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Following the disappointment of their Joker release, now I'm convinced this company is a joke. This has to be the dumbest 1/6 offering that I've seen. Not to mention Inart will easily surpass this in both quality and value. Heck, the Hot Toys DX19 looks better as it is, let alone customized at less than what it costs to get the JND Bruce Wayne. And the sculpt on that looks like it needs considerable work too, and doesn't remotely reflect the asking price.

JND is a luxury brand. Their target audience is primarily interested in "status" of ownership, rather than the sentiment and the craftsmanship and the appreciation of the art itself. And JND is content with that, and the set will sell. So don't expect much from this company going forward. They clearly don't understand this market, nor the appeal.
 
Following the disappointment of their Joker release, now I'm convinced this company is a joke. This has to be the dumbest 1/6 offering that I've seen.
I’m not sure it was the dumbest. IMO, that honor went to the HT armory that is currently on sale. They pioneered slipping in a statue, rather than an actual action figure. JND just flipped the script and swapped out which character was the statue.

Still, for the price and the expectations they set, I agree that the JND offering was a spectacular failure.
 
that honor went to the HT armory that is currently on sale. They pioneered slipping in a statue, rather than an actual action figure
The statue in question makes sense. That cross armed Bruce Wayne could never work as an articulated piece, and that's the ideal pose for that figure. It's also secondary to the main attraction of the set, and you're still getting everything at a far better price than the JND Bruce Wayne by itself.

Not to mention the suited figure from Hot Toys is still better. And I'm no Hot Toys apologist. I hate those ******* 😆
 
That sculpt is more Machinist than Bruce with how gaunt it looks.

And so the almighty JND already stumbles out of the gate, weighed down by their own hubris.

Didn't take long for people to turn on 'em.
 
Obviously I don’t mean an entire custom figure with sculpt, hands, suit, body etc. But what I do mean, is that I’d gladly pay $500 for the Iris Bruce Wayne suit, or $420 for the Yunsil bank robber 2.0 suit, than to be content with the quality of a Bruce Wayne suit from either JND or InArt. They’re just not going to go the extra mile for you to that degree, so they pad out releases with other things instead. The rags matter so very much to me for a figure, most here seem to not be bothered by it though. If I’m spending this kind of money, and can’t even enjoy the suit that makes up 80%+ of a figure, then I can’t just quickly forget about it because some random diorama is included.

I mentioned I was told first hand by the artist who tailored the InArt Phoenix Joker red suit, that they’re contractually obligated to no longer make their own run of it for custom collectors, because they’ve already done it for InArt. That bothers me, instead of being able to make multiple samples and dedicate the time and passion into getting it right, to then make a small run of a beautifully crafted suit, they just make a prototype for InArt, then move on. So now you’re robbed from them and their teams quality of work on a small scale, to having to rely on InArt, to mass produce it in hopes it’ll come out the same, which it won’t. I get it you guys hate customs, so it doesn’t matter to you, but it matters to me. These companies are sourcing a lot of custom artists, then stopping customers from getting their true quality of work.
InArt outsources custom artists to tailor their prototypes, custom artists to specifically root their hair, paint sculpts, my buddy is currently waiting on a full 2019 Joker custom project from the guy who roots InArts prototype headsculpts, he’s been waiting since 2021 with nothing to show for his expensive investment, only getting thrown around on when the project will finally materialize and ship because that artist is caught up with his new work for InArt, so the project he hasn’t gotten shipped out yet, is already severely dated compared to other releases and custom runs.
 
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I'd have to disagree. I'm not getting this, but the Bale sculpt looks pretty great in the official pics to me 🤔 One of the best Bale sculpts we've gotten, official or custom IMO.

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Now the below, on the other hand... yea, that looks bad and pretty laughable.

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It'd be so much better if the nose wasn't that thin and small. It just looks off to me.

I've send that before, but all I can see is Bale if he was a Gythyanki in Baldur's Gate.

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So...jnd made a joker figure and a Batman statue...why didn't they make Batman an actual figure?
They need to stick to their melted wax 1/3 statues.
 
Nice to see someone sculpt Bale wih his mouth shut and lips together.

I hate all the derpy mouth-breather sculpts we keep getting.
JND has a second sculpt for Bale with his mouth closed but the likeness slips further on that one than the open mouth version. Feel like they're making him look way older than he was in the film.

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Feel like they're making him look way older than he was in the film.

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I agree, that’s the common issue with Bale sculpts and paint work, no one seems to be able to find the sweet spot between Begins and Rises, his face changed a good bit throughout the trilogy. Most make him far too old for TDK Bale. I feel like Yelim has come the closest to capturing it but still not 100%

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JND has a second sculpt for Bale with his mouth closed but the likeness slips further on that one than the open mouth version. Feel like they're making him look way older than he was in the film.

