J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[Fia2k9]

basically it opened a kids (my) imagination about the future and sci-fi, I still enjoy it, as it reminds me of simpler times of childhood. where playing outside with a stick in the mud was fun.

love that answer. I on the other hand was in my teens and it was Next Gen. that got me sucked into TOS. I was blown away by the stories and characters, and had no trouble looking past cheesy affects and budget constraints. So I guess I do have a stick up my but about Trek.

Ultimately whats burns my buns is that talented writers and Directors would've found a way to keep it all in and still give us a great film. I guess it's tough to let go of things you hold Dear and let the newer generations run with it.

And just for the Record I watched into Darkness just as I watched Star Trek in 09. I just Think JJ could've done better.

 

[Adolfo]

love that answer. I on the other hand was in my teens and it was Next Gen. that got me sucked into TOS. I was blown away by the stories and characters, and had no trouble looking past cheesy affects and budget constraints. So I guess I do have a stick up my but about Trek.

Ultimately whats burns my buns is that talented writers and Directors would've found a way to keep it all in and still give us a great film. I guess it's tough to let go of things you hold Dear and let the newer generations run with it.

And just for the Record I watched into Darkness just as I watched Star Trek in 09. I just Think JJ could've done better.

I will agree...I still enjoyed it even though it was a different take on things...I liked it better than IM3...."The times they are a changin"...I do wish they had a Ricardo M type of guy casted ..but oh well

 

[a-dev]

Look, this is a movie forum, in a toy forum. Think of it more like....your mind pouring itself out.

If someone you knew ranted in your face about a film you loved in real life , you'd take it, nod your head, and say I disagree. Despite you getting frustrated, because most people hate when someone dislikes something you don't. It's just a weird little tick i'd assume most humans have. But I could be wrong.

That being said, people aren't hating the film based on it's merits. Only the merits of being a Trek film, and the nitpicks, and all that nerdy crap.

You haven't seen the film yet, please, go watch it. And if you don't like it, fine. But dislike it because of it's story, character, plot, acting, cinematography, directing and effects. Not "It doesn't match up to Trek, therefore is pooy!"

Why would anyone's opinion hold up to that nerdy crap? My problems with Evil Dead have nothing to do with comparing the two. It has to do with the filmmaking and writing. Which I thought was quite lackluster.

No I haven't seen it yet. And I have criticised some of the things I've heard about it. However I never stated that I'm prepared to call it a crap film because of the inconsistencies with past Trek - only that I will likely be annoyed by them - because of how easily they could be avoided if the writers put a little bit more thought into it. I'm sure the film itself will be at least as entertaining as the 09 film.

But people's defensiveness over a film has been ridiculous in this thread. Hoping they die alone in their own filth? Thats taking it a bit personally innit? FS.

And you Celtic, you didn't seem to have a problem when I was ripping into Die Hard 4 not so long ago. The only difference there is you happened to agree with what I was saying.

 

[CelticPredator]

Maybe that's for some people. But my only issue with people that don't like this film are the people that don't like it based off fan stuff. Not film stuff.

"Kirk would never do that! Film sucks!" "The warp speed is too fast! Inconsistant with the series! Terrible film!"

People who have actual problems with it, don't bother me in the same way. Sure, i'll disagree. But that's it. It's the fan nitpicking that gets me. It makes me not take the said persons opinion seriously.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

Maybe that's for some people. But my only issue with people that don't like this film are the people that don't like it based off fan stuff. Not film stuff.

"Kirk would never do that! Film sucks!" "The warp speed is too fast! Inconsistant with the series! Terrible film!"

People who have actual problems with it, don't bother me in the same way. Sure, i'll disagree. But that's it. It's the fan nitpicking that gets me. It makes me not take the said persons opinion seriously.

