Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

But Zimmer's Supes stuff > JW's Supes stuff

I agree, the MOS soundtrack is great. However, JW's theme is the most heroic, iconic theme ever. That theme can cure aids.

JW's works, it's the one that aged the worst, it's become a stale and cliche fanfare that restricts the character's perception in some ways, it's just archetypal to the point of being borderline generic, mind you, Zimmer's stuff is also far from definitive for Superman.

That's what a millennial would say. Basically...nothing is good enough.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Zimmer's tunes match lord emperor snyders dynamic story telling to a T.

 

[DiFabio]

I think Gaspar means the main titles mostly. He's not wrong about it being fanfare.

But there is more to William's score than just that main theme. Quieter, less bombastic elements like in Kansas or anytime it's dealing with Clark. The way Elfman talks, I don't think it's going to be a straight rip off of the 78 Superman and 89 Batman themes. He's not just going to copy and paste them in there. He'll probably do a variation that fits the movie.

Look at Batman Returns. The soundtrack is completely different from '89 (unlike most of Zimmer's work), and yet parts of the iconic Batman theme still remain for those heroic, Batman-y moments. I don't think we'll be hearing John Williams' score the way it was in the 70s and 80s or in Superman Returns. It's probably going to be a subtle variation of the main theme with a little more teeth, possibly with different instruments. It might be great.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Look at Batman Returns.

I like the Penguin's death song.

Also, not related to DC, but I like the Sandman's birth song from Spidey 3. See, I give credit where credit is due.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I think Gaspar means the main titles mostly. He's not wrong about it being fanfare.

But there is more to William's score than just that main theme. Quieter, less bombastic elements like in Kansas or anytime it's dealing with Clark. The way Elfman talks, I don't think it's going to be a straight rip off of the 78 Superman and 89 Batman themes. He's not just going to copy and paste them in there. He'll probably do a variation that fits the movie.

Look at Batman Returns. The soundtrack is completely different from '89 (unlike most of Zimmer's work), and yet parts of the iconic Batman theme still remain for those heroic, Batman-y moments. I don't think we'll be hearing John Williams' score the way it was in the 70s and 80s or in Superman Returns. It's probably going to be a subtle variation of the main theme with little more teeth, possibly with different instruments. It might be great.

You're right he even mentioned that some people might not even recognize the songs because he tweaked them and youd have to listen closely to notice. They wont be a straight up reuse or replay of the original themes

 

[GasparZizou]

Zimmer supes theme songs are good but damn man the JW stuff is timeless. His superman theme, like his star wars theme, age like fine wine. I dont find anything generic about it. How does it restrict the character? Im not asking to be a jerk or anything but you peaked my curiosity.

Not the character itself, but the perception of it, I remember how many people complained about MoS's soundtrack when it came out under the pretense that JW's theme was more iconic because it was burnt in their brain as kids and they listened to it over decades, yet they were unable to remember 2 notes of MoS's Ost after watching the movie once in theaters.

I still remember some of the justifications "It has 3 notes that spell SU-PER-MAN"

And mainly from people who only or mostly know Supes from the movies, see how many people embrace different takes on Batman's music, Superman is more restricted in that regard, and as a result, the perception of the character, JW's theme is a nice simple fanfare for the times, and it very well could be updated, but it doesn't encompass the character nearly as well as it could, maybe it did at one point, I wasn't alive back then, yet it's seen as the definitive Supes theme, that's what I mean.

That's what a millennial would say.

You should know, my millennial little chicharrón.

 

[GasparZizou]

I think Gaspar means the main titles mostly. He's not wrong about it being fanfare.

But there is more to William's score than just that main theme. Quieter, less bombastic elements like in Kansas or anytime it's dealing with Clark. The way Elfman talks, I don't think it's going to be a straight rip off of the 78 Superman and 89 Batman themes. He's not just going to copy and paste them in there. He'll probably do a variation that fits the movie.

Look at Batman Returns. The soundtrack is completely different from '89 (unlike most of Zimmer's work), and yet parts of the iconic Batman theme still remain for those heroic, Batman-y moments. I don't think we'll be hearing John Williams' score the way it was in the 70s and 80s or in Superman Returns. It's probably going to be a subtle variation of the main theme with a little more teeth, possibly with different instruments. It might be great.

