Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[Niltusk]

I haven’t been a steady reader of comics for about 30 yrs but as I recall DC and Marvel have always paralleled one another in characters and storylines. Maybe it’s changed dunno. Uncertain why the films would be vastly
different.

Perhaps my knowledge is dated which allows me to enjoy both universes as entertainment versus gospel.

Good point, and some of the comic parallels are due to shared talents who have worked for both over the years.

 

[crows]

Anyone else finds Danny Elfman score sorely dated and unsuitable for this movie? God damn it, they should have kept Junkie XL..


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The only difference between Avengers and JL is that Avengers actually makes sense lol

Avengers wasn’t a change of course it all felt natural not rushed.

Had WW been a box office bomb that Aquaman movie would’ve never started filming.

So now what does WB do with these actors if JL bombs.

Sheesh what a mess WB has in their hands.

And u have to realize marvel had bad movies in between, iron man 2 was really bad and messy but because people were curious about where it was leading to they kept coming back.

Even the worst marvel movie like thor 2 was leading to the next in a real fluid way.
With DC it was manufactured and fake leading. No one really cared to where the next movie was going because they didnt have a real flow. Wonder woman doesnt really connect to man of steel or batman v superman. Not really.
Its like fake hype vs real hype. Marvel had a few bumps down the road and marvel has bad villains but each movie is a piece of the puzzle.
As genetic as the movies can be it felt like a giant tv show

DC feels not genuine. The connections of each movie are superficial


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[Khev]

I do think you’re missing one critical component of the MCU.

All 17 movies as a whole formed a very strong bond with the general audience so your lasting impact comment is really not accurate.

So while TWS was great and Doctor Strange was weak what matters most is what Marvel created as a whole.

That’s the critical link the DCEU is missing, that’s where WB failed.

Marvel has made people care about their characters regardless of the weaker entries.

MCU is successfull because of that vibrant lasting impact.

With DCEU all people talk about is cgi mustache.

With Cap all we talk about is his heroism and fighting skills.

The 2 properties couldn’t be farther apart so that’s why I laugh when people say they are clones.

Edit: ironwez said some of the stuff I just said.

So true on all levels. And trying to simply copy The Avengers doesn't instantly make them The Avengers. I keep seeing way more comparisons to B&R and AOTC than I do anything from Marvel.

 

[Darkseed]

Danny elfman stopped being good or relevant aftet mars attacks.
Total has been



And u have to realize marvel had bad movies in between, iron man 2 was really bad and messy but because people were curious about where it was leading to they kept coming back.

Even the worst marvel movie like thor 2 was leading to the next in a real fluid way.
With DC it was manufactured and fake leading. No one really cared to where the next movie was going because they didnt have a real flow. Wonder woman doesnt really connect to man of steel or batman v superman. Not really.
Its like fake hype vs real hype. Marvel had a few bumps down the road and marvel has bad villains but each movie is a piece of the puzzle.
As genetic as the movies can be it felt like a giant tv show

DC feels not genuine. The connections of each movie are superficial
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Nice expansion of my point. MCU love or hate it is executing a plan and it feels such.....DC feels very reactionary and to your point less genuine.

It’s a shame as (imo) visually DC films ultimately look the part / more pleasing......if they’d the vision to match they could be far superior series.

 

[crows]

It is kind of truly mind blowing and actually incredible that we are getting an Attack of the clones kind of movie in 2017
With all this technology and all this awareness thanks to the internet
And a studio craps the bed this bad....

 

[Underworld54]

$38.8M OD, total disaster for WB. BvS opened with over double that ($81.5M).

 

[crows]

Nice expansion of my point. MCU love or hate it is executing a plan and it feels such.....DC feels very reactionary and to your point less genuine.

It’s a shame as (imo) visually DC films ultimately look the part / more pleasing......if they’d the vision to match they could be far superior series.

I personally prefer the characters in DC, they are more legendary. They are more... mythological in a way, they feel like greek gods.
Everyone in marvel is either a spy or a super soldier. ( except from thor)
Marvel characters almost feel like they belong in a mission impossible movie. Marvel is all about military stuff and experiments, iron man might just be a soldier. Hulk is just a scientist turned by his experiment.
Superman, flash, wonder woman, aquaman, they do feel like gods. What myths are made of. Even batman with his suit and the darkness that surrounds him is mysterious and scary to people.

 

[crows]

 

[jye4ever]

I haven’t been a steady reader of comics for about 30 yrs but as I recall DC and Marvel have always paralleled one another in characters and storylines. Maybe it’s changed dunno. Uncertain why the films would be vastly
different.

Perhaps my knowledge is dated which allows me to enjoy both universes as entertainment versus gospel.

Yeah i’m talking about the movies the comics are a whole other beast.

I picture a straight coherent line running across the MCU baseline that made it easy for the audience to understand and get attached.

Now try drawing that line in the DCEU it looks like ventricular fibrillation nothing stable for the audience to jump in and begin caring about.

It's true though. Also, atleast with a flick like Batman and Robin you can get amusement out of the 60s style camp, awesome set designs and, at the time state of the art special effects (I always loved that Freeze effect, especially the sound).

Batman and Robin actually felt like a live action film in comparison to this crap. These big budget movies don't even seem real anymore, they look like cartoons and video games. The Marvel and Star Wars **** too.

And yes, despite the similarities, Avengers is way better than this piece of crap. Just the novelty of it all was great in 2012. Are there a lot of Whedon trademarks like looking like a ****ing cheap ass tv show? Certainly. Most of the marvel movies look like crap. Avengers had heart whereas this thing was like Frankenstein's monster. A bunch of different ideas badly cobbled together. Above all, Avengers was more focused.