Whether your gripes are from the viewpoint of a fan or from the viewpoint that as a film it is poorly written don't matter. I'm a Trek fan, and I have problems with it as a ST movie. But I also have problems with it as a movie period. Poor storytelling and lazy script writing bother me more than the ST gripes. Some are interlaced with each other because as the second movie in a series, it's not even consistent within it's own logic. My problem are with the hacks that got paid to write this. This movie had some of the same problems Prometheus had as a coherent logical story. It has a lot of all flash and little substance that the Transformer films had. My beef with Abrams is as the director at some point he should have called them on some of it.

 

[Gates70]

This movie was so horrible that a packed theatre cheered once and clapped at the end, which NEVER happens around here.

 

[CelticPredator]

Whether your gripes are from the viewpoint of a fan or from the viewpoint that as a film it is poorly written don't matter. I'm a Trek fan, and I have problems with it as a ST movie. But I also have problems with it as a movie period. Poor storytelling and lazy script writing bother me more than the ST gripes. Some are interlaced with each other because as the second movie in a series, it's not even consistent within it's own logic. My problem are with the hacks that got paid to write this. This movie had some of the same problems Prometheus had as a coherent logical story. It has a lot of all flash and little substance that the Transformer films had. My beef with Abrams is as the director at some point he should have called them on some of it.

I disagree with almost everything you said, (some points I do agree on, like the hack writers) but I respect your opinion because you have real issues as to why you didn't like it. Not "The warp core was too fast".

 

[a-dev]

I disagree with almost everything you said, (some points I do agree on, like the hack writers) but I respect your opinion because you have real issues as to why you didn't like it. Not "The warp core was too fast".

I'm pretty sure the guy who complained about the warp core being too fast had many other legitimate 'movie-based' issues that you're not giving him credit for, basically no different to Darth Zangetsu there.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm pretty sure the guy who complained about the warp core being too fast had many other legitimate 'movie-based' issues that you're not giving him credit for, basically no different to Darth Zangetsu there.

You're right. His other issues were "Badguy wasn't Mexican, and the timeline doesn't match up."

No thanks. It's frustrating, because fanboys are quick to denounce a film as "bad", without pointing out why it's "bad". It's getting a lot more aggressive now, far more then it has been for a while.

It's like film criticism doesn't exist in their world. It's all "I want it my way, or the highway.". It's not only uninteresting to read, but it's also very annoying. And I'm sorry, I won't respect your opinion if those are your main issues.

 

[a-dev]

You're right. His other issues were "Badguy wasn't Mexican, and the timeline doesn't match up."

No thanks. It's frustrating, because fanboys are quick to denounce a film as "bad", without pointing out why it's "bad". It's getting a lot more aggressive now, far more then it has been for a while.

It's like film criticism doesn't exist in their world. It's all "I want it my way, or the highway.". It's not only uninteresting to read, but it's also very annoying. And I'm sorry, I won't respect your opinion if those are your main issues.

Are you thinking of the review that IrishJedi linked to? I think he had a lot of non-nerdy criticisms (in addition to the nerdy criticisms). I get the impression from his post that Darth Zangetsu, whose opinion you say you could respect, would have agreed with all of it.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm not. I like Devin. I disagreed with most of it, but it was valid, film criticism. I'm talking about online forum people, amongst other various internet stuff.

 

[snoop101]

"Valid" film criticism? What is invalid film criticism?

 

[CelticPredator]

Complaining about the warp core, and non mexican villians.

Vs, the script, acting, directing....and i'm totally being a intentional smug ******* here. I can't take it, and my head is going to explode.

Although, it's not as bad here, as it is for Iron Man 3. Yikes.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

I disagree with almost everything you said, (some points I do agree on, like the hack writers) but I respect your opinion because you have real issues as to why you didn't like it. Not "The warp core was too fast".