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I also think they make him look more like a villain
 
Alot of artists overcharge and take way too long, I'm gonna name a few artists I've had experience with and gonna give them a shout out, but one of my go to artists for painting is LYactionfigurecustom, who only charges somewhere between 50-100$ depending on the difficulty. I've also had Duke Avocado (Goodluck studios) do a couple paint and root jobs for me for $400, which I think is reasonable for the quality you're getting.

I wont lie I've bought recasts off of eBay before and it was surprisingly excellent in quality (maybe I got lucky), but I've bought custom sculpts with paint from ForestTotem who charged me $245 for a Geralt and I'm getting a custom sculpt with paint of Guts from Statsmann custom works, who gonna charge me $165.

But yeah I think it depends where you look and what you're after exactly, I've had custom heads done by multiple artists to a high standard. The headsculpt is the soul of the figure for me and I'm willing to pay for it, clothing is a different story though and I cant really justify spending custom prices on it and will usually just try and and something close off on eBay.

Again it depends what you're after and if you want that accuracy you'll have to pay big $ on it, but I'm glad a company like IA exists, I've not seen a company produce such amazing and realistic custom level quality work, they offer the whole package for the price imo. JND, I wont lie I'm not a fan of them and I don't see the value, at least the Joker had rooted hair and a ton of accessories, this Baleman seemed almost barebones and is non-posable.

Thanks for sharing those names @Akiratang :hi5: I'll have to look them up. Those are definitely more affordable prices than what I've heard from some of the "big name" custom artists. I definitely wasn't trying to say that there aren't a lot of good, affordable painters out there, but there is a bit of you get what you pay for at times. I don't mean that in the negative, but being realistic. Like you said, it depends on what you're after and you tend to have to pay big money for it. There's an artist I like in the US that I will probably use in the future, but I also realize they aren't Yelim, 357partment level or even Jacob Rahmier or Silent Surfer level.


Obviously I don’t mean an entire custom figure with sculpt, hands, suit, body etc. But what I do mean, is that I’d gladly pay $500 for the Iris Bruce Wayne suit, or $420 for the Yunsil bank robber 2.0 suit, than to be content with the quality of a Bruce Wayne suit from either JND or InArt. They’re just not going to go the extra mile for you to that degree, so they pad out releases with other things instead. The rags matter so very much to me for a figure, most here seem to not be bothered by it though. If I’m spending this kind of money, and can’t even enjoy the suit that makes up 80%+ of a figure, then I can’t just quickly forget about it because some random diorama is included.

I mentioned I was told first hand by the artist who tailored the InArt Phoenix Joker red suit, that they’re contractually obligated to no longer make their own run of it for custom collectors, because they’ve already done it for InArt. That bothers me, instead of being able to make multiple samples and dedicate the time and passion into getting it right, to then make a small run of a beautifully crafted suit, they just make a prototype for InArt, then move on. So now you’re robbed from them and their teams quality of work on a small scale, to having to rely on InArt, to mass produce it in hopes it’ll come out the same, which it won’t. I get it you guys hate customs, so it doesn’t matter to you, but it matters to me. These companies are sourcing a lot of custom artists, then stopping customers from getting their true quality of work.
InArt outsources custom artists to tailor their prototypes, custom artists to specifically root their hair, paint sculpts, my buddy is currently waiting on a full 2019 Joker custom project from the guy who roots InArts prototype headsculpts, he’s been waiting since 2021 with nothing to show for his expensive investment, only getting thrown around on when the project will finally materialize and ship because that artist is caught up with his new work for InArt, so the project he hasn’t gotten shipped out yet, is already severely dated compared to other releases and custom runs.

Well, this is totally different point than the argument you made previously of "if they're going to charge custom prices, they need to have custom quality." they clearly aren't doing that but they are slowly closing the gap between custom and mass produced items, at least InArt is which is a step in the right direction for all of us. At the end of the day, they aren't charging custom prices but they are slowly getting closer to custom quality.

