JUSTICE LEAGUE movie

[karamazov80]

I get that folks like the Tower of Babel story. I like it, as well. But it works in the context of a well developed Justice League that people know about and that exists for the purpose of essentially doing what the Avengers (movie and comic versions) are doing IMO--banding together to take on a larger threat. Not somehow twisted into the premise for the first ever Justice League film.

The comparisons between JLA and Avengers would be inevitable, but unavoidable. If Superman could deal with threats on his own, then there would be no reason for the team to exist.

 

[thenammagazine]

I get that folks like the Tower of Babel story. I like it, as well. But it works in the context of a well developed Justice League that people know about and that exists for the purpose of essentially doing what the Avengers (movie and comic versions) are doing IMO--banding together to take on a larger threat. Not somehow twisted into the premise for the first ever Justice League film.

The comparisons between JLA and Avengers would be inevitable, but unavoidable. If Superman could deal with threats on his own, then there would be no reason for the team to exist.

That's the biggest hurdle a JLA flick is going to have. It's why no single villains from any particular hero's rogues gallery will work. And how do you sell a multitude of villains working together who haven't yet even been established in film?

P.S. Someone needs to remind Khev that Hulk wasn't a villain in Avengers. At no point in the film did the whole team band together to deal with him.

 

[karamazov80]

That's the biggest hurdle a JLA flick is going to have. It's why no single villains from any particular hero's rogues gallery will work.

I think there are a few that could work (Darkseid being the most obvious), and writers could tweak things so that characters that were primarily JLAer X's main villain in the comics are more than that in the film. But someone like Despero, Starro, or even Eclipso would probably be best to start things out IMO.

 

[The Mike]

A Justice League film will take on the exact same premise that the reboots of the team have in recent years. It will be more that each hero tries to handle it and they have to figure out how to work together and not "lone wolf" it where the villain is a means to an end for that task.

I'm sure you'll see a villain who can have henchmen that they can all showcase their powers against but in reality it'll follow more The Avengers plotline I'm sure than people realize.

The difference will be in how the characters themselves are portrayed since it'll be the first time many will see them on screen.

 

[Khev]

P.S. Someone needs to remind Khev that Hulk wasn't a villain in Avengers. At no point in the film did the whole team band together to deal with him.

That's like saying random evil guy #5 who boarded the helicarrier wasn't a villain because the whole team didn't have to fight him.

Hulk was a "hero" who actually fought against the other Avengers until getting his act together and joining them. I thought you wanted to minimize the comparisons between the JL and Avengers but hey to each his own. Obviously your idea wouldn't have a demigod pulling Batman's strings but then you're only wanting it to be similar to The Avengers but less dramatic.

 

[thenammagazine]

That's like saying random evil guy #5 who boarded the helicarrier wasn't a villain because the whole team didn't have to fight him.

Hulk was a "hero" who actually fought against the other Avengers until getting his act together and joining them. I thought you wanted to minimize the comparisons between the JL and Avengers but hey to each his own.

uh... he fought against Thor. That's it. Hardly what I'd consider a "villain."

 

[Khev]

uh... he fought against Thor. That's it. Hardly what I'd consider a "villain."

What you consider a "villain" is not whether they are good/bad, an antagonist or not, but rather *only* someone who fights the entire team by your words. Very strange.

I guess The Emperor wasn't a villain because he never went head to head with Chewbacca?

Hulk wasn't a "villain" and I never said he was. He was just a hero who went against the team and then joined them at the end. That's fine if you want that to be the defining aspect of The Justice League but at least The Avengers had *real* villains too. Copying the "good guy vs. team then joins team" idea but without any real threat or stakes beyond that would just seem like a significant step backward to me and a bit of a letdown.

 

[thenammagazine]

What you consider a "villain" is not whether they are good/bad, an antagonist or not, but rather *only* someone who fights the entire team by your words. Very strange.

I guess The Emperor wasn't a villain because he never went head to head with Chewbacca?

Hulk wasn't a "villain" and I never said he was. He was just a hero who went against the team and then joined them at the end. That's fine if you want that to be the defining aspect of The Justice League but at least The Avengers had *real* villains too. Copying the "good guy vs. team then joins team" idea but without any real threat or stakes beyond that would just seem like a significant step backward to me and a bit of a letdown.

What "team" did Hulk go up against? He fought Thor. That's it.

 

[The Mike]

I think he means "against the team" as he didn't want to join. If that's the case then all of them wanted against the team especially Thor, Cap and Iron Man on top of Hulk.

