Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[jye4ever]

The only difference between Avengers and JL is that Avengers actually makes sense lol

Avengers wasn’t a change of course it all felt natural not rushed.

Had WW been a box office bomb that Aquaman movie would’ve never started filming.

So now what does WB do with these actors if JL bombs.

Sheesh what a mess WB has in their hands.

 

[MedievaL]

Anyone else finds Danny Elfman score sorely dated and unsuitable for this movie? God damn it, they should have kept Junkie XL..


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[Darkseed]

Sheesh what a mess WB has in their hands.

Self inflicted mess, it’s difficult to feel sorry for them. Nor do I support blaming Whedon or Snyder at this point, it’s a team effort.

Personally I enjoyed JL on the same level as BvS both hugely flawed, average forgettable films. That said, you take SW, MCU, Fox, Sony and DCEU (whatever) films put them in a bag and shake them up it’s the same all around. With a few exceptions, average, forgettable films without a lasting impact.

Why folks act so surprised this movie is any different is beyond me. Perhaps their own expectations then that’s on them. History clearly shows otherwise.

 

[Niltusk]

You don't even have to have seen the movie, you can read through the listed changes on this page and see things with Whedon's name attached to see descriptions straight out of Avengers, and almost every snark that the above paragraph references has a Whedon line could easily have been said by anyone in Avengers. I can't imagine people seeing the movie and can't see it.

 

[Caped Baldy]

"This is the kind of film which, by comparison, Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin is a masterclass in coherence, in character development, in razor sharp storytelling."

Goodness. This is the most savage review yet.

 

[Thomascrown17]

Im still baffled by all the cbm we got this year its JL that suffered the most.


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[ironwez20]

Yea it's really sad that Marvel who doesn't have all it's characters are more successful but now I know why. Marvel loves there characters DC doesn't. They don't know anything about the characters they just want to ride the wave of money. Marvel loves it properties. hate the MCU or love it they want to make sure all there characters are represented well and jumped at bit the when Xmen was a success. They made all there popular properties into movies EVEN though they had to sell them off to other studios.

DC? DC waited years before making a wonder woman movie. Have no faith in there characters except Batman and even though fans wanted a JL movie for so long they said no because it wouldn't sell. They said Flash wouldn't sell. They said WOnder woman wouldn't sell. They said all of there **** wouldn't sell except Batman and probably Superman. So they got Snyder who made a few successful movies and meddled in the movies to play catch up with marvel. I honestly think Doomday in BVS wasn't Snyder but studio meddling.

But yea. WB doesn't give a **** about these characters. They blew the dust off these characters and put them in a movie to ride the money train with marvel who put time and energy into the franchise instead of rushing things. Batman being batman for 20 yrs and superman being superman for 2 is a **** idea imo. Now with this movie they went full on MCu with freaking Batman making jokes. I watched some clips and holy ****. But yea. I'll wait for a bootleg. Everything i've seen just looks awful. O boy can't wait for the freakin extended cut. Sheesh. So damn sad.

Wb doesn't even have to try that hard. They make superb animation for years and for them to just **** up like this in live action is absolutely insane. Freakin young justice gets it right more than this movie does.

 

[M United]

So i saw JL there wasn't as many jokes as i thought there would be which is good some of the jokes where funny some of them where not. Thor had much better humor even though they went way over the top. I enjoyed the movie i give it a 7 out of 10. The group shots where amazing and comic book accurate.

 

[spindrift]

The bar is so low, Gaspar has embraced his inner pleb....but still needs to find a way to Josstified people disliking JL by saying it's like the Avengers, even though the Avengers did it first and better.

So what is at the high point of this bar? Iron Man? GoTG? Ragnarok? Honestly TDK trilogy IS the only high points on a cbm. The Marvel stuff is good but disposable entertainment- so if that's a "high" well,,,,,

 

[spindrift]

Yea it's really sad that Marvel who doesn't have all it's characters are more successful but now I know why. Marvel loves there characters DC doesn't. They don't know anything about the characters they just want to ride the wave of money. Marvel loves it properties. hate the MCU or love it they want to make sure all there characters are represented well and jumped at bit the when Xmen was a success. They made all there popular properties into movies EVEN though they had to sell them off to other studios.

DC? DC waited years before making a wonder woman movie. Have no faith in there characters except Batman and even though fans wanted a JL movie for so long they said no because it wouldn't sell. They said Flash wouldn't sell. They said WOnder woman wouldn't sell. They said all of there **** wouldn't sell except Batman and probably Superman. So they got Snyder who made a few successful movies and meddled in the movies to play catch up with marvel. I honestly think Doomday in BVS wasn't Snyder but studio meddling.

But yea. WB doesn't give a **** about these characters. They blew the dust off these characters and put them in a movie to ride the money train with marvel who put time and energy into the franchise instead of rushing things. Batman being batman for 20 yrs and superman being superman for 2 is a **** idea imo. Now with this movie they went full on MCu with freaking Batman making jokes. I watched some clips and holy ****. But yea. I'll wait for a bootleg. Everything i've seen just looks awful. O boy can't wait for the freakin extended cut. Sheesh. So damn sad.

Wb doesn't even have to try that hard. They make superb animation for years and for them to just **** up like this in live action is absolutely insane. Freakin young justice gets it right more than this movie does.

I disagree- ANYTHING WB puts out from this point on won't do much better- the characters have lost the appeal most of you here think they have- "gee a Superman Batman movie should have made $2 billion, etc etc etc". You overestimate everything to drive your points home how much you hate WB and DC

 

[jye4ever]

Self inflicted mess, it’s difficult to feel sorry for them. Nor do I support blaming Whedon or Snyder at this point, it’s a team effort.

