Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[Devil_666]

Captain America is flavor of the week? wtf is he smoking

TRIGGERED!!!!!

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

TRIGGERED!!!!!

I mean really...a 75 year old character?

 

[jye4ever]

I find it funny how Faraci keeps using the "What did you learn from BvS" statement over and over and over again as an attempt to validate his narrative against BvS.

 

[GasparZizou]

I find it funny how Faraci keeps using the "What did you learn from BvS" statement over and over and over again as an attempt to validate his narrative against BvS.

Wait what? Isn't he your homeboi?

I found it funny that he was "I reported this", "I reported that" throughout the article. Like dude, chill out, everyone reported that, those weren't your scoops, your scoops were baloney

 

[jye4ever]

Jye why don't you post the entire interview instead of posting chunks?

It was a good read btw, very descriptive.

I have to post it in chunks so that I can trick kara into reading it.

 

[GasparZizou]

This is the Flash scene.

Spoiler

Looks like they're making him a bit more like QS from X-men, I have no problem with that.

 

[chewblacca]

I'm all for deconstructing my heroes, but at least make it more cohesive and balanced. In MOS Jor-el told Kal you will do wonders, and they will run behind you, or something like that. Then he flies off with a smile on his face. That was the last positive moment in both films. Growing up all of my friends looked up at Superman and wanted to be him. After these two films the last thing any kid would want to be is Superman. Snyder wanted to tell a story with a purpose behind it, but could someone tell me what it was? I own Man of Steel, and I've seem Batman vs Superman a couple of times. From his father telling him it might have been better to let kids die than help to his mother telling him to basically give up on man kind, he doesn't have to help anyone. What was he trying to show us? That being the Man of Steel comes with a lot of emotional baggage.

 

[jye4ever]

Superman was so dour even his Earth father didn't want to stick around.

 

[jedibear]

I find it funny how Faraci keeps using the "What did you learn from BvS" statement over and over and over again as an attempt to validate his narrative against BvS.

He's an arrogant ass. I appreciated Debra Snyder's comment when aske "We learned that (sic) fans don't like to see their heroes deconstructed." She didn't say "all" fans...she didn't say BvS was a "mistake". That blank is filled in on the web and in social media by self-absorbed twits like Farci and his ilk.

I liked the movie...a lot. I like the progression of this presentation of these characters. There is depth, darkness and growth with them. As I read a lot if the so-called think pieces from many of the critics I once again thought..."Do these people really WATCH these things or do they just whine about how it wasn't what they expected/wanted?" Now, that's not to say some of those articles that came down on Synder didn't have some interesting points...some did and they gave me something new to consider on subsequent viewings.

This little set-visit was an interesting move here...certainly self-serving but with no guarantee they would get positive feedback from these people. My fear for the JL movie is that WB and Snyder will "blink" and not follow their vision through to the end. Don't want JL to turn into one long, gadget-filled action scene laced with crowd-pleasing quips.The main difference to me right now between the MCU and the DCMU is the MCU has been around so long now that the main thrust of the movie is to promote more movies and have the biggest appeal. Understandable. These are big-money, high-stakes productions that need to make the biggest bang for their buck. The formula's wearing a litle thin though...it's getting harder for the unique flavor of a filmmaker to come though as each installment skips by.
Look at CA:FA where Joe Johnston bought an old-fashioned journeyman's flair to the movie and then the Russo Brothers turn in a completely different movie with CA:WS. But when CA"CW hit, the Russo's sharp edges had been worn down by the need to "make it big", leaving a movie that felt more like an overcrowded "Avanger" movie of strung-together set pieces instead of the lean, tense movie it could of been with some big cuts and honing the story. Made a stack of cash, but evaporated into the air like so many "event" movies do.

And that's the thing that was working with the DCMU...it promised to be film-maker based....riding a distinct vision through to the end result...that hopefully ended up making a lot of money and pleasing audiences. Love or hate MOS and BvS, one thing can't be denied...these movies are provocative and polarizing...they generate strong opinions both ways and THAT was is what is interesting about them. I know DC/WB has gotta make money here, but I hope the studio follows it's artists and lets THAT lead the audience, not just multiple versions of the same thing (like Disny does with everything anymore).

I want JL to entertain me and maybe infruite me a little too. That's what'll bring me back again and again, not giving me what I expect so I'm bored with it before it's even over.

