Jazzinc 1/6 Batman 1989 Batmobile

[The Buffinator]

Because with die-cast,
you’d see metal and its sheen, not opaque plastic.

Since they are not die-cast, they appear much more of a solid bronze than they ever should.

In other words, the solid color on plastic looks cheap
and knocks the realism we’re looking for here.
Tinted die-cast rims is what was needed here.

No one is talking about painting die-cast rims,
there shouldn’t be any paint covering them at all is my point.

While I agree that the finish on the plastic rims could be improved, I think higher gloss paint along with quality weathering could achieve that.

I get where you’re coming from wanting metal rims, but die-cast metal is typically pretty cheap with a dull finish. To get the inherent sheen that you’re suggesting may require a higher quality metal than is affordable for this type of project. I’m not sure that deleting sound effects and smoke would cover the cost difference.

 

[Nick D]

While I agree that the finish on the plastic rims could be improved, I think higher gloss paint along with quality weathering could achieve that.

I get where you’re coming from wanting metal rims, but die-cast metal is typically pretty cheap with a dull finish. To get the inherent sheen that you’re suggesting may require a higher quality metal than is affordable for this type of project. I’m not sure that deleting sound effects and smoke would cover the cost difference.

I’d be perfectly happy weathering the
die-cast rims myself if we were getting them.
Hell I’d even be fine if JazzInc wanted to charge
$200 more for the inclusion of them.

I can work with die-cast, not sure if I can make these opaque bronze rims look screen accurate, any shade of paint will just coat them which defeats the purpose of altering their color. We’ll never be able to make these sport a convincing metal finish.

I’m very curious to see if anyone decides to turn this into the Returns version with black rims. Of course it wouldn’t be entirely accurate without the wipers but imo it’d look better than this current bronze we’re getting.

 

[The Buffinator]

I’d be perfectly happy weathering the
die-cast rims myself if we were getting them.
Hell I’d even be fine if JazzInc wanted to charge
$200 more for the inclusion of them.

I can work with die-cast, not sure if I can make these opaque bronze rims look screen accurate, any shade of paint will just coat them which defeats the purpose of altering their color. We’ll never be able to make these sport a convincing metal finish.

I’m very curious to see if anyone decides to turn this into the Returns version with black rims. Of course it wouldn’t be entirely accurate without the wipers but imo it’d look better than this current bronze we’re getting.

You might have been willing to spend an additional $200 for them, but I'm guessing the majority of customers would have questioned the cost/benefit ratio. This thing is already @$1800. with shipping - $2K would have probably been a tipping point for many.

Thanks to the high # of pre-orders, Joost added quite a few features without increasing the price. I may have missed it but did you or anyone else request die-cast rims back when he could have entertained them? Regardless (and I don't want this to sound dismissive), at this point further discussion of how they may have been a better option is moot.

Given the recessed design of the rims and where I'll be displaying my batmobile (coffee table height with only overhead room lighting) I'm expecting plenty of shadows inside the rims. So for me I don't think they'll be a major point of focus anyway but only time will tell.

 

[Captain Clown]

I wouldn’t have swung this if it were any more expensive than it already is. I was just barely able to justify it.

 

[Adama]

 

[Rondesmo]

@Rondesmo didn't you mod your HT Batmobile with black rims? Must say I always thought that looked cool. I used to assume that was accurate.

@a-dev
Yeah exactly, I painted the rims satin black and the plastic sides of the tires in rubber black.

The HT stock silver rims was really toyish IMO and made the car shorter and bulky.

The car with the black nose was already a sort of hybrid so matching it with black rims was pretty cool IMO.

Modify a 600 $ was already « touchy », doing it on a 1800 $ is another thing IMO.

I won’t modify anything this time.
Personally I think the Jazzinc rim’s color is super cool.
I really like it. I don’t care if it’s 99,99% accurate, all I care is that Joost had access to the source material and did his best.

Seriously guys, this car is just awesome and a dream! It’s just the ultimate 89 Batmobile that will ever be done.

Any other manufacturer would have charged twice or 3 times the price for that.
Don’t understand all this drama…

When not over exposed, the rims looks awesome IMO…

 

[punisher1974]

This Batmobile by Joost is amazing. The level of detail really can't be beat. I am envious of all of you who are getting this. I have the hot toys one and I really like it but this one is really next level. I wish I could afford it and the Batwing he made as well but both are more than I can spend on them. I am glad Joost is making Burton Batman items though as I am figuring out which Catwoman to get. I will have to get Mayor Penguin too.

