devilof76
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If Man of Steel isn't what I hope, I won't be holding my breath for JLA.
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thenammagazine
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The problem is though, that they essentially pointed and laughed at what Marvel was attempting even going on record saying it'd never work.
Just out of curiousity where is this "record" of WB saying that Avengers wouldn't work? Who's the studio exec, what interview, etc.? I believe it I just want to read it for myself.
thenammagazine
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Mike should have all that info.
He posted the quotes in here before and I personally think he's taking them out of context. It read more along the lines of Batman and Superman, as they are now couldn't exist in the same universe. I didn't see anything about them saying Avengers wasn't going to work.
lerath666
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no, they did, it was in an interview as early as last year, they said something to the effect of " a major super-hero cross over movie would not be something that will ever work on the big screen"
it was all over kotaku not too long ago, because the SAME guy who said it, was the guy who was announcing they were going right for the juggular with a JLA movie, THEN going back to do the individual films.
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George Miller's was supposed to run concurrently to both the Nolan Batman and the Singer Superman franchises. It was supposed to be a different continuity than what was going on there. WB wants only one continuity in their film worlds, the last article I read stated they were afraid that audiences would get confused and not be able to keep them apart.
WB has been working on Wonder Woman for example since 2000. I'm sure there are dozens upon dozens of treatments based on these heroes not being used. Mark Millar himself submitted three different film Superman scripts that were never used.
It's all on Google. I've posted them in multiple threads, even different quotes from different articles but it's not like I have a super secret database of this ____. All it takes is a simple search.
If you think they are out of context then search them out yourself. There are articles as far back as 2004 from multiple producers and industry folks saying a hero team would never work. WB has said something like the Justice League would cost more than the film would ever bring in multiple times. Wolfgang Petersen said that when he was actively working on Superman vs. Batman that the executives didn't believe that it would work because of the difficulties of bringing two heroes with such different backstories together would cause audiences to be bored and confused. Even George Miller said that there were plenty of hurdles about bringing the team together because there were no backstories for any of that continuity. That the script was revised so many times to try and find balance. Of course they never said "The Avengers won't work" but after Iron Man was released they were asked specifically about their own team films and simply replied as if no team film would work without saying them specifically but it didn't take a medium to figure out what they were talking about.
WB has the rights to all of them yet never did anything with them yet tried to get them all done separately? It's obvious that they had no faith it'd work. Hell before Marvel Studios did multiple picture deals, WB was only signing people for three. Even Reynolds was signed for three ignoring the chance of a Justice League film and focusing on three GL films. Bale did three and was signed for three whereas you had Downey signed for three plus Avengers and of course Evans and Ruffalo's multi picture deals that include cameos and Jackson's 9 picture deal. Marvel Studios changed the game, WB could have done all that ____ in 2008, hell 1998 if they wanted to, they had less hurdles to get through. Geoff Johns as late as 2010 said no to a JLA film because it'd be too complicated but then after The Avengers was first previewed after Cap, suddenly was mums the word and then went to "yeah it's happening".
Most of the producers said it over and over, they didn't even want to bring the civilian identities into them. Superman Returns was supposed to have a cameo from Hal Jordan on the plan that was saved (something that happens before his gets his ring in the books), Green Lantern a cameo from Lucius Fox and Clark Kent. WB all said no to all. They didn't want any crossover. Now after The Avengers they are dying for it.
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I heard Nolan originally wanted his Man of Steel to exist independently from his Batman and the greater DC Universe. Will this still be the case?
intothevoid
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Thats true from what I've read about Nolan wanting it to be independent
I'm betting thats not going to be the case though - I think this will be weaved into a wider DC universe and Cavill will play Supes in any JLA film
thenammagazine
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Fingers crossed. It's time for WB to get the ball rolling. They should've been the first to do this instead of being left holding their juevos and playing catch-up.
