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I used to be like this. But then I drank a WHOLE bottle of THC Coffee.....made me basicly trip, and killed my abilty to smoke tiny amounts.
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I used to be like this. But then I drank a WHOLE bottle of THC Coffee.....made me basicly trip, and killed my abilty to smoke tiny amounts.
GrueSam
The Queen of Darkness
Your post makes me so angry I can't even stand it.
devilof76
Super Freak
To Darth Cruel -
You want a solid reason? Prohibition is a violation of individual rights. That same thing you dared not name but were clear on your objection to. If it is right for people to own what they produce, you can't pick and choose which people do or don't get to keep what's theirs. Either the right is universal and absolute, or to speak of rights at all is a joke. If you really believe that it is unjust to be told how much of what you produce you will be allowed to keep, you are obligated to vote for decriminalization. Any expansion of the individual rights of one advances the individual rights of all.
To Prog -
How can you argue for your right to be free of obligations to others, and then argue that others should be obliged to not be free for your sake? Seriously.
Welfare steals your wealth the exact same way that criminalization uses law enforcement to steal from people who sell drugs. Either both of you have the right, or neither of you have it.
You want a solid reason? Prohibition is a violation of individual rights. That same thing you dared not name but were clear on your objection to. If it is right for people to own what they produce, you can't pick and choose which people do or don't get to keep what's theirs. Either the right is universal and absolute, or to speak of rights at all is a joke. If you really believe that it is unjust to be told how much of what you produce you will be allowed to keep, you are obligated to vote for decriminalization. Any expansion of the individual rights of one advances the individual rights of all.
To Prog -
How can you argue for your right to be free of obligations to others, and then argue that others should be obliged to not be free for your sake? Seriously.
Welfare steals your wealth the exact same way that criminalization uses law enforcement to steal from people who sell drugs. Either both of you have the right, or neither of you have it.
Ditto. That was one of the dumbest things I have ever read in this place.
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devilof76
Super Freak
No, you should enter the conversation and say what you mean.
agen_kolar
Super Freak
Guess what I did yesterday? 
devilof76
Super Freak
Smoked pot?
Maglor - But now your meaning is clear. You don't have to debate it.
Maglor - But now your meaning is clear. You don't have to debate it.
agen_kolar
Super Freak
Actually that is what I was trying to get out of people. I bet there are more people who do it also. Point goes back to one of your post where you said if they make pot illegal they should alcohol to. That's also why I asked how much it took to get buzzed. The difference between alcohol and pot is that almost anyone can drink 1 or 2 drinks and not be affected. But as people posted in this thread, almost all of them said they are stoned after 1 joint.
Now I wouldn't work drunk, drive drunk, raise my kids drunk, go to school drunk. But those of you who smoke pot, who have admitted that smoking 1 joint gets you stoned are doing those same things. I work with people who go out at lunch and get stoned. Same with driving. Everyone I know who gets stoned has driven at one time or another stoned.
I know it's unfair to lump you all in the same boat. I'm sure some of you are as responsible as you can be smoking something that by it's very nature is supposed to make you high. But others of you are not. You know who you are. People shouldn't drive drunk and they shouldn't drive stoned either. Simple as that.
My feelings are pot is a gateway drug. I know someone is going to say I am full of BS, I don't care. I have witnessed first hand problems in my family from it. My feelings are legalizing it will lead to more people smoking it and more people with harder substance abuse problems. JMHO, which I am allowed.
agen_kolar
Super Freak
You shouldn't drink and drive just as much as you shouldn't smoke and drive. I don't know the statistics, but I don't hear much about people getting high, driving, and crashing/killing people. However, being a mind-altering substance, it's probably not the best idea.
I don't think it's a gateway drug. Once again, I don't know the statistics, but if I wasn't at work, I'd look them up. I know plenty of people who smoke and have never tried anything harder, and have no desire to. I myself fall into that category. I've smoked since high school, and still, have no desire to be a crack head or end up with meth mouth.