If you or anyone is fine with paying for the custom quality that's your prerogative. I've done it before and currently doing it now wit a few custom Bond suits, Raiders Indy set and others. That doesn't mean I like to pay those custom prices but I will for the character just as you will for a character you love. But it's a choice. To say we all hate customs just b/c we're not as annoyed as you are at the things you've mentioned above is a bit of an exaggeration as there's a lot of guys who order officially licensed stuff that also buy custom stuff so we know about the price and/or quality differences. And let's not pretend that custom stuff is infallible either. Everyone feels they have the best custom suit for X character until the next tailor comes a long and does something different that is supposedly more accurate than the last one they just spent $500 on and everyone flocks to that new one in the same manner most ppl do with an official 2.0 product :lol

I do think though that there is an understanding to a certain degree that you can still get good quality w/o paying custom prices. May not be as exact to the same exact color code etc that was used on the real film suit/props but they are close enough for a lot of ppl. That's not you obviously and that's fine, nothing wrong with that. Heck, I was annoyed that InArt didn't go as far as both Asmus and Sideshow with Gandalf's pants with the leaf pattern, but everyone else didn't care, including InArt who basically said that you can't really see it so it doesn't matter :lol it still annoys me having it in hand now particularly knowing that they knew about it and chose not to include it. But, you gotta pick your battles sometimes and try to find what's good about something rather only seeing what's wrong.

Also, in the grand scheme of things, yea they (InArt and JND) may be stopping some ppl from getting the full extent of the artist's custom quality work due to contract obligations, but it's like what? 15, 30, maybe 50 people max compared to arguably thousands who will now be able to purchase a full figure. I mean look at how small and expensive the Hwa TDK Joker run is going to be compared to the thousands of full figures being sold. So yea, it sucks for you and the others who would pay through the nose for those bits, but those numbers are small compared to the more ppl, by proxy, that will be able to enjoy the custom tailor's work to a certain degree.

I know you're upset particularly about Phoenix Joker, but Kit already told us that InArt is basically making very little money on the sets which means they probably didn't have the budget to continually go back to to the tailor to revise this and that on the prototype w/o making the set cost even more. While I'm sure you might've been fine to pay a little more to get a better suit as well as some others, when you look at how many ppl are out just from how much the sets currently cost, you have to believe that even more ppl would be out if the cost was even higher. The higher the cost, the smaller your pool of customers get and at a certain point the company won't be making a profit but instead taking a loss due to the numbers not doing what they had hoped. And just b/c someone pre-orders, it doesn't mean they'll stick it out and pay up when the time comes. Heck, some folks seem to already be having buyers remorse.

It'd be so much better if the nose wasn't that thin and small. It just looks off to me.

I've send that before, but all I can see is Bale if he was a Gythyanki in Baldur's Gate.

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JND has a second sculpt for Bale with his mouth closed but the likeness slips further on that one than the open mouth version. Feel like they're making him look way older than he was in the film.

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It's strange the eyebrowsn the eyes and nose remind me of Tom Cruise.
 
What I meant is, I’d rather pay $500 for just the suit expertly tailored, than $1,500 for a set that has a lot of bits I don’t want. I realize that I’m in the minority for that, but at the end of the day, it’s just about seeking out the best quality.

When artists are being picked up left and right, leaving the people who love their work nothing because of a contract, that stings. Yunsil has back log, and only works with original run organizers. The Nightt47 Joker 2019 Yunsil project is going on 5 years and nothing from Nightt47, he’s held onto 13k of deposits and is virtually a ghost. I’m not on that run, but now that means she’ll never make that suit for anyone unless he comes forth with the deposits after clearing up all of his other agreements with her, she only does one project at a time per organizer. Her & her team are out of the picture for Phoenix indefinitely.

Iris is the same in regards to remaking 2.0s, only green lights with og organizer sign off approval. Now this tailor is out of the runnings due to working for InArt on it. Addblue charges way too much for his work.

I understand this Phoenix Joker from InArt is helping people obtain him, and that’s great, but I would like them to make it the best they can if they’re going to use up resources everyone else can no longer use. They’ve got a lot of back logged product and need to focus on getting all of that out before throwing out 4 packs and the like, doesn’t seem to me that they’re on strict limited resources, they’ve randomly produced a detonator for a Joker that’s been over and done with for how long? It’s called InArt but a good bit of the art is being outsourced? Again, I have no say in the matter, that should be obvious, the artist decided to do it and that’s that, but it is a bummer.
 
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Sadly JND can charge $1000+ for a non rooted silicon anything and it will sell out anyway. The JNDizers would literally buy anything 🤣

Also now that think of it Alfred would have been also the perfect pair for the armory. But they were lazy to make a new addition.
 
Sadly JND can charge $1000+ for a non rooted silicon anything and it will sell out anyway. The JNDizers would literally buy anything 🤣

Also now that think of it Alfred would have been also the perfect pair for the armory. But they were lazy to make a new addition.
Make no mistake, I didn’t buy this either. Of course it was going to sell out, it sold within minutes on their site. This IP sells. I would however like that Jaeger Lecoultre watch for my custom.
 
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