J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[CollectorNC]

I think not. These guys need banning from film and TV.

I'd probably cut Damon L. more slack if he didn't always come across as a smug dude. Orci and Kurtzman...dunno. Should anyone forgive them for anything they touch?

 

[thecapn]

Just saw it over the weekend. Why did Abrams have the Enterprise underwater? What was the point? Does the movie have to not make sense right from the beginning?

1. Prime Directive - why were they even near the primitive planet to begin with?

2. Why not just orbit the planet since the primitive culture couldn't detect the ship in space and have Spock beamed to the volcano. They beam him out of the volcano.

3. If they need to use a shuttle craft (because they didn't think to use the transporters) why not leave Enterprise orbiting and have a much smaller ship come down in case natives are looking to the sky.

4. How did natives miss the Enterprise landing and submerging?

5. At what point does Spock care about the violation of PD? I mean, he was pretty annoyed when Kirk saved him. But was he annoyed when they parked the Enterprise under water, took out a shuttle, etc.?

They said the Enterprise's mission was just a "survey" to check out the planet. To be fair, Trek's done plenty of those before. Kirk decided to disobey the prime directive and try and save them. Could be Spock agreed only under the condition that the people not ever know about the Enterprise.

The underwater bit? Yeah, that was dumb. Should've been a shuttle all along. But they did make it clear that there was interference from the volcano's something or another that they couldn't use the transporter straight up.

 

[thecapn]

It seems visual aesthetic ruled over any common sense.

I mean, it was already established John Harrison was Khan and super strong. Why run from Spock over the container transports left over from Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith?

This is a good point I hadn't thought of before...especially since he earlier basically laughed at Spock because his ideals wouldn't let him throw a punch. He doesn't know Spock's PO'd and Kirk's dead, so he has no reason to believe Spock's gonna go off on him.

The only reason I can think of is to get away from a populated area so no one recognizes him. After all, his face is probably all over the news at that point. He already was trying to be incognito. We don't know what his plan was from there...hide out until he can rig up another transporter maybe? Keep blowing stuff up?

And yeah, I gave up on the spoiler tag lol.

 

[CollectorNC]

This is a good point I hadn't thought of before...especially since he earlier basically laughed at Spock because his ideals wouldn't let him throw a punch. He doesn't know Spock's PO'd and Kirk's dead, so he has no reason to believe Spock's gonna go off on him.

The only reason I can think of is to get away from a populated area so no one recognizes him. After all, his face is probably all over the news at that point. He already was trying to be incognito. We don't know what his plan was from there...hide out until he can rig up another transporter maybe? Keep blowing stuff up?

I'd grant you that IF he hadn't been winking at the camera earlier, walking around the bomb site of that building in the beginning, to where Kirk could zoom right in.

 

[CollectorNC]

Also, for the life of me, how long does it take Starfleet to have security forces respond to an attack on basically the "Pentagon" of Starfleet Command.

Now some complain that Harrison (Khan) in that small craft should have had torpedoes instead of laser cannons. That would make sense only if he was to kill EVERYONE there and clearly Admiral Marcus was NOT to be killed since he was pulling Khan's strings, so a more "surgical" attack was needed.

 

[Gully Foyle]

To be fair, Trek's done plenty of those before.

To be fair, this movie is STINO: Star Trek in name only.

Coming soon . . . . SWINO.


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[CollectorNC]

It's the best dress rehearsal for Abrams Star Wars Episode VII: Wrath of the Lens Flare.

 

[a-dev]

I'm not worried about Abrams doing Star Wars. This film is apparently horribly written which even its defenders admit but people are nevertheless really enjoying it. If Abrams can make a horribly written film enjoyable he should do a good job with a film that (hopefully) will be written in some way decently. Mercifully it won't be these guys. Although I think their **** ups would actually be more excusable in the more fantasy-based Star Wars than they are here.

 

[CollectorNC]

I'm not worried about Abrams doing Star Wars. This film is apparently horribly written which even its defenders admit but people are nevertheless really enjoying it. If Abrams can make a horribly written film enjoyable he should do a good job with a film that (hopefully) will be written in some way decently. Mercifully it won't be these guys. Although I think their **** ups would actually be more excusable in the more fantasy-based Star Wars than they are here.

