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[DiFabio]

I chalk the lack of a manhunt up to the fact that 8 years have passed. You saw the beginning of TDK; their suspects ranged from Abraham Lincoln to Bigfoot. I admit that they probably would've stepped things up a bit after an influential public figure, along with some of their brothers, was murdered by this man, but you've got to think of it this way: this is a guy that can trash the town in his tank, and still disappear.

That little ****** Coleman Reese was able to figure it out in just a year of Batman's career. A year of Batman's career. He wouldn't be taken in for questioning?

John Blake, who was probably just a kid at the time figured it out by just looking at his eyes.

Are you telling me that a Detective or a bounty hunter (where were the bounties on Batman's head? If only Bane was a real mercenary) wouldn't have the ability to try and apprehend the legendary Batman?

This is a world that inhabits the Joker for crying out loud. Batman would be urban legend status because of the murders. People would go nuts that this guardian of Gotham snapped and is out there, somewhere.



What about naysayers in TDK like Mike Engel? He was a strong opponent of Batman and thought he was doing more wrong than good. At the end though, he's RIGHT there at the Prewitt Siege being saved by none other than Batman.

I'm sure there would be a good arc there, like, him being a strong supporter of the Batman. You don't think people would doubt the lie to begin with? I mean how does something like that even conceivably work with law, government and all that.

Like I said, the 7 year thing is just a way to avoid all that conveniently. If people are fine with that, that's fine. I'm not though, especially considering my love of TDK.

 

[DiFabio]

I also think Gordon might be another reason why Bruce never continued his crusade. In TDKR, we already see that, even without Batman continuing, there was already doubt in the citizens of Gotham regarding whether he actually did it. If he continued his mission; stopping the muggers and pushers of Gotham, that shadow of doubt would grow stronger, and that would lead to growing suspicion regarding Jim Gordon's story. He would, essentially, be putting his friend on the chopping block. Naturally, Batman isn't going to have any more sit downs at the GCPD, so all the heat would land on Gordon. Batman wouldn't do that.

Alright.


But let's also imagine the pressure on Gordon to catch the man (and they KNOW he's a man too) that killed those innocent cops and the backlash if Gordon doesn't deliver the goods . . .



Coulda been awesome story material there, I'm telling you. We don't even get the satisfaction of Batman (or skimask Bruce) and Gordon meeting for the first time, nor THEIR reactions at the hospital. Just a quick, awkward cut to, "the Batman must come back". For as much as a big deal as this lie seemed to be, it sure was downplayed in the sequel.

We don't get to see a hunted Batman.

We don't get to see the city reacting to news that Batman is a murdering psychopath.

We don't get to see the pressure from the city in Gordon's inability to apprehend Batman (he was JUST made Commissioner when Batman became an enemy).

We don't get to see Gordon and Batman contacting each other, or warning about manhunts.

We don't get to see the reaction or "where have you been" moment when the two friends meet after 7 years.

We don't get to see the cities reaction to the revelation of the conspiracy.

 

[batfan08]

Reese wasn't exactly a man of utmost character. He was already threatened by Fox, as well as The Joker, so, after finding out that Batman went postal, and remembering how easily Wayne accessed him before, I don't think he'd put his neck on the chopping block again. Plus, as you said, who's to say that Gordon wasn't throwing people off his trail? The same could be said for bounty hunters and the like. Even if they did manage to find a way to Wayne, what evidence would they have? I'm sure that he wised up after the Reese incident, and, having quit, most likely destroyed everything that would've linked him to it. Any trackers could be dealt with by Gordon. They'd be interfering with a police investigation, and would most likely be charged with obstruction of justice. Eventually, though, as any tracker knows, the trail would run cold.

Don't get me wrong, after reading all of your points, I would've loved to have seen some of those things explored, but that's not the way things happened, and I'm happy with what we got. It would be awesome if Nolan decided to revisit that period in a prequel of some sort, but, unfortunately, I don't see that happening.

 

[karamazov80]

. . .it's just a movie

 

[batfan08]

To be honest, I like this. DiFabio and I both respect each other enough to stay civilized, so it's kind of fun debating our differing opinions about the films.