It really is sad WB hasn't gotten on with this yet. And they own ALL of their characters still. Marvel farmed so many of theirs out and they still managed to get their act together and form the Avengers. WB is just being stupid. And if they think they can just dive headfirst into a JL movie without setting up some of the non-Batman/Superman guys, then they are even stupider. Martian Manhunter can be introduced in the film much like Hawkeye or Maria Hill, but you're going to have to do more than that do get people up to speed on the Flash, Aquaman, or even Wonder Woman. And it wouldn't hurt to reintroduce GL 
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The real question is who does the future of the comic book movie belong to. Marvel's been pretty much dominating the past few years with DC only really holding onto Batman.
With Avengers over, I'd say probably not so many people realise they are working on a sequel doing it again by building upto it with a few films in between. But Iron Man is going to be a gamble this time out, they don't really have anything solid atm imo.
Neither does DC after TDKR though, it seems the future for all these studios could be decided based on the success of Amazing Spiderman, Man of Steel, and Iron Man 3.
If Marvel can't get RDJ back for the 2nd Avengers they may as well make it a straight to dvd. If Man of Steel flops DC has no hope of a JL. And if Spiderman flops those rights will probably revert back to Marvel. Interesting stuff coming.
With Avengers over, I'd say probably not so many people realise they are working on a sequel doing it again by building upto it with a few films in between. But Iron Man is going to be a gamble this time out, they don't really have anything solid atm imo.
Neither does DC after TDKR though, it seems the future for all these studios could be decided based on the success of Amazing Spiderman, Man of Steel, and Iron Man 3.
If Marvel can't get RDJ back for the 2nd Avengers they may as well make it a straight to dvd. If Man of Steel flops DC has no hope of a JL. And if Spiderman flops those rights will probably revert back to Marvel. Interesting stuff coming.
thenammagazine
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Honestly, it'll stay the same. Marvel will continue to dominate since the pictures are done by Marvel Studios and distributed through the film companies. This way, the comic company has control over the stories told and this formula has, for the most part, proven a monumental success. WB will still struggle with hits here and there, but mostly misses, because they're completely inept when it comes to their properties. Warner Brothers gets too involved in the films instead of letting DC take the reigns and reproduce some of their fantastic animated stuff in a live-action genre.
Depends on what you mean by "DC" and "Marvel." Both companies are putting out some pretty putrid comics nowadays. Bruce Timm and company aren't DC proper. And if Joe Q was behind the Marvel movies, I can only assume they would suck horribly.
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Fingers crossed. It's time for WB to get the ball rolling. They should've been the first to do this instead of being left holding their juevos and playing catch-up.
It will be independent. Snyder was quoted in March saying this:
So a Justice League film won't connect with MoS and won't be made to. That doesn't mean that WB can't use one of Cavill's contractual obligations to do a Justice League film but don't look for any groundlaying there.
A JLA film is a lot further away than WB would like to make us think especially since I doubt Snyder will change his ideas midstream or the studio make him. Remember with MoS they are playing a bigger game than a team film, they need it to be a hit in order help keep the rights the character alone.
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Well last year they formed a label to do just that - it was implied that it would shepherd the DC characters just as Marvel Studios has on their side- with creating a greater over arching strategy for the characters in all media. Funny that we haven't seen anything out of that yet though.
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The problem with that is WB wants to have Marvel Studios but they want to have it four years ago. They created that separate entity yet instead of allowing people to do their jobs they are also pushing and pulling for them to hurry up and get everything done yesterday.
Anything like Avengers after Avengers will simply be a knock-off of... Avengers.
It won't seem fresh. It won't seem new. It will be compared.
DC should focus on getting Superman up and running again, and figuring out what the hell they're gonna do with Batman now.... and establishing another tentpole character (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, whatever). If they can revive their characters then they can worry about the Justice League.
Question: with Superman, who can do anything, why the hell do they need anyone else? Especially Batman?
It won't seem fresh. It won't seem new. It will be compared.
DC should focus on getting Superman up and running again, and figuring out what the hell they're gonna do with Batman now.... and establishing another tentpole character (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, whatever). If they can revive their characters then they can worry about the Justice League.
Question: with Superman, who can do anything, why the hell do they need anyone else? Especially Batman?
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