Pretty much, yet people don't remember the rest of the soundtrack (I'm sure some do though) they only remember dem 3 notes.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Elfmann, I can't write him off right away, the idea just screams stagnation to me.

But maybe that's what the DCEU needs, 10 steps back before they can move forward.

 

[chewblacca]

Zimmer fits the Snyderverse Superman. Its loud and bombastic and hard to actually remember any good parts once its over. Williams is more graceful, elegant, and memorable.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Zimmer fits the Snyderverse Superman. Its loud and bombastic and hard to actually remember any good parts once its over.

Zimmer is Amy Schumer.

 

[RIDDICK]

See, I give credit where credit is due.

Still a hater tho. We all are.

 

[crows]

Zimmer fits the Snyderverse Superman. Its loud and bombastic and hard to actually remember any good parts once its over. Williams is more graceful, elegant, and memorable.

Williams is aka BORING

 

[RIDDICK]

Its loud and bombastic and hard to actually remember any good parts once its over.

At first, yes. Mostly because the movie is crap and uses its music improperly.
But then you find THIS...



... and everything is good again. Unless you're a grumpy old fart, of course.

 

[crows]

This is my all time favorite superman song of all time ( specially from minute 4 to minute 5. The chorus is so glorious

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Epic, makes me want to fight black guys - Snikt

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Williams is aka BORING

Your troll is fail

 

[crows]

trying to hum the score for superman, i keep humming the indiana jones score.... they sound the same. everyone makes fun of zimmer but the indiana jones and superman are basically identical in structure, the notes might change a little, but they are too similar.

in fact, as I am writing this, i get confused right now with the star wars one as well. they all sound the same basically. Im sure they are iconic because the movies ARE Iconic.... the movies are so Iconic now that the scores became iconic by default.
but if you gave a NON fan the three scores and then an hour later asked him to hum them separately, i bet the person couldnt

 

[Captain Clown]

Some new character posters. Spoilers because big.

Spoiler

 

[chewblacca]

Epic, makes me want to fight black guys - Snikt

Great results!
But seriously, you can hate Williams all you want but take his music away from Superman, Star Wars, Raiders, Jaws, Close Encounters and E.T. and those movies would not be regarded as such great films. I'm not calling Zimmer a hack and he has done some great music in the past. I love Gladiator, Pirates and his Nolan Batman stuff. When Man of Steel came out and I sat there watching it And the music came on it so loud I felt like my ears would soon bleed. I still can't figure out why he used so many drums. Even Sheila E was used! Now I can't stop hearing A Glamorous Life whenever the drums start in the soundtrack.Maybe that's what Snyder was going for? Williams and Zimmer made two different styles of music for the same character that evokes different era's. Williams, for me, is poetic flowetry that stays with you. Zimmer belts his music over my head beating me up and yelling at me. Then again maybe that is what it is supposed to do. Man of Steel is a different Superman for a different age.

 

[chewblacca]

trying to hum the score for superman, i keep humming the indiana jones score.... they sound the same. everyone makes fun of zimmer but the indiana jones and superman are basically identical in structure, the notes might change a little, but they are too similar.

in fact, as I am writing this, i get confused right now with the star wars one as well. they all sound the same basically. Im sure they are iconic because the movies ARE Iconic.... the movies are so Iconic now that the scores became iconic by default.
but if you gave a NON fan the three scores and then an hour later asked him to hum them separately, i bet the person couldnt

Take a music class. Learn about beats rhythm and such then maybe you'll hear the difference. Indy is more actiony music where as Superman is more wonderment. Indiana Jones theme plays out in more beats than Superman. And Star Wars is something different altogether. But Williams has done a lot of music, and I do admit in the later 80'e and after some of it does sound the same.

 

[jye4ever]

For me Superman and Indy themes are very easily distinguishable.

I like the new Superman/WW themes quite a bit actually BUT they will never achieve the iconic status of the JW/Elfman themes.

Hell the only good thing to come out of TDKR was the music lol