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I think they used makeup to make Montalban darker in the series and forgot to use it on him in Wrath, all he had was a reddish tan. Montalban is of European Spanish descent anyways.
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I think they used makeup to make Montalban darker in the series and forgot to use it on him in Wrath, all he had was a reddish tan. Montalban is of European Spanish descent anyways.
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This thread cracks me up! 
I just watched it... and was blown away just like the first one !
In fact... my wife, and her whole family (all ages over 40) freaking loved it! (I'm the only geek in the family)
I love the originals and I love this one just as much if not more.
I just watched it... and was blown away just like the first one !
In fact... my wife, and her whole family (all ages over 40) freaking loved it! (I'm the only geek in the family)
I love the originals and I love this one just as much if not more.
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This thread cracks me up!
I just watched it... and was blown away just like the first one !
In fact... my wife, and her whole family (all ages over 40) freaking loved it! (I'm the only geek in the family)
I love the originals and I love this one just as much if not more.
likewise...
Yeah, I guess your right. Elfman's Batman theme is pretty great.
But like you said Unbreakable was more moving an emotional. Great film, made better by a great score.
K07
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I enjoyed this film a lot more than I thought I would. I didn't want to go. I actually turned down a friend to go see it but I was asked again and since he asked to go for his birthday, it was a bit hard to turn him down.
I still don't care much for the guy who plays Kirk, but the rest did a pretty good job. I remember hating Scotty in the last one and didn't care much for the relationship between Spock and Uhura. Benedict Cumberbatch, who I was against playing who he was playing, did a great job with the part.
I still don't care much for the guy who plays Kirk, but the rest did a pretty good job. I remember hating Scotty in the last one and didn't care much for the relationship between Spock and Uhura. Benedict Cumberbatch, who I was against playing who he was playing, did a great job with the part.
Mad Old Lu
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Saw it this weekend and thought it was great. Only a couple of things bothered me.
SPOILERS AHEAD!
I just wish they would have found a different villain. They have a whole universe to mine, now that the slate has been washed clean by the reboot/time travel. They could have even come up with a new character. Instead they used the same villain from part 2 of the original film franchise. Very disappointing that they felt they had to use him again because (most likely) of the popularity of the original movie and character. That said, I liked the changes they made to the mythos of the character. I couldn't care less about the ethnicity, BTW. I thought Cumberbatch was chilling as the bad guy. Great stuff. I liked where they were headed when Kirk had to team up with Cumberbatch in order to defeat Marcus. In fact, I would have loved if Cumberbatch would have seen some quality in Kirk that would have made him have some respect and would have let him go, if only because he was amused by Kirk. I almost thought Khan would have let them go if Scotty hadn't shot him. I almost saw it like Khan felt personally betrayed and decided to kill Kirk and crew because of that. But I know I'm just projecting. I would have loved it if Khan had the upper hand and simply took the ship with his 72 and left (out of respect/amusement for Kirk), which would have left it open for a sequel.
I definitely didn't like the Kirk dying and reversal of roles from the original. I didn't like the fact that they felt they had to mirror the scene and it only showed how superior the original one was. This one simply did not have any emotional weight and felt insincere. Spock's "KHAAAAN!" was downright laughable--like a parody. As was Kirk kicking the core back in place. My wife actually laughed out loud at the scene.
If I ignore that one pivotal scene and just pretend Kirk didn't die and was just maybe in the process of dying, with his only hope being Khan's blood, I can enjoy the movie better.
But basically I thought the movie was great and I look forward to getting the BluRay!
And BTW, this thread is much more civilized than the Iron Man 3 thread! I had to leave there and haven't looked back since it was getting ridiculous.
SPOILERS AHEAD!
I just wish they would have found a different villain. They have a whole universe to mine, now that the slate has been washed clean by the reboot/time travel. They could have even come up with a new character. Instead they used the same villain from part 2 of the original film franchise. Very disappointing that they felt they had to use him again because (most likely) of the popularity of the original movie and character. That said, I liked the changes they made to the mythos of the character. I couldn't care less about the ethnicity, BTW. I thought Cumberbatch was chilling as the bad guy. Great stuff. I liked where they were headed when Kirk had to team up with Cumberbatch in order to defeat Marcus. In fact, I would have loved if Cumberbatch would have seen some quality in Kirk that would have made him have some respect and would have let him go, if only because he was amused by Kirk. I almost thought Khan would have let them go if Scotty hadn't shot him. I almost saw it like Khan felt personally betrayed and decided to kill Kirk and crew because of that. But I know I'm just projecting. I would have loved it if Khan had the upper hand and simply took the ship with his 72 and left (out of respect/amusement for Kirk), which would have left it open for a sequel.
I definitely didn't like the Kirk dying and reversal of roles from the original. I didn't like the fact that they felt they had to mirror the scene and it only showed how superior the original one was. This one simply did not have any emotional weight and felt insincere. Spock's "KHAAAAN!" was downright laughable--like a parody. As was Kirk kicking the core back in place. My wife actually laughed out loud at the scene.
If I ignore that one pivotal scene and just pretend Kirk didn't die and was just maybe in the process of dying, with his only hope being Khan's blood, I can enjoy the movie better.
But basically I thought the movie was great and I look forward to getting the BluRay!
And BTW, this thread is much more civilized than the Iron Man 3 thread! I had to leave there and haven't looked back since it was getting ridiculous.
shockwave
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Maybe Khan's hair will grow in the crotube? When he's thawed out again Khan will have the stylish 80's due. 
Poor Enterprise, everyship she encounters is always twice the size....