And your opinion is just as valid as mine. My thinking on it being a gateway drug stems from the reasoning that some people will do it so much that they just don't get the buzz they used to so they go harder. In this thread someone posted about building up a tolerance to it. Understand, I am not saying that person is going to go onto harder stuff. But I think others do. As I have stated, I have witnessed pot being used as a starter drug in my family and for the record I used to smoke pot. The only reason I post that is so you understand I do know the feeling you get from it. I used to love the feeling but then I had kids and decided to quit. I have no doubt that if it would have been legal way back then that I would have still smoked it.
FLOSI
Nerf Herder
Never... I treat it just as I would alcohol.
Individuals need to police themselves. Am I doing something illegal? Yes. Does that mean I compound that by driving while under the infulence of this substance? No. Do I ever smoke when my child is up, or around or in front of my child? Never. Would I ever smoke with my child asleep but we're the only two in the house? Nope... I treat it like booze. If I have the luxury of having the time to do nothing but chill it's cool.
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FLOSI
Nerf Herder
Man, I wish I had that sort of tolerance again. I spend about $400 as well every 2 weeks but its still cheaper then buying aged scotch.
I love FPS, Battlefield, and Call of Duty are so much more intense.
But Ghostbusters and Arkham Asylum are fun too.
Well, I've quit now, so the $50.00 I would spend on an 8th (a very very fat 8th) over a month or two is now nothing... $400? Do you guys all have cards and buy from shops?
Speaking of shops, if one goes to a Doctor, pays his $85-100 bucks and gets a card does that go on your medical record? I was curious as to how that would effect someone long term if, say, you're trying to get medical insurance down the line?
Although I don't agree with legalizing pot I applaud you for the way you handle your smoking of it. Bravo.
FLOSI
Nerf Herder
I'm not even sure I'm 100% convinced it should be "legalized"... After all, that's such a broad term. I'd want to know all the details before committing either way. (age limit, restrictions, etc)
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
Its a chicken and the egg issue. Without my freedom from the social impact of others, it would be selfmutilating to grant someone a freedom that I personally believe will end up harming me (fiscally in this case). You can argue that I'm injuring the freedoms of others, but I find the injury that the welfare system puts on the innocent whole to be a lot more injurious than the moderating of recreational drug use of an individual.
Now, I think an easy rebuttle would be to say me incarcerating someone is worse than them taxing me.
However, I think you can blame me (as a voter) for the laws itself and for establishing reasonable punishments...but from there the failure to follow the law becomes the individual's own self injury and not an injury by the voters.
If you argue the point further, I would have to ask, whats the point of ANY LAW? And how is the voter supporting this law any different than a voter supporting laws against anything? Is this an argument about the individual freedoms of everyone? If so then a lot of laws should be repealed and most of them will have a lot bigger impact than the right to get high.
Shatterer of Dreams
Super Freak
i do have a problem with the whole gateway term thats used for pot, lets be realistic about this for a minute. i would say that 98% of people who try pot have tried alcohol first. everyone i know falls into this statistic. alcohol is the true gateway if you want to use that term.
not everyone who drinks moves onto the harder stuff (though we can argue that alcohol itself is a harder substance) and not everyone who smokes pot goes onto the harder stuff, this is something that always comes down to the individual.
i am sorry that you have seen and been affected by drug abuse, i have been as well, but if we are to blame pot then we also have to lay blame on alcohol because everyone does that first.
this is a smart way to be. the one thing i've always hated about the stoner culture is how we're all supposed to be stupid hippies that think we can do everything when we are stoned. do i like being in a car when i'm stoned? yes but as a passenger - i love listening to good music and watching the world go by, it can be a beautiful experience. am I doing something illegal? nope i have my script
. bottom line is you have to be smart about it and there are a lot of us out there that are smart about it but as with anything there are those out there that are not smart about it. do i have all the answers? of course not i have my opinions as everyone else here does but i do think that i speak from a place of knowledge about this since i actually do it.
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