Yeah, I ranted a little there, but reading some Farci will do that to me there.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah I also got a little worried when I read the Flash scene, I was afraid it was gonna go full retard, or rather, full MCU, with the quips, but it seemed to have stopped right at X-men's Quicksilver, but yeah, I'm concerned they won't let Snyder finish his vision properly.

I'm more at peace though cause Snyder said they're doing a bit of Kirby's Fourth World, so they're gonna keep the middle layer motif of gods and myths, so that's a good sign, I just hope they didn't get rid of the deeper layers that BvS had in favor of a couple jokes.

 

[jye4ever]

He's an arrogant ass. I appreciated Debra Snyder's comment when aske "We learned that (sic) fans don't like to see their heroes deconstructed." She didn't say "all" fans...she didn't say BvS was a "mistake". That blank is filled in on the web and in social media by self-absorbed twits like Farci and his ilk.

I liked the movie...a lot. I like the progression of this presentation of these characters. There is depth, darkness and growth with them. As I read a lot if the so-called think pieces from many of the critics I once again thought..."Do these people really WATCH these things or do they just whine about how it wasn't what they expected/wanted?" Now, that's not to say some of those articles that came down on Synder didn't have some interesting points...some did and they gave me something new to consider on subsequent viewings.

This little set-visit was an interesting move here...certainly self-serving but with no guarantee they would get positive feedback from these people. My fear for the JL movie is that WB and Snyder will "blink" and not follow their vision through to the end. Don't want JL to turn into one long, gadget-filled action scene laced with crowd-pleasing quips.The main difference to me right now between the MCU and the DCMU is the MCU has been around so long now that the main thrust of the movie is to promote more movies and have the biggest appeal. Understandable. These are big-money, high-stakes productions that need to make the biggest bang for their buck. The formula's wearing a litle thin though...it's getting harder for the unique flavor of a filmmaker to come though as each installment skips by.
Look at CA:FA where Joe Johnston bought an old-fashioned journeyman's flair to the movie and then the Russo Brothers turn in a completely different movie with CA:WS. But when CA"CW hit, the Russo's sharp edges had been worn down by the need to "make it big", leaving a movie that felt more like an overcrowded "Avanger" movie of strung-together set pieces instead of the lean, tense movie it could of been with some big cuts and honing the story. Made a stack of cash, but evaporated into the air like so many "event" movies do.

And that's the thing that was working with the DCMU...it promised to be film-maker based....riding a distinct vision through to the end result...that hopefully ended up making a lot of money and pleasing audiences. Love or hate MOS and BvS, one thing can't be denied...these movies are provocative and polarizing...they generate strong opinions both ways and THAT was is what is interesting about them. I know DC/WB has gotta make money here, but I hope the studio follows it's artists and lets THAT lead the audience, not just multiple versions of the same thing (like Disny does with everything anymore).

I want JL to entertain me and maybe infruite me a little too. That's what'll bring me back again and again, not giving me what I expect so I'm bored with it before it's even over.

Yeah, I ranted a little there, but reading some Farci will do that to me there.

Very good analysis but I don't agree that CW evaporated, if anything it left its mark with how so many characters were appropriately handled and how 2 new characters were introduced with exact precision.

Besides, the action they delivered will not soon be forgotten.

CW reminded us just how great superhero movies can be, especially with a trilogy like Cap's, and proved to us that the Russo's have what it takes to deliver the goods with IW1/2.

Honestly, and this is coming from a person who liked BvS, WB/DC are simply doing a knee jerk reaction to that RT score and box office results.

 

[chewblacca]

Yeah, I agree with Jye. Civil War is more than just a paint by numbers marvel film. Yes it have jokes and a fight between heroes that was more fun than deadly. But it was so good because it was the total opposite of Batman v Superman. It didn't feel rushed, filled with cliched moments that were meant to force a reaction. At the end of the movie I turned to the person I was with looked at their lost expression and said that DC had to do this. So they got a director like Snyder and let him have at their characters with the promise of putting them up on the screen because Marvel has shown that superheroes can make money and ours has been around and are better known. Snyder is a fast thinker who sees scenes in his head and puts them out there hoping for a reaction like Clark in the church. But in hindsight just because you can do those things does not mean that you should. I just read an article on New York magazine about the same visit to the JL set. In it Snyder seems hurt about the reaction from BvS and is forced to make his movie the studios way. The fans want jokes, and quips that's what we'll give them. They promised him 2 JL movies now it's down to only one. It took him 3 years to bring BvS to the screen and it seems like we got what Snyder saw in his head unfortunately it was not thought out very vividly.