Personally I enjoyed JL on the same level as BvS both hugely flawed, average forgettable films. That said, you take SW, MCU, Fox, Sony and DCEU (whatever) films put them in a bag and shake them up it’s the same all around. With a few exceptions, average, forgettable films without a lasting impact.

Why folks act so surprised this movie is any different is beyond me. Perhaps their own expectations then that’s on them. History clearly shows otherwise.

I do think you’re missing one critical component of the MCU.

All 17 movies as a whole formed a very strong bond with the general audience so your lasting impact comment is really not accurate.

So while TWS was great and Doctor Strange was weak what matters most is what Marvel created as a whole.

That’s the critical link the DCEU is missing, that’s where WB failed.

Marvel has made people care about their characters regardless of the weaker entries.

MCU is successfull because of that vibrant lasting impact.

With DCEU all people talk about is cgi mustache.

With Cap all we talk about is his heroism and fighting skills.

The 2 properties couldn’t be farther apart so that’s why I laugh when people say they are clones.

Edit: ironwez said some of the stuff I just said.

 

[a-dev]

I do think you’re missing one critical component of the MCU.

All 17 movies as a whole formed a very strong bond with the general audience so your lasting impact comment is really not accurate.

So while TWS was great and Doctor Strange was weak what matters most is what Marvel created as a whole.

That’s the critical link the DCEU is missing, that’s where WB failed.

Marvel has made people care about their characters regardless of the weaker entries.

MCU is successfull because of that vibrant lasting impact.

With DCEU all people talk about is cgi mustache.

With Cap all we talk about is his heroism and fighting skills.

The 2 properties couldn’t be farther apart so that’s why I laugh when people say they are clones.

Edit: ironwez said some of the stuff I just said.

Yep. DC's universe-building strategy has been - quite simply - ***t.

 

[Darkseed]

Yep. DC's universe-building strategy has been - quite simply - ***t.

Totally agree....

I agree with Jye that MCU has done a solid job of giving us likable characters that you want to see what happens next. It doesn’t mean the film was good or memorable it’s simply part of the bigger story so folks watch. Or the universe building persay

 

[Niltusk]

Yep. DC's universe-building strategy has been - quite simply - ***t.

You're saying revising your universe plans every 2 months even while shooting isn't a good plan?

I really think sometimes Charlie Brown is at the helm of WB.

 

[a-dev]

That's why Marvel's movies just have an advantage every time for me, no matter what DC does. So when Gaspar says that Justice League is the same as an Avengers film - I'll still more than likely give the win to the Avengers film.

And it's not that I am anti-DC characters - of the superhero figures I have I would sooner sell my Marvel ones than my DC ones. I just think DC has done a piss-poor job overall with this particular set of films. I had fundamental problems with Man of Steel that have pretty much fed into all the others. These problems could never be alleviated by simply making Justice League more Marvel-like in its tone.

 

[Niltusk]

...and speaking of bad looking costumes in JL, for once no one will be worried about screen accuracy, HT's tactical Batman actually looks miles ahead of its on screen look. I could swear there were times that the suit had that look of behind the scenes videos of cgi that had never been polished, some of his time in that suit had to be last minute additions.

 

[Niltusk]

That's why Marvel's movies just have an advantage every time for me, no matter what DC does. So when Gaspar says that Justice League is the same as an Avengers film - I'll still more than likely give the win to the Avengers film.

And it's not that I am anti-DC characters - of the superhero figures I have I would sooner sell my Marvel ones than my DC ones. I just think DC has done a piss-poor job overall with this particular set of films. I had fundamental problems with Man of Steel that have pretty much fed into all the others. These problems could never be alleviated by simply making Justice League more Marvel-like in its tone.

Theres tons of parallels, from snarky dialogue, to poor cgi horde of throwaway bug villains, weird costume choices, team strongest way outpowering the villain, rich obnoxious a-hole leader/not leader decides to suicide for the greater good, underpowered heroes on side duty, etc... etc... too many to list, and tbh, if you didn't snooze through the movie, theres many more. Of course the flashback was in NO WAY Marvel related and didn't remind anyone of any other huge franchise in any way, I'm sure.

 

[ironwez20]

I disagree- ANYTHING WB puts out from this point on won't do much better- the characters have lost the appeal most of you here think they have- "gee a Superman Batman movie should have made $2 billion, etc etc etc". You overestimate everything to drive your points home how much you hate WB and DC

Don’t hate them tho. And they haven’t lost their appeal they just aren’t utilized well. A Batman and Superman movie should make bank

 

[Darkseed]

I haven’t been a steady reader of comics for about 30 yrs but as I recall DC and Marvel have always paralleled one another in characters and storylines. Maybe it’s changed dunno. Uncertain why the films would be vastly
different.

Perhaps my knowledge is dated which allows me to enjoy both universes as entertainment versus gospel.

 

[DiFabio]

"This is the kind of film which, by comparison, Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin is a masterclass in coherence, in character development, in razor sharp storytelling."

Goodness. This is the most savage review yet.

It's true though. Also, atleast with a flick like Batman and Robin you can get amusement out of the 60s style camp, awesome set designs and, at the time state of the art special effects (I always loved that Freeze effect, especially the sound).

Batman and Robin actually felt like a live action film in comparison to this crap. These big budget movies don't even seem real anymore, they look like cartoons and video games. The Marvel and Star Wars **** too.

And yes, despite the similarities, Avengers is way better than this piece of crap. Just the novelty of it all was great in 2012. Are there a lot of Whedon trademarks like looking like a ****ing cheap ass tv show? Certainly. Most of the marvel movies look like crap. Avengers had heart whereas this thing was like Frankenstein's monster. A bunch of different ideas badly cobbled together. Above all, Avengers was more focused.