gimli instead of Faramir.

I don't think this will be the end of the line. I really don't going off of what SS has said. I'd like to have those three as well on top of this Indy. The choice of doing it now is odd but thats the worst thing I can say. I'll make the point again Faramir was the second or third figure in the LOTR line. They still had GTG and The Hobbits that came after him and they're MORE popular characters. They didn't stimulate anything. So.........