 

[Bardoon]

Look at CA:FA where Joe Johnston bought an old-fashioned journeyman's flair to the movie and then the Russo Brothers turn in a completely different movie with CA:WS. But when CA"CW hit, the Russo's sharp edges had been worn down by the need to "make it big", leaving a movie that felt more like an overcrowded "Avanger" movie of strung-together set pieces instead of the lean, tense movie it could of been with some big cuts and honing the story. Made a stack of cash, but evaporated into the air like so many "event" movies do.

I actually feel the same way...except about Batman v. Superman instead of Civil War. I think Civil War is one of the best superhero movies ever made and the Russo's masterfully crafted an ensemble cast with just the right amount of screentime for all the characters that it didn't feel like they were just there to be there. They have also thematically evolved the Captain America flicks...the first was WW2 with a dash of blockbuster flair, the second was a more-grounded espionage movie (fitting the motif that Captain America was essentially a SHIELD agent) and the third has solidified him as a leader of a new generation of heroes while still trying to defend his actions/morals and those of his best friend. I love the diversity we've gotten with the Cap movies.

While I understand what you're saying...one big thing you touched on about 'cohesion' and following the over-arching vision is quite true, but I think we're finally seeing DC/WB move towards that. And part of what makes the Marvel movies both successful and 'fit' is they have that (with their movie "Phase" approach), and as much as some of their directors fight against it, that's ultimately why they have guys like Kevin Feige up top who are in charge of making sure everything fits the unifying vision.

If you let some of these directors arbitrarily deviate from the overall vision, then you're going to have movies that are thematically all over the place. Now, I'm not saying the studio is "always" right, but they have their over-arching view and the directors are HIRED to fit things within that context. We saw those creative differences clash when Edgar Wright pulled out of 'Ant-man' because Marvel shuffled their weight around. Who knows what the differences truly boiled down to but it was enough that Wright wasn't looking to follow Marvel's MCU vision and plan.

And so DC and WB have already started to gravitate toward following this MCU-mold, because when they let Snyder 'run the show', we got BvS and overall...a lack-luster response. Maybe if the consensus was more positive and the movie made more money (and my opinion: they had a stronger and more cohesive story), we would still see the filmmakers exert some more control, but I think WB is shying away from that (perhaps also why we saw the Aquaman director drop out) in favor of producing an overall vision and plan...much like Marvel has.

Someone put it well that Snyder, unfortunately, is not the man to bring this vision together. He's a great visualist, but he struggles with story and cohesion...jumping from one scene to the other and ultimately failing to bring a strong story about while also doing in-depth character studies on the people involved in the plot. I understood what he was going for and it times it clicked, but unfortunately...it mostly didn't. If anything BvS proved that he just wasn't up-to-par for building the DC Cinematic Universe and that he needs a little bit more oversight. And I actually like Snyder and loved his work on 300 (but he had a comic book to easily follow...) and I even was more favorable toward his work on Man of Steel.

 

[batfan08]

The stuff about JL being a lighter film doesn't bother me in the slightest, and it actually feels natural, as BvS ended on a very optimistic note. People tend to see it as dour because of the death of Superman, but they explicitly show you that his resurrection is imminent, and his "death," as it was, is the final part of his journey to being Superman.

We see Batman, who was so lost and disillusioned that he'd become everything he'd fought against given hope and coming to the realization that "men are still good," and the way he speaks of assembling the Justice League with Diana has a distinct confidence to it; he's clearly perturbed by Lex Author's talk of looming cosmic threats, in tandem with his strange visions and nightmares, but his desire to protect the planet almost goes hand in hand with his newfound faith in humanity, and, as I said earlier, I would love to see the blue and grey with a yellow oval, and I feel like it would work on a thematic level, as well.