Remember Jango Fett, a Puerto Rican rights group think it was a dig at the increasing immigration of Puerto Ricans in the US because he was played by a Latino actor.
There's always someone complaining about stupid things with movies. Just like this "underwear" scene "scandal". I mean get a life people, it's only a movie. I wish people viewed them like they used to...as entertainment and a distraction.
lerath666
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I commented on this in another thread, and seeing how it applies here, thought i'd repost
Is it too much to ask that we get more of this out of our female characters in film and other media,
as opposed to generaly getting this?
By that, I mean characters with actual depth and character development, as opposed to just being eyecandy with daddie issues?
This was followed up by a comment of soeone pointing out thatto them, Kirk was Eye candy.
Lets be fair here.
New timeline Kirk IS eye candy to some people. but he's ALSO more than that.
He's got some character development. he has Some character period. we see him have a personality. he has reactions to things.
The pretty blonde girl... was a pretty blonde girl.
She was.... kinda a scientist. sorta. she had minimal lines, and was mostly there JUST to pose sexualy in her underwear, as well as a sex object for kirk to lust after. As well as to be torutured to get kirk to do what Benedict wanted. In essence, She was little more than a Prop for kirk to react to.
Oh.. right.. and to get slapped for back-talking a man.
She's a female sterotype, and a pretty bad one.
Compare her character in Into Darkness, to the version of her we got in Wrath of Khan, and I think you'll see what i mean
Uhura suffered from this as well, though to a lesser degree. She was little more than something for spock to react to this time around. A sounding board to make mr emotionless more relateable.
it's really.. REALLY sad to me that these writers don't know how to write good female characters.
No I don'tmind the minor titilation, so long as its not the ONLY reason that someone who is intended to be a MAIN SUPPORTING CHARACTER seems to exist.
Yes, the first one had the Green skinned woman, who served a similar point to kirk, but she was essentialy a background character, whom we really didn't need much else from.
She was Scene dressing.
Dr. Carol Marcus SHOULD be much more than that.
I'd Like to close by saying that on the whole I REALLY liked the movie, but it definitely has its weak points.
Is it too much to ask that we get more of this out of our female characters in film and other media,
as opposed to generaly getting this?
By that, I mean characters with actual depth and character development, as opposed to just being eyecandy with daddie issues?
This was followed up by a comment of soeone pointing out thatto them, Kirk was Eye candy.
Lets be fair here.
New timeline Kirk IS eye candy to some people. but he's ALSO more than that.
He's got some character development. he has Some character period. we see him have a personality. he has reactions to things.
The pretty blonde girl... was a pretty blonde girl.
She was.... kinda a scientist. sorta. she had minimal lines, and was mostly there JUST to pose sexualy in her underwear, as well as a sex object for kirk to lust after. As well as to be torutured to get kirk to do what Benedict wanted. In essence, She was little more than a Prop for kirk to react to.
Oh.. right.. and to get slapped for back-talking a man.
She's a female sterotype, and a pretty bad one.
Compare her character in Into Darkness, to the version of her we got in Wrath of Khan, and I think you'll see what i mean
Uhura suffered from this as well, though to a lesser degree. She was little more than something for spock to react to this time around. A sounding board to make mr emotionless more relateable.
it's really.. REALLY sad to me that these writers don't know how to write good female characters.
No I don'tmind the minor titilation, so long as its not the ONLY reason that someone who is intended to be a MAIN SUPPORTING CHARACTER seems to exist.
Yes, the first one had the Green skinned woman, who served a similar point to kirk, but she was essentialy a background character, whom we really didn't need much else from.
She was Scene dressing.
Dr. Carol Marcus SHOULD be much more than that.
I'd Like to close by saying that on the whole I REALLY liked the movie, but it definitely has its weak points.
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Well maybe hiring an actress, sorry actor, that could act would have been a good starting point...
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She didn't have anything to work with.
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No she didn't, but her performance had the subtlety of a Brillo pad. One sign of a decent actor is if they can look convincing doing nothing.
Not to get back on the James Horner thing but this is funny.
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tomandshell
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I would have liked more McCoy. If I had to find a little fault with these new Trek films, I'd have to say that I prefer the classic Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic. It seems that McCoy has been replaced by Uhura now for the sake of a love interest. It doesn't help that Urban does such a great job as Bones. Always leaves me wanting more.
Reinhardt
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I still feel that Uhura had more lines in the first movie than in all the original movies and original series combined...
How come everyone praises Urban as Bones for being a great impersonator of Deforrest Kelley and yet Pine and Cumberbatch get off the hook despite probably being the least like their original counterparts of the entire cast.
Reinhardt
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In watching some of the documentaries, it looked like the filmmakers were not necessarily looking to cast folks that would play the characters exactly like the originals. So while Pine showed some of Shatner's manneurisms, it wasn't something that they expected of him. What Pine has I guess, is the essence of Kirk, even though he still doesn't seem to know what the heck he is doing half the time.
As for Cumberbatch, in my mind, that wasn't Khan at all, just some villain that happened to be called Khan. He was very good, and very menacing, but I didn't have any expectations that he would play it as Montalban did, after seeing that the character was written to be almost nothing like the original.
As for Cumberbatch, in my mind, that wasn't Khan at all, just some villain that happened to be called Khan. He was very good, and very menacing, but I didn't have any expectations that he would play it as Montalban did, after seeing that the character was written to be almost nothing like the original.
It seems to me then why bother making him Khan. Its only natural that the audience will expect similarities and indeed that fans of the previous incarnation will want them.
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Boy I can't wait to hear from all the Star Wars critics in a few years!
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