Lindelof needs to get over himself already as do the studios.

 

[CelticPredator]

The problem with Damon is that he'll say after a movie gets flack "Oh i'm sorry, I ****ed up. I'm, I'm terrible, I suck, everyone hates me"

AND NEVER TRY TO BETTER HIMSELF. I don't get it. I really ****ing don't.

 

[FQRizzo]

I'm not worried about Abrams doing Star Wars. This film is apparently horribly written which even its defenders admit but people are nevertheless really enjoying it. If Abrams can make a horribly written film enjoyable he should do a good job with a film that (hopefully) will be written in some way decently. Mercifully it won't be these guys. Although I think their **** ups would actually be more excusable in the more fantasy-based Star Wars than they are here.

 

[screamingmetal]

The only real plot holes, IMHO, at this point, are:

1. The fact that it only took one day to get to Kronos

2. The behavior of the Vengeance and Enterprise at warp (how the heck did the weapons work, for one?)

3. How was the Enterprise able to call New Vulcan for advice but couldn't call Earth, which was right outside the window, for help? Is it like long distance being on while local calls are off?

4. Why didn't Starfleet send one of the other ships in the sector (and there were a bunch, their senior staff was in the meeting) to check out the battle?

1.It is strange that it took one day to get to Kronos, it should've taken several days. might have been a line addlibbed by Pegg as a joke and didn't think it through. You can just chalk it up to Scotty using a common phrase for effect.

2.The Vengeance was faster and just caught up to the Enterprise. I don't believe there is anything preventing a ship from using weapons at warp for a close range attack.

3.Star Trek communicates through relay stations. It couldn't been that coms were down just on or around Earth and not to the com. relay station to Vulcan. Still, it's a strange issue.

4.Yep, there should've been a bunch of ships showing up to face off with the Vengeance. But things could've got confusing with a bunch of ships showing up and sending communications and they also would have stopped the Enterprise from falling to Earth and the Vengeance from crashing into Starfleet HQ. But all this would've ruined the tension and drama of the film so that's why more ships didn't show up.

 

[screamingmetal]

It seems visual aesthetic ruled over any common sense.

I mean, it was already established John Harrison was Khan and super strong. Why run from Spock over the container transports left over from Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith?

Augments are 5 times stronger than Humans, Vulcans are 3 times stronger and just as smart as Augments. A fairer fight than it would be with a Human.

 

[a-dev]

1.It is strange that it took one day to get to Kronos, it should've taken several days. might have been a line addlibbed by Pegg as a joke and didn't think it through. You can just chalk it up to Scotty using a common phrase for effect.

Granted I still haven't seen it but from what I hear they go to warp (from Earth?) and a scene plays out lasting about 15 seconds (with no cuts to any different scene elsewhere which might have given an impression of a longer time passing) and they come out of warp at or near Kronos. 15 seconds. Scotty's line needn't even come into it.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ It's a pacing thing.

That scene would've been terrible had they padded it out to 5 minutes. That scene was more dramatic the way it played out.

 

[screamingmetal]

When the Enterprise gets shot out of warp by the Vengeance it ended up near our moon.

When the Enterprise comes to a sudden stop out of warp and everyone is suddenly thrown forward, the inertial dampeners are obviously not working therefore everyone on board should've been turned into big puddles of goo.

 

[CelticPredator]

And no one but nerds care.

 

[Wanderer]

And JJ has been handed the keys to episode VII? I've got a bad feeling about this...

 

[CelticPredator]

Why? He's one of the best blockbuster directors today. He'll do perfectly fine.

And if he ****s with the canon...so what? Star Wars is horrible now. The whole series can use a good shake up.

 

[a-dev]

^ It's a pacing thing.

That scene would've been terrible had they padded it out to 5 minutes. That scene was more dramatic the way it played out.

They could have had them go to warp in one scene and cut to another scene with a different set of characters elsewhere. It could have easily been a problem avoided. If you're going to just throw out anything that the previous Star Trek universe established for convenience then it shoulda been a total franchise reboot. Then it wouldn't matter, you'd just assume warp is even fastererererer in this new version of Star Trek