 

[vspectra]

@Nick D Man I'm still contemplating canceling. Been trying to find more pics and vids of in-hand users just to see how invisible or apparent the injection mold dents are and how much it'd bother me. Anytime there's some specular sheen they're going to show up. Are you still keeping yours?

 

[bman89]

Well, if you're going to spend $1800, what's another $1800 to hire a DP to light your dented Batmobile. Then, learn how to not tilt your head and you'll be fine. (Perhaps wear an 89 Batman cowl when looking at it?)

 

[hokietwo]

@Nick D Man I'm still contemplating canceling. Been trying to find more pics and vids of in-hand users just to see how invisible or apparent the injection mold dents are and how much it'd bother me. Anytime there's some specular sheen they're going to show up. Are you still keeping yours?


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I’m more distracted by that acid splotched Batsuit than the injection mold folds, I think the dents give the car some character.

Joost could have said nothing about the injection process and probably wouldn’t have bothered as many people. As he mentioned, the curves he was able to achieve are better at some angles than the original car could pull off with core moulds.

I’ll proudly display this with the batwing, 66, 95, the Plymo-triton and the OG justice mobile.

This car even with its nits makes the hot toys 89’ look like a matchbox toy.

 

[Nick D]

@Nick D Man I'm still contemplating canceling. Been trying to find more pics and vids of in-hand users just to see how invisible or apparent the injection mold dents are and how much it'd bother me. Anytime there's some specular sheen they're going to show up. Are you still keeping yours?

I am as well if I’m being honest.

Thankfully my order has been pushed to January so
I have a bit of time to see more examples of what it’ll be.

I think ultimately, I must see this reviewed in a Moducase DF120 with cool white lighting, as that’s what I own now (DF1801). If the dents and off-putting inaccurate rims are clearly visible in that setting, it’s a wrap.

They absolutely must not be visible in that setting as there’s zero ability to adjust the light that blankets it. I have more faith the rim color will be a bit more subtle under those conditions, but not injection molding, we’ll see. I mean, we’ve seen some major indentations by the wheel well (think BC review). That’s not something our minds made up all by themselves.

I will say, it’s odd we haven’t seen anyone review it like that, as that’s the obvious choice to display it in. I can’t believe some people will actually display this with no coverage, all of that dust, all in the cracks and crevices finding its way into the vents unable to ever be removed.

I will say, it’s annoying that people think we should expect any quality for $1,800 USD just because the car features details only JazzInc has implemented, that’s not a valid reason at all.

 

[bman89]

I am as well if I’m being honest.

Thankfully my order has been pushed to January so
I have a bit of time to see more examples of what it’ll be.

I think ultimately, I must see this reviewed in a Moducase DF120 with cool white lighting, as that’s what I own now (DF1801). If the dents and off-putting inaccurate rims are clearly visible in that setting, it’s a wrap.

They absolutely must not be visible in that setting as there’s zero ability to adjust the light that blankets it. I have more faith the rim color will be a bit more subtle under those conditions, but not injection molding, we’ll see. I mean, we’ve seen some major indentations by the wheel well (think BC review). That’s not something our minds made up all by themselves.

I will say, it’s odd we haven’t seen anyone review it like that, as that’s the obvious choice to display it in. I can’t believe some people will actually display this with no coverage, all of that dust, all in the cracks and crevices finding its way into the vents unable to ever be removed.

I will say, it’s annoying that people think we should expect any quality for $1,800 USD just because the car features details only JazzInc has implemented, that’s not a valid reason at all.

It is a very difficult decision. Like every one, I wanted this to be great so badly I was willing to forgive a lot. But, imho, those dents are not acceptable at any price point, much less $1800.

It is worth considering that at some point Jazz will almost certainly do a Returns vehicle. If that happens you can bet the number one concern among would-be buyers will be those dents. The wheels + turbine + mesh would also be black and not as controversial and the semigloss clear coat would be more accurate to the Returns vehicle. They may also address other defects and inaccuracies such as the brass bullets + their orientation, the lights in the cockpit, the magnetic emblems, and the locking mechanisms on the guns. A canopy that actually locks and isn’t just gently held in place by silicone feet would also be nice but, who knows.