JL, the movie that opened the door for B&R to be used as an example of how to make a superhero movie. lololol

Danny elfman stopped being good or relevant aftet mars attacks.
Total has been



And u have to realize marvel had bad movies in between, iron man 2 was really bad and messy but because people were curious about where it was leading to they kept coming back.

Even the worst marvel movie like thor 2 was leading to the next in a real fluid way.
With DC it was manufactured and fake leading. No one really cared to where the next movie was going because they didnt have a real flow. Wonder woman doesnt really connect to man of steel or batman v superman. Not really.
Its like fake hype vs real hype. Marvel had a few bumps down the road and marvel has bad villains but each movie is a piece of the puzzle.
As genetic as the movies can be it felt like a giant tv show

DC feels not genuine. The connections of each movie are superficial


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Love your puzzle analogy great stuff.

So true on all levels. And trying to simply copy The Avengers doesn't instantly make them The Avengers. I keep seeing way more comparisons to B&R and AOTC than I do anything from Marvel.

I think I was just convinced that B&R is better lol

It is kind of truly mind blowing and actually incredible that we are getting an Attack of the clones kind of movie in 2017
With all this technology and all this awareness thanks to the internet
And a studio craps the bed this bad....

Wow when you put it that way ouch lol

$38.8M OD, total disaster for WB. BvS opened with over double that ($81.5M).

Jesus H Carpenter.

I personally prefer the characters in DC, they are more legendary. They are more... mythological in a way, they feel like greek gods.
Everyone in marvel is either a spy or a super soldier. ( except from thor)
Marvel characters almost feel like they belong in a mission impossible movie. Marvel is all about military stuff and experiments, iron man might just be a soldier. Hulk is just a scientist turned by his experiment.
Superman, flash, wonder woman, they do feel like gods. What myths are made of. Even batman with his suit and the darkness that surrounds him is mysterious and scary to people.

Very true but there’s a catch, Gods are difficult to keep interesting.

 

[jye4ever]

I just asked the wife which she preferred, Thor and Costello or Attack of the Justice League and Robin Clones

Easy choice she said, Thor 3 was more exciting and vibrant then she asked “when did you say these movies would be coming to an end again?” lol

She won’t appreciate the Michael Caine “Nevah” gif if I showed her.

 

[crows]

Honestly if batman and robin didnt have crap cringe worthy dialogue it would be a legitimate solid movie.
Plotwise it was fine. Mr freeze had a really good interesting tragic backstory that batman could relate to, his plan for freezing the city was fine. Poison ivy was fine, it made sense what she wanted to do.
Poison ivy betraying freeze was a good twist.
The plot of alfred getting sick was sad and interesting, batgirl was a good break to the dynamic of batman and robin.
Even robin falling for poison ivy created good conflict between batman and robin.

The stories themselves were fine in batman and robin. They definitely werent boring.
What kills that movie is the horrible horrible cheesy dialogue.

 

[bboy]

Lol! I really don't think the "bond" or throughline or character arcs in mcu is causing the movies to be more successful with general audience. They have just been easy for kids and parents alike to sit through from the beginning of the universe. The kids are happy , the parents are happy.They appeal to more people. This goes all the way back to tdk trilogy , and then follows with man of steel and bvs. I'm not saying they are amazing movies, but they never had the same intentions as the mcu movies...... up until now.


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[bboy]

Any who I saw it again last night. For all the problems it had there were many beyond awesome moments in the movie. The tunnel sequence is one hell of a Justice league action sequence ( them holding on to the night crawler was picture perfect )


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[Khev]

Wow, just saw that after reshoots the budget for this film reached $300 million. I believe that officially makes it the most expense movie ever made? The most expensive film of all time and features extensive old gen game console graphics?

It looks like their timing couldn't have been worse. They're losing $20 million in "superhero dollars" to Thor 3 this weekend (what were they thinking) while out of the blue movie "Wonder" is surprising everyone with projections close to $30 million. My daughter's entire 5th grade class is going on a field trip to watch Wonder and now I see that schools all over the country are following suit. When has that ever happened?

So JL is losing teen and grown up dollars to Thor and little kid dollars to Wonder. All in the wake of piss poor reviews for those still undecided. What a cluster of a production from beginning to end.

 

[jye4ever]

That is just bonkers.

 

[Khev]

That is just bonkers.

And Zack tweeting that he hasn't seen it is a pretty passive aggressive Trank move IMO. That's outright disownership by the *credited director* of the film.

 

[YoNoSe]

They need to hire Kennedy and Fiege for their next company retreat. Or even George Lucas. Or the guy who did Jaws 2. Anyone who can teach them how to string two movies together.

 

[YoNoSe]

And Zack tweeting that he hasn't seen it is a pretty passive aggressive Trank move IMO. That's outright disownership by the *credited director* of the film.

I don't think his "leave of absence" was as amicable as presented. I shudder to think they'd legitimize it exploiting his family tragedy but it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing going on in Hollywood.

 

[Khev]

I don't think his "leave of absence" was as amicable as presented. I shudder to think they'd legitimize it exploiting his family tragedy but it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing going on in Hollywood.

Him not seeing it also fully exposes the fact that either Zack was never truly interested in seeing these characters come together on the big screen or that he was so upset over Joss' involvement that he just wanted to wash his hands of the whole thing (similar to Jim Cameron's disgust that others got to "piss in" his Terminator series.) Regardless of the reason it's clear that this was not a harmonious group labor of love.

 

[YoNoSe]

There's no way they are going to stop the train so hopefully this is will clear the slate for future writers/directors.