 

[DiFabio]

Reese wasn't exactly a man of utmost character. He was already threatened by Fox, as well as The Joker, so, after finding out that Batman went postal, and remembering how easily Wayne accessed him before, I don't think he'd put his neck on the chopping block again.

Oh no, of course he wouldn't . . . but that wouldn't stop the police coming and all of Gotham coming in and knocking his door down. This is the guy that said he knew who Batman was. This was the guy that every person with a loved one in a hospital wanted to kill.

If they couldn't find Batman . . . they could definitely find Coleman Reese. You know what I mean?

Plus, as you said, who's to say that Gordon wasn't throwing people off his trail? The same could be said for bounty hunters and the like. Even if they did manage to find a way to Wayne, what evidence would they have? I'm sure that he wised up after the Reese incident, and, having quit, most likely destroyed everything that would've linked him to it. Any trackers could be dealt with by Gordon. They'd be interfering with a police investigation, and would most likely be charged with obstruction of justice. Eventually, though, as any tracker knows, the trail would run cold.

Film is a visual medium, show the audience this. They don't even really give any valid reasons either. All we get is, Bruce quit, he's a cripple, Gordon's family have gone to Ohio (and he's a warhero, not exactly sure how or why), there's a ridiculous Dent act and that's really it. Bring on the new characters like Foley, Dagget, and Blake and some random secondaries, forget about Ramirez, Stephens, Mike Engel, Coleman Reese, etc.

Four years later and that's the best they can come up with? The big reveal of the "uber important" Dent conspiracy is . . . a letter that Gordon kept in his pocket for a few nights/days, that just so happens to be read by the big bad baddie in town? And then everyone doesn't really give a **** afterwards anyway?

As far as storytelling goes, that's sorta "meh" to me. Like something we'd see as fan fiction or something.

 

[Sachiel]

Is this the Justice League thread or The Dark Knight Rises thread?

 

[Boba Ben]

This is the diet Dark Knight Rises thread.

 

[batfan08]

I do get where you're coming from; I shouldn't have to fill in the blanks. It would've been neat if they did some sort of "sins of the father" thing, where Bane brings James Jr. and the rest of Gordon's family out onto the football field as a way of revealing Gordon's lie. I don't think that people didn't give a ****, but I think that there were bigger things at stake, and Gordon, while he did lie, lied to protect the people. I think that there are flaws in TDKR, but I guess it's just a matter of perspective. I think that we could find flaws in anything, and I do acknowledge that there are some in TDKR, but I just choose to overlook them because, at the end of the day, for me, at least, the pros outweigh the cons, and I do think that, for all of its flaws, it's a great film, and a great end to the trilogy.

 

[batfan08]

This is the TDKR thread for civilized people.

It's kind of funny that people were discussing the JL film in the TDKR thread, though. Anyway, here are a few of my ideas that might put things back on topic:

I agree wholeheartedly with some aspects of your post, but disagree with a lot, too. Before the films, the likes of Iron Man, and X-Men were nobodies. Cap was known because of his name (and what he represented), and Hulk was only remembered because of the Bixbty/Ferrigno series. Saying that they're A-list compared to characters who either haven't been exposed, or haven't been done properly is a bit unfair. Personally, I think that, if done right, the likes of The Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and even Aquaman could blow a lot of those characters on your list out of the water. Aquaman, for example, is a joke because people don't fully understand him.

If WB went into it as an underwater superhero fighting an underwater super villain with his fish communicating super powers, it would fail, but, imagine if they took it in a different direction; if it were an epic fantasy adventure steeped in the mythology of a real legend. The legend of a lost civilization known as Atlantis. The prodigal son returns to take back his Kingdom; the betrayal of his sibling for the throne, all of these things in one epic story (possibly multiple films) from the likes of, say, Peter Jackson? They could have a critical and commercial success on their hands, but the important thing, for such a film to take off, would be to first get a character like Aquaman engrained in the public consciousness. Keep him mysterious, let people wonder about where this guy came from, and take him seriously. A film like JL could be just what he needs.

Same goes for Wonder Woman, and the mythology aspect could be just what is needed to tie the WW and Aquaman franchises together. Steep it in mythology. Ares declares war on humanity, and you have mythological beasts like Minotaurs and Gorgons ravaging our world. The gods decide that it must be stopped, and, thus, the Amazons are tasked with finding a suitable warrior to lead the way. You could have a brief nod to the Atlanteans with Poseidon commanding them to fight for the seas. Again, though, they need to get people to care about these characters before spending millions on individual films.