I think your last remark is spot-on. It’s great that the Jazz Inc Batmobile is the correct length and shape, and there are other details that are admirable (the lettering on the tires, the bolts on the gun covers) but sadly these things don’t outweigh the inaccuracies + manufacturing defects. We all want to believe but in our heart of hearts, if we search our feelings, we know the truth.

 

[dondiegomasked]

It is a very difficult decision. Like every one, I wanted this to be great so badly I was willing to forgive a lot. But, imho, those dents are not acceptable at any price point, much less $1800.

It is worth considering that at some point Jazz will almost certainly do a Returns vehicle. If that happens you can bet the number one concern among would-be buyers will be those dents. The wheels + turbine + mesh would also be black and not as controversial and the semigloss clear coat would be more accurate to the Returns vehicle. They may also address other defects and inaccuracies such as the brass bullets + their orientation, the lights in the cockpit, the magnetic emblems, and the locking mechanisms on the guns. A canopy that actually locks and isn’t just gently held in place by silicone feet would also be nice but, who knows.

I think your last remark is spot-on. It’s great that the Jazz Inc Batmobile is the correct length and shape, and there are other details that are admirable (the lettering on the tires, the bolts on the gun covers) but sadly these things don’t outweigh the inaccuracies + manufacturing defects. We all want to believe but in our heart of hearts, if we search our feelings, we know the truth.

What a couple of “Debbie Downers!”

I reserve the right to make up my own mind. This car is a _masterpiece_ as far as I can tell. The “dents” you refer to are hardly dents; they are just very minor mold imperfections that can be found in almost any everyday object in this modern world. Most people never notice these.

I wouldn’t hold out hope for a ‘92 version that’ll manage to eliminate your “dents” any time soon.

But don’t let me stop you from holding your breath.

Z

 

[bman89]

Those rose-colored glasses look good on you. I used to own a pair myself.

But seriously, no one is trying to rain on your parade. If you think the value for money is there and it's a piece you'll enjoy, that's great, go for it.

And why is it when they do something wrong they're "my dents"? They're your dents too.

 

[Nick D]

What a couple of “Debbie Downers!”

I reserve the right to make up my own mind. This car is a _masterpiece_ as far as I can tell. The “dents” you refer to are hardly dents; they are just very minor mold imperfections that can be found in almost any everyday object in this modern world. Most people never notice these.

I wouldn’t hold out hope for a ‘92 version that’ll manage to eliminate your “dents” any time soon.

But don’t let me stop you from holding your breath.

Z

You can’t be serious.
If this was Hot Toys’ doing, you’d **** all over it.

 

[Dave_W]

So the bumps in the paint make it go from full gloss to satin. Neat trick

 

[dondiegomasked]

And why is it when they do something wrong they're "my dents"? They're your dents too.

No. They are not dents. I put that in quotes for you for a reason. I do not accept your use of the term.

What we _can_ see are actually only minor surface discrepancies due to the pressure the mold makes and the hardness (or lack) of the plastic. This manifests as nano level variations in the surfaces, which can never resolve as optically flat. These angstrom scale variations in depth reflect light at different angles which we may see as a different shade. They are not dents.

Z

 

[bman89]

Yikes. Well, if there's anything positive to be said about the dents, they would help take the focus off the botched paint job.

I really like Joost and what he's trying to offer, but perhaps it's time for Jazz to find new manufacturing partners who are more skilled and have higher standards when it comes to quality control.

 

[bman89]

No. They are not dents. I put that in quotes for you for a reason. I do not accept your use of the term.

What we _can_ see are actually only minor surface discrepancies due to the pressure the mold makes and the hardness (or lack) of the plastic. This manifests as nano level variations in the surfaces, which can never resolve as optically flat. These angstrom scale variations in depth reflect light at different angles which we may see as a different shade. They are not dents.

Z

Respectfully, just listen to yourself. This is insanity. You're literally describing the word dent:

 

[Nick D]

perhaps it's time for Jazz to find new manufacturing partners who are more skilled and have higher standards when it comes to quality control.

He’s stated a lot of them are ex Hot Toys & InArt people, I guess we know why they didn’t make the cut huh.

Not to mention Joost tried to shame me into canceling my own PO due to mentioning these issues here.

I told him I didn’t want to eat a $300 deposit which is the reason he’s offering people full refunds, you’re welcome everyone. Even bragging about how no one cancelled, eventually, people did.