J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[Gates70]

This movie was a nice setup for

Spoiler

The Wrath of Khan which I think the next one will be. When you watch the original ST:TWOK, when they find him, they talk about "what he did" to get exhiled in the first place. I think this movie showed "what he did" in some sorts. The introduction of Dr Marcus in this one also signals the fact that they'll have a kid and will get killed by Khan in the next movie, like in the original movie.

 

[FQRizzo]

This movie was a nice setup for

Spoiler

The Wrath of Khan which I think the next one will be. When you watch the original ST:TWOK, when they find him, they talk about "what he did" to get exhiled in the first place. I think this movie showed "what he did" in some sorts. The introduction of Dr Marcus in this one also signals the fact that they'll have a kid and will get killed by Khan in the next movie, like in the original movie.

Timeline diverged after Nero went back in time. Don't think this is going to happen.

 

[a-dev]

This movie was a nice setup for

Spoiler

The Wrath of Khan which I think the next one will be. When you watch the original ST:TWOK, when they find him, they talk about "what he did" to get exhiled in the first place. I think this movie showed "what he did" in some sorts. The introduction of Dr Marcus in this one also signals the fact that they'll have a kid and will get killed by Khan in the next movie, like in the original movie.

Personally I think this and this alone will be the Abrams-verse

Spoiler

Khan

film. I dunno, I just don't see them doing a direct sequel to the Into Darkness story as the next film.

 

[JAWS]

Complaining about the warp core, and non mexican villians.

Vs, the script, acting, directing....and i'm totally being a intentional smug ******* here. I can't take it, and my head is going to explode.

Although, it's not as bad here, as it is for Iron Man 3. Yikes.

You did not seem to be as open minded with actual criticism in the IM3 thread.

No, as far as the timeline, what we are seeing now is the Original Series era retold because the Nero change happened on the day Kirk was born.

Spoiler

Originally in the TV show the Enterprise found the Botany Bay ship with Khan frozen. This film changes it that Admiral Marcus finds him instead

This pre-dates even the time of the Shatner Kirk movies. Those too now won't happen in the way they originally did. Though technically V'ger and the Star Trek IV alien probe should still be en route. There seems no reason the Nero time incursion would have affected them. I doubt any future film will deal with these things again but a referance to them would be nice.

The Best part of Nero's time travel is that Khan crashed his ship into San Fran killing millions of people. Among the Dead were the grandparents of most of the crew of TNG. Thus no more boring A$$ TNG crew or show


Personally I love what they did with the first film. It stayed true to the original show while allowing the new series to do it's own thing.

That being said, I was not thrilled with the new film and I hated all the Wrath of Khan Stuff. I liked the way Khan himself was handled but the whole "death" scene was forced and unfortunately comical.

I thought the cast felt more like the actual crew in the first film. This one had so much non stop action, we never got any great cast moments.

 

[a-dev]

The Best part of Nero's time travel is that Khan crashed his ship into San Fran killing millions of people. Among the Dead were the grandparents of most of the crew of TNG. Thus no more boring A$$ TNG crew or show

Nope. You're forgetting about Khan blood. All those people can be brought back to life.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

You did not seem to be as open minded with actual criticism in the IM3 thread.




The Best part of Nero's time travel is that Khan crashed his ship into San Fran killing millions of people. Among the Dead were the grandparents of most of the crew of TNG. Thus no more boring A$$ TNG crew or show


Personally I love what they did with the first film. It stayed true to the original show while allowing the new series to do it's own thing.

Well,
Troi and Guinan are not human so they still exist, Picard is French, so he's still alive. Data is an android, so there's always a chance. At best you may have taken out the Crusher's and Geordi. Plus Khan's blood is the cure for death, so everybody gets to come back.

 

[tomandshell]

I think it's funny that Lindelof won't comment on the Khan blood in interviews. He'll discuss other plot points, but he won't touch that one.

 

[FQRizzo]

I think it's funny that Lindelof won't comment on the Khan blood in interviews. He'll discuss other plot points, but he won't touch that one.

Yeah...the wasn't his best work.

 

[darthviper107]

Well,
Troi and Guinan are not human so they still exist, Picard is French, so he's still alive. Data is an android, so there's always a chance. At best you may have taken out the Crusher's and Geordi. Plus Khan's blood is the cure for death, so everybody gets to come back.

Just being alive doesn't mean that their decedents would exist. Changing around their lives could mean that a completely different person gets born

 

[FQRizzo]

Just being alive doesn't mean that their decedents would exist. Changing around their lives could mean that a completely different person gets born

Not the way these Abrams movies are going. They still have all the same people on the crew, Kirk still runs into his future wife, etc.

They had carte blanche to do what they wanted with this universe thanks to the elegant way they engineered the 2009 movie. What do they end up doing with it? The same damn things that happened before.

 

[CelticPredator]

Abrams will go on a do better things...but these writers are here to stay .

Good luck Trek fans.