For one thing, you could say that the blue and yellow components are visual components inspired by Superman, and, for another, you could have the brighter pallet reflect not only his newfound optimism, but his transformation into a hero from the hulking, violent monster that he had previously been. Similar to what Darwyn Cooke did in The New Frontier. Batman rescues a child from abductors in his classic, devil earred, golden age costume, but his appearance has the child going into hysterics, which inspires him to adopt the blue and grey of the silver age.

 

[GasparZizou]

The stuff about JL being a lighter film doesn't bother me in the slightest, and it actually feels natural, as BvS ended on a very optimistic note. People tend to see it as dour because of the death of Superman, but they explicitly show you that his resurrection is imminent, and his "death," as it was, is the final part of his journey to being Superman.

It was said by Terrio himself that JL was gonna be more upbeat even before the pleb backlash, even before the movie was released IIRC, but it's inevitable people will say it's because of the MCU.

You are right it was the natural progression, I wonder if the movies are part of Rebirth's meta stuff.

We see Batman, who was so lost and disillusioned that he'd become everything he'd fought against given hope and coming to the realization that "men are still good," and the way he speaks of assembling the Justice League with Diana has a distinct confidence to it; he's clearly perturbed by Lex Author's talk of looming cosmic threats, in tandem with his strange visions and nightmares, but his desire to protect the planet almost goes hand in hand with his newfound faith in humanity, and, as I said earlier, I would love to see the blue and grey with a yellow oval, and I feel like it would work on a thematic level, as well.

One of the dudes who went to the set visit, said one of the Batman suits had blue accents or something, but I don't remember where I saw it, it was a video.

For one thing, you could say that the blue and yellow components are visual components inspired by Superman, and, for another, you could have the brighter pallet reflect not only his newfound optimism, but his transformation into a hero from the hulking, violent monster that he had previously been. Similar to what Darwyn Cooke did in The New Frontier. Batman rescues a child from abductors in his classic, devil earred, golden age costume, but his appearance has the child going into hysterics, which inspires him to adopt the blue and grey of the silver age.

On Superman, I wonder if his costume will be affected, after the mullet and black costume stuff ends.

With how Snyder is into telling a stories though images, i.e. Wayne Manor, I can't help but thinking his suit will be brighter, maybe even the cape will not sweep the floor anymore, and will be at boot level, indicating he's no longer dragging his duty of being Superman.

 

[Bardoon]

One article mentioned that Batman will have two suits...once again.

The first is very similar and basically the same as his black & gray Batman outfit from BvS. The second is supposed to be more 'tactical', but likely not as chunky as his armor outfit from BvS. Likely just beefier to deal with the Apokolips threats...

 

[batfan08]

It was said by Terrio himself that JL was gonna be more upbeat even before the pleb backlash, but it's inevitable people will say it's because of the MCU.

You are right it was the natural progression, I wonder if the movies are part of Rebirth's meta stuff.


One of the dudes who went to the set visit, said one of the Batman suits had blue accents or something, but I don't remember where I saw it, it was a video.


On Superman, I wonder if his costume will be affected, after the mullet and black costume stuff ends.

With how Snyder is into telling a stories though images, i.e. Wayne Manor, I can't help but thinking his suit will be brighter, maybe even the cape will not sweep the floor anymore, and will be at boot level, indicating he's no longer dragging his duty of being Superman.

I loved how Batman's armored suit, during the Superman battle, essentially, reflected his entire thematic arc from the film, culminating in Bruce Wayne and his humanity breaking through the seemingly impenetrable Batman persona.

 

[GasparZizou]

I loved how Batman's armored suit, during the Superman battle, essentially, reflected his entire thematic arc from the film, culminating in Bruce Wayne and his humanity breaking through the seemingly impenetrable Batman persona.

One of many masterstrokes.

 

[EVILFACE]

Reading Faraci's stuff, he really just wanted jokes? He doesn't give a **** about good writing or good stories, he just wanted jokes
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In my experience with Reddit, that is all it is. Nothing but people posting one liners. That they think are funny. But aren't.

 

[GasparZizou]

In my experience with Reddit, that is all it is. Nothing but people posting one liners. That they think are funny. But aren't.

Aren't you thinking about Tumblr?

Regardless, Reddit is **** too, no wonder why Reddit is infatuated with him and him with Reddit.

Come to think of it, all image boards are **** nowadays, you have to shovel through a lot of **** to get some good stuff.