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Yeah this is a bit overwhelming and much more intense and divided than doing vehicles
Jazzinc Dioramas 1/6 Ultimate Catwoman (Batman Returns, 1992)
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Hopefully it doesn't put you off making more figures after this.
We still need a Zoe Kravitz Catwoman
How about a proper magnetic base featuring a snow covered concrete wet base top as the standard base, reserving the luxury diorama for the Ultimate Deluxe Two Pack.
Removal of the Standard edition at $300 USD allows you not to worry about trying to cut it so close by spreading your resources so thin.
What’s $150 USD more if it means a proper uninhibited release?
Personally I think anything $350
and under would be a spayed release, so why offer it.
It hinders everyone involved, if $400+ is too much then there will be other options eventually. If people want to know the honest answer, Full Metal would have charged you easily that very $300 USD if you were to get those claws from him directly.
Could of bought this Catwoman with the Ledger knife I purchased.
With both the individual releases being $450 along with the two pack being $900, that equals out both ways for the collector to decide what bases they want for the same unaltered $900 USD either route they want to take. In total you’re looking at a clean three SKU release spread.
Removal of the Standard edition at $300 USD allows you not to worry about trying to cut it so close by spreading your resources so thin.
What’s $150 USD more if it means a proper uninhibited release?
- Standard Clean - $450 USD
- Standard Battle Damaged - $450 USD
- Ultimate Deluxe Two Pack - $900 USD
Personally I think anything $350
and under would be a spayed release, so why offer it.
It hinders everyone involved, if $400+ is too much then there will be other options eventually. If people want to know the honest answer, Full Metal would have charged you easily that very $300 USD if you were to get those claws from him directly.
Could of bought this Catwoman with the Ledger knife I purchased.
With both the individual releases being $450 along with the two pack being $900, that equals out both ways for the collector to decide what bases they want for the same unaltered $900 USD either route they want to take. In total you’re looking at a clean three SKU release spread.
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Chopper Face
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InArt went through the exact same thing.
Every new (to 1/6) company initially thinks customer interaction is a great idea to set them apart from the big dogs until an avalanche of feedback buries them in every conceivable viewpoint from a ‘community’ who argues about literally everything.
The best idea will be in the pile somewhere; you just need the willpower to dig through everything else to find it.
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We’ve officially lost the plot.
Joost, do what you think will work and be profitable for you while delivering a definitive, awesome figure of Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. At this point you’ve received a metric ton of feedback to sift through and pick what works, as well as your own.
Sean’s sculpts look great. Viola’s paint and hairing in the newest video looks great. Inigo’s diorama looks great. The choice for a sculpted corset looks great. The material for the bodysuit looks great.
You’ve been making great decisions here. While I didn’t agree with painted eyes, after seeing Sean’s sculpt for the livid battle damaged Catwoman gritting her teeth with wild eyes, and the sculpt where she’s breaking down crying to herself, I get it. I’m happy with it after seeing the results you’ve shown.
The initial constructive criticism that was provided after the very first renders / painted sample was shown helped and improved the product, but now some of the feedback has gotten completely asinine. There’s absolutely no way you’d even have a chance to please everyone, but sadly because people feel that they’re heard, even those with bad opinions, they feel that you should anyway, somehow.
Running a poll for the expressions would be cool, but at this point it’ll feel like a loss if we lose any head sculpts shown so far - the newest “clean” sculpt has a fantastic likeness to Pfeiffer, and could have more display potential than something like the tongue-out sculpt, but even that one looks great, so I don’t want to lose it either. I don’t think any result would satisfy anyone there, unless you were to sell additional heads later on - maybe bundled with the unmasked Pfeiffer head that might be sold separately?
Just do what you think is best and will lead to a truly definitive 1/6 scale Catwoman that’ll fill the void in our existing Batman figure collections. It already blows the Eternal Toys one out of the water, and we haven’t even seen it finished.
Joost, do what you think will work and be profitable for you while delivering a definitive, awesome figure of Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. At this point you’ve received a metric ton of feedback to sift through and pick what works, as well as your own.
Sean’s sculpts look great. Viola’s paint and hairing in the newest video looks great. Inigo’s diorama looks great. The choice for a sculpted corset looks great. The material for the bodysuit looks great.
You’ve been making great decisions here. While I didn’t agree with painted eyes, after seeing Sean’s sculpt for the livid battle damaged Catwoman gritting her teeth with wild eyes, and the sculpt where she’s breaking down crying to herself, I get it. I’m happy with it after seeing the results you’ve shown.
The initial constructive criticism that was provided after the very first renders / painted sample was shown helped and improved the product, but now some of the feedback has gotten completely asinine. There’s absolutely no way you’d even have a chance to please everyone, but sadly because people feel that they’re heard, even those with bad opinions, they feel that you should anyway, somehow.