Picture it: Wonder Woman encounters Aquaman, who is slaying a hydra, in the middle of a large action sequence in her film.

 

[devilof76]

This is the diet Dark Knight Rises thread.

 

[brucecamblzchin]

This is the diet Dark Knight Rises thread.

lmfaooooooo

 

[JonD7]

This thread made me realize again... why I hate Nolan's Batman.

I hope we get a new Batman for Justice League, along with a reboot of the Green Lantern.

 

[intothevoid]

FFS, I go to bed and then America wakes up and a million-squillion pages are added to the thread

This is the diet Dark Knight Rises thread.

lmfaooooooo

I'll let batfan hold the fort here. He's doing well

 

[Russell1982]

Batfan and Difabio, the only couple of times recently I've ventured into the dark knight rises thread for anything I've pretty much left after reading about a page, as its full of the same people's petty arguments and trying to belittle each other, but I'm so glad I've just witnessed a really decent conversation between you two guys, both rising great points. It's wanted to say its really refreshing to see two people with opposing views discussing a movie and respecting each others opinions.

As for the movie, I'm honestly torn by it. I was disappointed and I don't think it lives up to the other two, but I think there are some good things too. The first scene where batman returns was done great I think, all the lights going off and him whizzing past on the bat pod and taking everyone out. Was a really great scene. I also loved seeing what was basically an adaptation of parts of some of my favourite batman stories on screen, knightfall, dark knight returns and no mans land. (Although having recently watched the new dark knight returns movie, I think they done a much better job).
I agree with Difabio though, I would have much rather seen a movie set just after the dark knight, with batman having to operate more in secret again, as he did in batman begins, being a wanted criminal but not letting that stop him. Seeing Gordon being forced to send people after batman but secretly warning him, and I'm sure they could have worked in bane as the villain still if they wanted, having him flush out batman, though instead of forcing him out of retirement, just forcing him out of being so covert, and they could have really developed the idea of Gordon covering up dents murders.

Oh well, I guess it's al moot now, just a shame to think about what could have been. All that said, I still enjoy the dark knight rises, I just think its a let down compared to what we could have gotten.

Sorry for carrying on the off topic ness. Lol. As for the justice league, I really hope they don't mess it up and that we get a great new batman.

 

[Adolfo]

I do get where you're coming from; I shouldn't have to fill in the blanks. It would've been neat if they did some sort of "sins of the father" thing, where Bane brings James Jr. and the rest of Gordon's family out onto the football field as a way of revealing Gordon's lie. I don't think that people didn't give a ****, but I think that there were bigger things at stake, and Gordon, while he did lie, lied to protect the people. I think that there are flaws in TDKR, but I guess it's just a matter of perspective. I think that we could find flaws in anything, and I do acknowledge that there are some in TDKR, but I just choose to overlook them because, at the end of the day, for me, at least, the pros outweigh the cons, and I do think that, for all of its flaws, it's a great film, and a great end to the trilogy.

Exactly...If we can relate to the characters and the pros outweigh the cons its a good or great film...over analyzing a film may likely lead to disaster like some have done...a film is an artwork by the director/production subject to interpretation by it's viewers (of course taken very seriously by some derranged comic book fanatics)...for those that do not go into extremes picking apart scenes etc, and just focus on the basic story/messages/themes/viewer emotional attachments to the characters,etc,etc, usually enjoy the films better than the guy who can write an overanalyzed 100,000 word essay on why the film and why many of it's scenes stink...

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

. . .it's just a movie

to a special breed of nerd, it's a way of life.

 

[LoneWolf]

Another article:

Batman to be rebooted first by 'Justice League' movie in 2015

 

[brucecamblzchin]

They would have had this planned since before TDKR started filming I imagine and after Avengers went mental I reckon they've stepped things up. I just hope they can pull it off - do you reckon Cavill is signed up for a justice league flick?

 

[LoneWolf]

^^ I hope Cavill is the Superman of the Justice League movie.. It'll just be too confusing for fans if they also cast a different Superman for their JL movies, since fans have to get used to a new Bats, as they have a very vivid memory of Bale as Batman.