I'll agree with you to that point in some respects. ST(nor any franchise) has rarely been consistent through all iterations with it's logic. Things like the warp core being to fast roll off my back. And Kahn isn't Hispanic, he was a Sikh from Northern India. His race doesn't concern me as much as the way he was written. They had a chance to go in a different direction with Trek lore. Khan and Kirk in this timeline have no history. Why not try something new? But no, they recycled moments from another film. And because there is no proper setup, the last Act has no weight. Kirk's death is meaningless in a world of preplanned trilogies and cure all superblood. The moment of him saying goodbye to Spock is about as impactful as when Obi Wan and Anakin fought each other. Neither has any weight because all we have seen these characters do is fight. They are not friends. At best they tolerate each other. They are "friends" simply because they were in the OS. But we are never shown that friendship in this timeline. So when he dies it has no weight.

I could go on forever about the script problems, but like i said it's better than Nemesis, so I guess that counts for something.

 

[Niltusk]

I disagree with almost everything you said, (some points I do agree on, like the hack writers) but I respect your opinion because you have real issues as to why you didn't like it. Not "The warp core was too fast".

N3RDS!!1!!

 

[Gruson]

I'll agree with you to that point in some respects. ST(nor any franchise) has rarely been consistent through all iterations with it's logic. Things like the warp core being to fast roll off my back. And Kahn isn't Hispanic, he was a Sikh from Northern India. His race doesn't concern me as much as the way he was written. They had a chance to go in a different direction with Trek lore. Khan and Kirk in this timeline have no history. Why not try something new? But no, they recycled moments from another film. And because there is no proper setup, the last Act has no weight. Kirk's death is meaningless in a world of preplanned trilogies and cure all superblood. The moment of him saying goodbye to Spock is about as impactful as when Obi Wan and Anakin fought each other. Neither has any weight because all we have seen these characters do is fight. They are not friends. At best they tolerate each other. They are "friends" simply because they were in the OS. But we are never shown that friendship in this timeline. So when he dies it has no weight.

I could go on forever about the script problems, but like i said it's better than Nemesis, so I guess that counts for something.

I thought this timeline was the original timeline but it changed once Nero came in and alterered it. So the original series did take place...it just changed after a certain date. Khan and Kirk would have known each other from that TV episode.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'll agree with you to that point in some respects. ST(nor any franchise) has rarely been consistent through all iterations with it's logic. Things like the warp core being to fast roll off my back. And Kahn isn't Hispanic, he was a Sikh from Northern India. His race doesn't concern me as much as the way he was written. They had a chance to go in a different direction with Trek lore. Khan and Kirk in this timeline have no history. Why not try something new? But no, they recycled moments from another film. And because there is no proper setup, the last Act has no weight. Kirk's death is meaningless in a world of preplanned trilogies and cure all superblood. The moment of him saying goodbye to Spock is about as impactful as when Obi Wan and Anakin fought each other. Neither has any weight because all we have seen these characters do is fight. They are not friends. At best they tolerate each other. They are "friends" simply because they were in the OS. But we are never shown that friendship in this timeline. So when he dies it has no weight.

I could go on forever about the script problems, but like i said it's better than Nemesis, so I guess that counts for something.

I agree with you there.

 

[a-dev]

I thought this timeline was the original timeline but it changed once Nero came in and alterered it. So the original series did take place...it just changed after a certain date. Khan and Kirk would have known each other from that TV episode.

No, as far as the timeline, what we are seeing now is the Original Series era retold because the Nero change happened on the day Kirk was born.

Spoiler

Originally in the TV show the Enterprise found the Botany Bay ship with Khan frozen. This film changes it that Admiral Marcus finds him instead

This pre-dates even the time of the Shatner Kirk movies. Those too now won't happen in the way they originally did. Though technically V'ger and the Star Trek IV alien probe should still be en route. There seems no reason the Nero time incursion would have affected them. I doubt any future film will deal with these things again but a referance to them would be nice.

 

[a-dev]

I agree with you there.

I was wondering what was the 'one problem' you mentioned you had. That be it then.

 

[Magpie 7]

I'm treating this like we are just watching ST in a mirror universe, one universe we've got the normal ST, another we've got the ISS Enterprise universe. Now we also got the JJ Abrams ST universe, who know they might reboot again and we'll have someone elses ST universe.