Running a poll for the expressions would be cool, but at this point it’ll feel like a loss if we lose any head sculpts shown so far - the newest “clean” sculpt has a fantastic likeness to Pfeiffer, and could have more display potential than something like the tongue-out sculpt, but even that one looks great, so I don’t want to lose it either.
I don’t think any result would satisfy anyone there, unless you were to sell additional heads later on - maybe bundled with the unmasked Pfeiffer head that might be sold separately?Just do what you think is best and will lead to a truly definitive 1/6 scale Catwoman that’ll fill the void in our existing Batman figure collections. It already blows the Eternal Toys one out of the water, and we haven’t even seen it finished.
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Which brings us back to @Wor-Gar's suggestion that Joost only listen to 3-5 people on this forum.....provided one of those people is ME! (Which is what everyone who agreed with his post was thinking.)
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I like it!
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Joost knows his typical customer base have money.
Most 1/6 collectors are getting acclimatised to higher InArt prices for a little added quality and hair, and JND are attempting to make us comfortable spending custom money on silicone.
I think the market is primed to expect that, if we want a quality, definitive release, it’s going to cost more than the average HT.
I’d be fully onboard with Nick’s 3 tier suggestion and it would make placing a PO on any set much less of a gamble. I’d probably be guaranteed to get the ‘Ultimate.’
The only additional consideration would be to also sell the diorama separately so single figure buyers could have it.
Everyone could get exactly what they wanted then without compromise.
Most 1/6 collectors are getting acclimatised to higher InArt prices for a little added quality and hair, and JND are attempting to make us comfortable spending custom money on silicone.
I think the market is primed to expect that, if we want a quality, definitive release, it’s going to cost more than the average HT.
I’d be fully onboard with Nick’s 3 tier suggestion and it would make placing a PO on any set much less of a gamble. I’d probably be guaranteed to get the ‘Ultimate.’
The only additional consideration would be to also sell the diorama separately so single figure buyers could have it.
Everyone could get exactly what they wanted then without compromise.
Is it clear though? If Joost let me pick the sculpt for the standard/basic clean & BD releases I'd choose paying $375-$400 for each ($750-$800 in total) rather than spend the extra $$ to get additional sculpts I likely won't use and a fancy base I don't need. And I'm likely not the only one who feels this way. Plus no doubt there are many who simply want a clean, iconic looking Catwoman that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. They'll likely pay more than Joost's initial target of $300 to get one, but 50% more? That might make them wait to see what HT and InArt will do.
It’s three headsculpts, (battle damaged has hair) a seamless silicone body with real stitch work throughout on a durable material with accurate sheen, a whip (possibly can look into using real materials instead of plastic) metal claws and a classy magnetic base.
Hot Toys is not giving us this for under $400.
You’re probably in the minority in only wanting one sculpt per figure for a Pfieffer Catwoman, most would like to exercise her unique expressions. If we’re not getting rolling eyes, then this is far better than faceplates.
Joost has expressed concern about two sculpts for that low price point and cherry picking the best product in a single sculpt standard makes everything else he has to offer less desirable in the grand package. He needs the other product to be desirable in order for those of us who want a $450 Catwoman to be achievable.
The numbers don’t compare when you sell 100 deluxe vs 100 standard. This thing may be pretty popular for JazzInc, but they’re not closing 15k orders here first release I’m sure. I hope they do, he clearly tosses every cent, nickel and dime into resources to better his product. Ask him how much he’s made from the soon to be released Batmobile.
With the standard having three sculpts it’s still not locking your desired headsculpt behind the highest tier, you’re getting two more for an extra $150 and who knows what else he’ll throw in, he does that quite often.
Hot Toys is not giving us this for under $400.
You’re probably in the minority in only wanting one sculpt per figure for a Pfieffer Catwoman, most would like to exercise her unique expressions. If we’re not getting rolling eyes, then this is far better than faceplates.
Joost has expressed concern about two sculpts for that low price point and cherry picking the best product in a single sculpt standard makes everything else he has to offer less desirable in the grand package. He needs the other product to be desirable in order for those of us who want a $450 Catwoman to be achievable.
The numbers don’t compare when you sell 100 deluxe vs 100 standard. This thing may be pretty popular for JazzInc, but they’re not closing 15k orders here first release I’m sure. I hope they do, he clearly tosses every cent, nickel and dime into resources to better his product. Ask him how much he’s made from the soon to be released Batmobile.
With the standard having three sculpts it’s still not locking your desired headsculpt behind the highest tier, you’re getting two more for an extra $150 and who knows what else he’ll throw in, he does that quite often.