 

[a-dev]

Well,
Troi and Guinan are not human so they still exist, Picard is French, so he's still alive. Data is an android, so there's always a chance. At best you may have taken out the Crusher's and Geordi. Plus Khan's blood is the cure for death, so everybody gets to come back.

Tuvok from Star Trek Voyager might not exist anymore after the destruction of Vulcan. And no Khan blood could make any difference there

 

[tomandshell]

Never underestimate the power of Khan blood.

 

[Shropt]

So everyone in this universe can now live forever thanks to the blood. That's... kinda stupid...

 

[BaxterStockman]

I was very disappointed. I'm not saying that it was a bad movie by any means. It was a action movie, that just happened to be called Star Trek.
Really they could have redesigned the space ship, and rename the characters, and this could just be any other semi scifi movie that stands on its own. (like minority report or blade runner)

One of my biggest beefs with the movie was that it was basically void of any major scifi elements. Pretty much the warp tech and the cool ring in water explosion. This is Star Trek! The movie goers are expecting to see some cool scifi stuff. And the super khan blood. Please, what a cheap way of reviving a person from the dead. The second they showed him taking his blood and putting it into that fur ball, i knew.

My biggest complaint however, was the fact that Khan was manipulated by a pathetic human being. It is absolutely the wrong way for Khan to be portrayed. He could have just been blowing places up as a terrorist demanding that his crew be returned to him. And since they don't negotiate with terrorists, he keeps doing crazier and more deadly attacks. And then he gets his crew back, and they continue what they were doing, eradicating life forms inferior to theirs. Which is where the miraculous save by Cpt Kirk and Spock could be a much more epic movie.

Plus Khan's warp to Klingon space. I really wanted to see the start of the war at the end of Into Darkness. They said just being there could start a war. But the fact that they killed a ton of them, now it has to be started. It would have been great for Star Fleet to have to deal with Khan and a full out Klingon war would have been fantastic.



Again, I enjoyed the movie. I was just expecting more from it. And the more I thought about it, all I can think about is how they missed a very massive opportunity here.

 

[JAWS]

Nope. You're forgetting about Khan blood. All those people can be brought back to life.

 

[Gates70]

I was very disappointed. I'm not saying that it was a bad movie by any means. It was a action movie, that just happened to be called Star Trek.
Really they could have redesigned the space ship, and rename the characters, and this could just be any other semi scifi movie that stands on its own. (like minority report or blade runner)

One of my biggest beefs with the movie was that it was basically void of any major scifi elements. Pretty much the warp tech and the cool ring in water explosion. This is Star Trek! The movie goers are expecting to see some cool scifi stuff. And the super khan blood. Please, what a cheap way of reviving a person from the dead. The second they showed him taking his blood and putting it into that fur ball, i knew.

My biggest complaint however, was the fact that Khan was manipulated by a pathetic human being. It is absolutely the wrong way for Khan to be portrayed. He could have just been blowing places up as a terrorist demanding that his crew be returned to him. And since they don't negotiate with terrorists, he keeps doing crazier and more deadly attacks. And then he gets his crew back, and they continue what they were doing, eradicating life forms inferior to theirs. Which is where the miraculous save by Cpt Kirk and Spock could be a much more epic movie.

Plus Khan's warp to Klingon space. I really wanted to see the start of the war at the end of Into Darkness. They said just being there could start a war. But the fact that they killed a ton of them, now it has to be started. It would have been great for Star Fleet to have to deal with Khan and a full out Klingon war would have been fantastic.



Again, I enjoyed the movie. I was just expecting more from it. And the more I thought about it, all I can think about is how they missed a very massive opportunity here.

What more did you want ? There was spaceships, Aliens (Klingons), laser shootouts, space travel....I mean what else is there ? And patience on the war, it's obviously coming in the next movie. We don't have to get everything at once.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ Science fiction is more then just ships and lasers. It's SCIENCE Fiction. You need actual plausable science to have Science Fiction. Star Wars isn't science fiction. It's Science Fantasy.

I took me a SciFi class back in high school. :yess


Also, awesome review. Despite me enjoying it more then they did, I do agree with mostly what they said. The writers suck. JJ Abrams is awesome.

https://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-star-trek-into-darkness/

 

[Darkmatter]

Spoiler

you wanted new twists, didn't you? well spock yelling khan, kirk dying in the reactor, and khan's blood being used like borg nanoprobes to resurrect the dead is pretty pretzely from here.

i wanted the timeline fixed in this movie and it wasn't addressed. no temporal correction so the planet vulcan is still destroyed, kirk's father is still dead, and spock continues his slap and tickle with uhura. it's madness!!!! still a great bit of fun at the theater, especially in 3D. and isn't the fun what we're all looking for?

 

[CelticPredator]

I wanted a new story...yes...if you were talking to me.

I had fun. But was let down that I had to watch the climatic Wrath of Khan scene again. Zero emotional impact.