J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[FQRizzo]

"a more suitable actor"??? Again, it's all about race for you.

Cumberbatch is a phenomenal actor who delivered an impressive performance, by far the best performance of both Abrams movies. Somehow you're letting his race cloud your opinion of the character when the character's race has nothing to do with the plot, in any universe.

I think race had nothing to do with it:

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I think Khan was poorly utilized. They hyped him up to be this evil genius, but all we saw out of him was some physical badassery and magic blood.

Good thing they phoned up old Spock to ask about Khan because they totally trusted Khan before that phone call...oh wait.

 

[youbastards]

The plot points you are bringing up are completely unrelated to A-Dev's comment I quoted.

 

[FQRizzo]

The plot points you are bringing up are completely unrelated to A-Dev's comment I quoted.

I'm starting my own argument. So there.

 

[a-dev]

"a more suitable actor"??? Again, it's all about race for you.

Cumberbatch is a phenomenal actor who delivered an impressive performance, by far the best performance of both Abrams movies. Somehow you're letting his race cloud your opinion of the character when the character's race has nothing to do with the plot, in any universe.

Sue me for thinking it matters somewhat.

Again, if you excuse it so easily, why not make Kirk a black man? Wouldn't affect the plot would it?

 

[Adolfo]

Sue me for thinking it matters somewhat.

Again, if you excuse it so easily, why not make Kirk a black man? Wouldn't affect the plot would it?

It would affect more than plot...lol...do the same for James Bond...LOL

 

[Adolfo]

I did like Cumberbatch in the role...I cant wait for him to play Sauron and Smaug in the Hobbit!

 

[FQRizzo]

I did like Cumberbatch in the role...I cant wait for him to play Sauron and Smaug in the Hobbit!

...but he's not a real dragon.

 

[Adolfo]

...but he's not a real dragon.

No freakin way!

 

[Kabukiman]

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Khan's race kind of is a big deal since he was established as being a Sikh from Northern India who was a key player in the Eugenics Wars. Since everything that happened before Nero's arrival to this timeline remains unchanged, Khan being played by a British white guy is kind of a problem.

 

[a-dev]

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Khan's race kind of is a big deal since he was established as being a Sikh from Northern India who was a key player in the Eugenics Wars. Since everything that happened before Nero's arrival to this timeline remains unchanged, Khan being played by a British white guy is kind of a problem.

And there you have it. Unless they explain the change within the movie which they could easily do. But from what I've heard they don't.

 

[iron.jedi83]

i think with the whole time travel thing in the previous movie, there are many different timelines. so maybe we are seeing a timeline where

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Khan's race is different

there could be infinite amount of timelines where everything could be different so that really doesnt bother me

 

[FQRizzo]

i think with the whole time travel thing in the previous movie, there are many different timelines. so maybe we are seeing a timeline where

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Khan's race is different

there could be infinite amount of timelines where everything could be different so that really doesnt bother me

That's not how this reboot works.

 

[Bardoon]

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Khan's race kind of is a big deal since he was established as being a Sikh from Northern India who was a key player in the Eugenics Wars. Since everything that happened before Nero's arrival to this timeline remains unchanged, Khan being played by a British white guy is kind of a problem.

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So if you want to get technical about it. Khan, an Eastern Indian Sikh, was played before by a Mexican actor. Montalban even had trouble getting rid of his accent as he spoke during the role.

I'm not a big Trekkie, so it makes no difference to me. I do think they didn't use Khan enough and that Cumberbatch's talents were underutilized.

 

[draekus]

Saw the movie. Fun to watch. But while the actors were great, the script was a mess. This could have been MUCH better.

 

[Gully Foyle]

It's STINO:

Star Trek in name only

 

[lerath666]

Still enjoyed it.

Wonder if he ( Abrams) will still be making a trilogy from this.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

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Khan's race kind of is a big deal since he was established as being a Sikh from Northern India who was a key player in the Eugenics Wars. Since everything that happened before Nero's arrival to this timeline remains unchanged, Khan being played by a British white guy is kind of a problem.

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If these are literally meant to be the same characters from the original series up to the point of the altered timeline, then it makes no sense at all that Khan bears absolutely no resemblance to the original incarnation and suddenly has magic blood (WTF is that about?!), or that Carol Marcus is now mysteriously British for some reason.

Unless this is explained in the movie these are a couple of the big problems I have with the plot.

 

[JonWes]

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If these are literally meant to be the same characters from the original series up to the point of the altered timeline, then it makes no sense at all that Khan bears absolutely no resemblance to the original incarnation and suddenly has magic blood (WTF is that about?!), or that Carol Marcus is now mysteriously British for some reason.

Unless this is explained in the movie these are a couple of the big problems I have with the plot.

Well, it also makes no sense that the main characters look nothing like their original counterparts, too.
I think there needs to be some leeway given for the reality of producing the movies with new actors, at least. Carol, though, you could argue could happen. Since the incursion of the Narada happened before she was born, presumably, that could change a lot. For instance, maybe her British mother insisted she be raised on some hidden colony for fear of Earth being attacked or something.

 

[CelticPredator]

It's STINO:

Star Trek in name only

You fans make me ****ing sick. I hope they run this franchise into the ground.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Well, it also makes no sense that the main characters look nothing like their original counterparts, too.
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Not necessarily true. Pine looks enough like a young Shatner, while the rest of the main crew have enough of the mannerisms down to be playing the same characters. In the villain's case, he looks, acts, and sounds NOTHING like the original. He is literally that villain in name only.

His race doesn't matter? Fine. Don't give him an inexplicably Indian name.

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People say "Boo hoo, Ricardo Montalban was Mexican! That's just as racist." Well, it was the sixties and they still used make-up to pass him off as Indian. It fit the character.

Here Ben's just a white British guy with super strength and an attitude problem. Not exactly Indian, charming or ostensibly intelligent.