J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[a-dev]

Isn't there a timeline problem between X-men First Class and the original X-men trilogy? They are intended as the one and the same universe. First Class was not a remake, it was a prequel. But the school for mutants was set up too early at the end of it or something and supposedly Cyclops was one of the first students. Yet James Marsden in the first 3 X-men films is clearly too young to have been a student way back when young Xavier set up the school.

How are they getting around that in Days of Future Past. I haven't followed that thread.

 

[CelticPredator]

I was wondering what was the 'one problem' you mentioned you had. That be it then.

Yeah. Pretty much that. The big moment had no weight for me because i've seen it. And it was beat for beat.

 

[Gruson]

No, as far as the timeline, what we are seeing now is the Original Series era retold because the Nero change happened on the day Kirk was born.

Spoiler

Originally in the TV show the Enterprise found the Botany Bay ship with Khan frozen. This film changes it that Admiral Marcus finds him instead

This pre-dates even the time of the Shatner Kirk movies. Those too now won't happen in the way they originally did. Though technically V'ger and the Star Trek IV alien probe should still be en route. There seems no reason the Nero time incursion would have affected them. I doubt any future film will deal with these things again but a referance to them would be nice.

That's right. I only saw Trek 2009 once but I remember that now. Thanks.

 

[shockwave]

No, as far as the timeline, what we are seeing now is the Original Series era retold because the Nero change happened on the day Kirk was born.

Spoiler

Originally in the TV show the Enterprise found the Botany Bay ship with Khan frozen. This film changes it that Admiral Marcus finds him instead

This pre-dates even the time of the Shatner Kirk movies. Those too now won't happen in the way they originally did. Though technically V'ger and the Star Trek IV alien probe should still be en route. There seems no reason the Nero time incursion would have affected them. I doubt any future film will deal with these things again but a referance to them would be nice.

I agree a-dev that V'Ger is on his way and will enter Klingon space around the early 2270's (2271 I believe). The Nero temporary wave or something like that hasn't spread that far out into space.

Wow I just became a major Trek nerd in less than a minute....



Oh I have a crappy idea for the 3rd movie but that's for a future thread....

 

[crows]

This movie was so horrible that a packed theatre cheered once and clapped at the end, which NEVER happens around here.

 

[quadcent]

yup and when cheesy special effects and crap props looked good...A show that was truly ahead of its time, A show with Humanity(not too many IMHO can say that)...I remember fondly watching them 40something years ago...My father didnt like it so much...In fact If I remember all of the parents/older generation didnt care for it...I dont remember a soul over 30 yrs old back then that cared for it...To me Star Trek represented what Americans should truly become...even a hope was represented in the TOS IMHO

Well put, its hard to watch sometimes cause the effects are so bad compared to todays standards, but thats not the reason we or "I" do such things, and to compare each movie or series to one another and say they don't measure up isn't fair imo. Take each one on face value for what they're meant to be, to entertain us and make us dream.

Isn't that what Mr. Roddenbery wanted us to do????

 

[Adolfo]

Well put, its hard to watch sometimes cause the effects are so bad compared to todays standards, but thats not the reason we or "I" do such things, and to compare each movie or series to one another and say they don't measure up isn't fair imo. Take each one on face value for what they're meant to be, to entertain us and make us dream.

Isn't that what Mr. Roddenbery wanted us to do????

Very well said

 

[DarthNeil]

Oops. Alice Eve on Conan last night when setting up her clip referred to her character as

Spoiler

Carol Marcus even though the clip is the one where she's first introduced on the shuttlecraft as Carol Wallace-- sent by Admiral Marcus...

You could see her mouth oops as it went back to the show.

 

[Adolfo]

I dont remember that part...

 

[Adolfo]

This movie was so horrible that a packed theatre cheered once and clapped at the end, which NEVER happens around here.

I agree with the audience, good film

 

[a-dev]

Back in 94 Star Trek Generations got cheers and claps in the showing I went to but now apparently its one of the 'crap' ones. Not saying thats how its going to go with this one, but just saying.

 

[Adolfo]

Back in 94 Star Trek Generations got cheers and claps in the showing I went to but now apparently its one of the 'crap' ones. Not saying thats how its going to go with this one, but just saying.

I didnt think Generations was crap....When Kirk died quite a few cried ...I almost did...my mouth dropped even though I knew it was going to happen...It wasnt the saddest scene but the fact it was Kirk and in some degree the death of TOS crew on screen had to do with it....I thought the transition between the TOS and NG was done rather well...plus the NG had moments leading to the film too...Spock-Picard talking about Kirk for ex

 

[a-dev]

I didnt think Generations was crap....When Kirk died quite a few cried ...I almost did...my mouth dropped even though I knew it was going to happen...It wasnt the saddest scene but the fact it was Kirk and in some degree the death of TOS crew on screen had to do with it....I thought the transition between the TOS and NG was done rather well...plus the NG had moments leading to the film too...Spock-Picard talking about Kirk for ex

I quite like the film aswell actually. Major nostalgia factor coming into play admittedly, its one of the few times almost my whole family were at the cinema together. I think the only one missing was my dad. And I was by no means a big Trek fan at the time.