This kind of reluctance to join was already the basis of the New 52 reboot. If you look at that arc, Green Lantern and Superman play the Iron Man roles, Wonder Woman the Black Widow role, Batman the Nick Fury role and The Flash more the Captain America role with them all having to come together. It's a loose comparison, trust me, but it's been mimicked over and over, it'll show up here.

 

[karamazov80]

I still don't understand why the recognition that Batman could beat the JLA single-handedly would be reason for those guys to join forces.

Superman: Damn. That Batman sure did kick our asses! Guess we better form a team so it doesn't happen again!

Wonder Woman: Word.

Flash: I know, we'll call ourselves the Justice League.

Martian Manhunter: *indecipherable alien language*

Aquaman: And we can act as a deterrent force against others who might want to kill us in the future! We could kick their asses first!

Green Lantern: Word.

Green Arrow: Hey Batman, since you kicked our asses, why don't you join us?

Batman: A'aight.

*cue credits*

 

[The Mike]

Well theoretically even in the books Batman doesn't begin contingency plans until after he meets the members of the Justice League so that wouldn't be a thing until after he meets them in this film but could become an issue for them like it was in the books once that info got out in future films.

 

[thenammagazine]

I still don't understand why the recognition that Batman could beat the JLA single-handedly would be reason for those guys to join forces.

Superman: Damn. That Batman sure did kick our asses! Guess we better form a team so it doesn't happen again!

Wonder Woman: Word.

Flash: I know, we'll call ourselves the Justice League.

Martian Manhunter: *indecipherable alien language*

Aquaman: And we can act as a deterrent force against others who might want to kill us in the future! We could kick their asses first!

Green Lantern: Word.

Green Arrow: Hey Batman, since you kicked our asses, why don't you join us?

Batman: A'aight.

*cue credits*

What's the best way to stop a man who's proving he can take you and your others out one-on-one?

And J'onn is telepathic, newb, no need for a language barrier.

 

[Khev]

What "team" did Hulk go up against?

Black Widow and all team members who came to her defense. Her "team" was called the Avengers. You think Cap and Iron Man would have stood idly by if they weren't otherwise engaged?

 

[thenammagazine]

Black Widow and all team members who came to her defense. Her "team" was called the Avengers. You think Cap and Iron Man would have stood idly by if they weren't otherwise engaged?

Your logic is still flawed. The only person Hulk had an issue with was Thor and he settled that dispute after the creature crashed. Otherwise he would've beat Cap when Cap said "smash," and let Iron Man fall to his death. I mean, ____, I can even argue that Thor wasn't fighting Hulk, but Loki and completely dissolve your point entirely.

 

[Khev]

Your logic is still flawed. The only person Hulk had an issue with was Thor

Sounds like you need to watch the movie again.

I can even argue that Thor wasn't fighting Hulk, but Loki and completely dissolve your point entirely.

No, because you'd just be wrong again. The movie made it quite clear when someone was "possessed" by Loki's magic to the point of losing control of their own actions. Hulk wasn't.

 

[thenammagazine]

Sounds like you need to watch the movie again. No, because you'd just be wrong again. The movie made it quite clear when someone was "possessed" by Loki's magic to the point of losing control of their own actions. Hulk wasn't.

Why was Banner holding Loki's staff? Why even pick it up?

 

[intothevoid]

Banner was clearly under Lokis influence on the carrier

 

[Sachiel]

Well theoretically even in the books Batman doesn't begin contingency plans until after he meets the members of the Justice League so that wouldn't be a thing until after he meets them in this film but could become an issue for them like it was in the books once that info got out in future films.

Yeah. It's something that needs to be built up. Makes for some good drama later on.

 

[Khev]

Why was Banner holding Loki's staff? Why even pick it up?

Oh it obviously had some sort of "Council of Rivendell" One Ring goading effect but it wasn't outright possessing anyone. Otherwise Banner wouldn't have come to his senses and released the staff when it was called to his attention. If he was possessed he would have hulked out and attacked everyone then and there.

He was ticked, they all were, but he was still "himself." Unlike say Hawkeye.

 

[karamazov80]

I don't think Banner was possessed by Loki. I figured he grabbed the scepter because the cube had an affect of amplifying his aggression (like the Ring analogy Khev is using). But when Hulk turned, he was irrationally lashing out because Hulk hadn't encountered those guys yet, and didn't share Banner's feelings and experiences toward the other Avengers. It might have been amplified a bit, but it wasn't possession or his eyes would have been black.