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I look forward to this new figure. Jazzinc is doing an incredible job so far.
I had to sign in my old azz account (that I haven’t been using for YEARS) to put in my thoughts on this new project.
Here are my thoughts, and I think they’ll be beneficial to both Jazzinc and the customers, so not too much stress is put on the company for making it. It’s their first figure!
1. DO NOT make any eyeball rolling system! It’s too much work, and the accuracy will be lost. It’s fine with Batman, because he doesn’t move his head that much and his black eye makeup will hide the shape, but not Catwoman. The likeness will look off again, because the eyeballs are too smooth and perfectly circular.
2. Even though the seamless body is amazing, especially for realistic head sculpts, but I think a normal non-seamless action figure body would’ve been preferred. The body’s seams will be covered up by the outfit anyway. A seamless body is going to get stained by the outfit and it probably will risk cracking overtime. Suit will stain a normal articulated body, too, but at least it won’t crack/tear. I’m eyeing Eternal Toys Cat Lady because it seems to have regular non-seamless action figure body underneath.
3. The standard should not be “only” $300 and I think we all prefer more than just one head. Two heads and $350 would be nice, I think. Faceplates are cool, but again, probably too much work, and would be much better if the standard version just has two separate heads with different expressions. But hey, what do I know?
4. Put in a few extra claws (like 2 extras) in case some collectors loose them. Basically a total of 12 claws.
5. Leave the tongue-out licking head for the deluxe. I prefer neutral and action face for standard. About the licking head, I think her eyes need to be closed?
I had to sign in my old azz account (that I haven’t been using for YEARS) to put in my thoughts on this new project.
Here are my thoughts, and I think they’ll be beneficial to both Jazzinc and the customers, so not too much stress is put on the company for making it. It’s their first figure!
1. DO NOT make any eyeball rolling system! It’s too much work, and the accuracy will be lost. It’s fine with Batman, because he doesn’t move his head that much and his black eye makeup will hide the shape, but not Catwoman. The likeness will look off again, because the eyeballs are too smooth and perfectly circular.
2. Even though the seamless body is amazing, especially for realistic head sculpts, but I think a normal non-seamless action figure body would’ve been preferred. The body’s seams will be covered up by the outfit anyway. A seamless body is going to get stained by the outfit and it probably will risk cracking overtime. Suit will stain a normal articulated body, too, but at least it won’t crack/tear. I’m eyeing Eternal Toys Cat Lady because it seems to have regular non-seamless action figure body underneath.
3. The standard should not be “only” $300 and I think we all prefer more than just one head. Two heads and $350 would be nice, I think. Faceplates are cool, but again, probably too much work, and would be much better if the standard version just has two separate heads with different expressions. But hey, what do I know?
4. Put in a few extra claws (like 2 extras) in case some collectors loose them. Basically a total of 12 claws.
5. Leave the tongue-out licking head for the deluxe. I prefer neutral and action face for standard. About the licking head, I think her eyes need to be closed?
I'll admit that I think ALL of the BD sculpts are excellent and I'll pay for them with no regrets if I have to, but conversely I'm feeling pretty meh about all 3 clean sculpts right now. I'm still pretty confident that Joost will make sure at least one of them will look great by the time we have to order but less so about the other two, which is the impetus for my suggesting that he allow us to select which sculpt we want for a basic release.
You want all three heads to be available at the appropriately priced margin. Why put up to gamble which two of the six get locked behind the two pack.
If it turns out I just want the BD version, I’d be pretty bummed to have to spend $900 to get any one of the three here, were any of them to be exclusive to the highest tier.
If it turns out I just want the BD version, I’d be pretty bummed to have to spend $900 to get any one of the three here, were any of them to be exclusive to the highest tier.
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I agree about likeness, so far, Battle Damaged is the clear home run but I gotta see suit progress!
At least you know that all the knuckleheads in here (myself included of course) that are constantly debating the in and outs of the process and the figure will be buying your Catwoman. So... there's that...
If he gets as many orders as we’ll have pages in this thread come the end of September he’ll be swimming in money lol.
At least you know that all the knuckleheads in here (myself included of course) that are constantly debating the in and outs of the process and the figure will be buying your Catwoman. So... there's that...
I hope its big for Joost. Huge! I can't even begin to understand the number he'll need to be successful, but I hope he hits that and more.
Are they going to make a zoe Kravitz Catwoman? That would be awesome!Hopefully it doesn't put you off making more figures after this.
We still need a Zoe Kravitz Catwoman
After the ‘89 suit, Begins suit and fully diecast Tumbler.
I haven’t even displayed my V2 HT Tumbler yet. Wish this was the next vehicle instead of The Animated Series version.