The effects are cool, I love the music, the Enterprise crash sequence is excellent to this day and I like the Kirk stuff. People who were hardcore back then were outraged at the way they killed him but myself being only a casual viewer then I didn't have a problem with it and just accepted it.

 

[CelticPredator]

It's kinda like The Phantom Menace effect. A lot of fans saw it, loved it...and as they watched it more, it got worse and worse.

It happens. I try to not let it. I see every movie twice, weather I loved it or not.

Unless I hated every second of it, then it really isn't worth it. But I might watch **** Hard 5 again for laughs.

 

[a-dev]

It's kinda like The Phantom Menace effect. A lot of fans saw it, loved it...and as they watched it more, it got worse and worse.

It happens. I try to not let it. I see every movie twice, weather I loved it or not.

Unless I hated every second of it, then it really isn't worth it. But I might watch **** Hard 5 again for laughs.

My relationship with Phantom Menace went like this. Initially thought it was great. Then thought it was a crime against humanity. Then, after seeing AOTC and ROTS, came to appreciate it on its merits as a fantasy adventure film while regarding the other 2 prequels as crimes against humanity (well...against Star Wars at least). And thats where I stand today. I find TPM the least aggravating of those films. I still don't include it in my personal Star Wars canon but I can watch it.

edit - and actually I do find a lot of redeeming sequences in AOTC. Few to none in ROTS.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

My relationship with Phantom Menace went like this. Initially thought it was great. Then thought it was a crime against humanity. Then, after seeing AOTC and ROTS, came to appreciate it on its merits as a fantasy adventure film while regarding the other 2 prequels as crimes against humanity (well...against Star Wars at least). And thats where I stand today. I find TPM the least aggravating of those films. I still don't include it in my personal Star Wars canon but I can watch it.

edit - and actually I do find a lot of redeeming sequences in AOTC. Few to none in ROTS.

I try to find a couple redeeming qualities in each of the prequel movies. I'll admit that they're just poorly created movies, but still fun to watch from time to time.

 

[abake]

Saw it last night and I absolutely loved it.

Yes, you could see a lot of the plot twists coming a mile away, but it didn't bother me one bit as it didn't make the movie any less enjoyable.

The characters were great and I like the way they stretch their personalities to extremes. How Kirk goes from "I'm infallible" to being totally helpless in his own bridge, or how Spock is at the same time more Spock than the first movie, but then goes berserk at the end. Great stuff.
I also loved all the littel nods to TOS and other movies.
The action was great, I loved the Klingons and I felt it was a great set-up for a full out confrontation in the next movie. I also really liked how they made a point of the Enterprise and its missions not being military in nature. Despite all the fighting, it is after all on scientific missions almost all of the time.

I had no problem with the reversal of characters in the final act or the "surprise" reveal.
Cumberbatch's character was great, his mind tricks were great to watch. Admiral Marcus was a bit under-written in my opinion, his motivations weren't all that clear, as was the sub-plot with the daughter, all a bit lazy in writing, which were probably my only negatives on this film.

 

[pauholmes]

HT should get the license and make Spock and Khan, that'll do

 

[CelticPredator]

My relationship with Phantom Menace went like this. Initially thought it was great. Then thought it was a crime against humanity. Then, after seeing AOTC and ROTS, came to appreciate it on its merits as a fantasy adventure film while regarding the other 2 prequels as crimes against humanity (well...against Star Wars at least). And thats where I stand today. I find TPM the least aggravating of those films. I still don't include it in my personal Star Wars canon but I can watch it.

edit - and actually I do find a lot of redeeming sequences in AOTC. Few to none in ROTS.

I sort of agree. I never went through that phase, as I was but a child when they came out.

I really hated Attack of the Clones from the get go though. I can't really find anything worth watching in that series of moving images. ROTS, is awful, but the final fight is cool....for 2 minutes. And then it becomes really boring.

TPM...is really dull, but it's visually non-offensive. It's prettier then the other two, and the final fight is pretty fun. Although pointless.

 

[crows]

It's kinda like The Phantom Menace effect. A lot of fans saw it, loved it...and as they watched it more, it got worse and worse.

It happens. I try to not let it. I see every movie twice, weather I loved it or not.

Unless I hated every second of it, then it really isn't worth it. But I might watch **** Hard 5 again for laughs.

I never liked any of the prequels.
I didn't hate them as much as everyone did eventually, but I remember being in the theater and just wanting to leave. Phantom Menace was just not entertaining for me.
I did really hate that kid...

I don't think I have watched Phantom Menace more than twice.