Legalizing Marijuana

[devilof76]

It's embarassing because you have no natural right to tell people that they can't smoke pot. Having to ask for permission reeks of soft totalitarianism the likes of which has been corroding the spine of this contry for a century. Thanks for piling on. Every little bit helps to sink us.

As for the economic benefits, perhaps you're aware that this nation is in horrific shape. You're right that legalizing pot won't do as much good as radically cutting corporate gains taxes, privatizing education (or atleast making the option viable for those who are sick of being taxed to pay for the mediocrity factories our publilc schools have become), eliminating 'worker's rights' entitlement legislation that makes exporting jobs a matter of survival for American businesses, abolishing the Federal Reserve before it monetarizes the grotesque debt brought on by the fiat money orgy of the past 20 years, or a hundred other things that will never happen.

It will create an exportable commodity (taxation of which would only further erode the value of), but feel free to be the starving man who turns down rice because he thinks that doing so will turn it into a steak.

Who do you think you are to deny others the chance to increase their wealth?

 

[King Darkness]

They need to legalize prostitution nation wide

Telling someone they cant smoke dope is one thing, but telling 2 (or more)consenting adults they cant exchange money for sex is complete bull____.

 

[devilof76]

And cocaine.

 

[King Darkness]

I dont know about coke, but sure why not, while were at it lets legalize meth and heroine too

 

[fosing]

They need to legalize prostitution nation wide

Telling someone they cant smoke dope is one thing, but telling 2 (or more)consenting adults they cant exchange money for sex is complete bull____.

you cant eradicate the world's oldest profession....may as well roll with it.

 

[Darkseed]

It's embarassing because you have no natural right to tell people that they can't smoke pot. Having to ask for permission reeks of soft totalitarianism the likes of which has been corroding the spine of this contry for a century. Thanks for piling on. Every little bit helps to sink us.

As for the economic benefits, perhaps you're aware that this nation is in horrific shape. You're right that legalizing pot won't do as much good as radically cutting corporate gains taxes, privatizing education (or atleast making the option viable for those who are sick of being taxed to pay for the mediocrity factories our publilc schools have become), eliminating 'worker's rights' entitlement legislation that makes exporting jobs a matter of survival for American businesses, abolishing the Federal Reserve before it monetarizes the grotesque debt brought on by the fiat money orgy of the past 20 years, or a hundred other things that will never happen.

It will create an exportable commodity (taxation of which would only further erode the value of), but feel free to be the starving man who turns down rice because he thinks that doing so will turn it into a steak.

Who do you think you are to deny others the chance to increase their wealth?

A very high level overview to make your point. Alot of fingering pointing at those with different views but lacking a quick look in the mirror. The country's sense of entitlement helped create the mess and we point fingers at everyone else why it failed.

People feel entitled to smoke pot, entitled to privatized education the list goes on....yet then blame entitlement legislation? Another example of works for you (good) works for others (bad). Can't have it both ways otherwise makes one a hypocrite like everyone else.

Back on topic, personally don't agree with legalizing pot. I don't support the behavior because I have no use for it. I am not supporting a larger government conspiracy, simply a personal preference.

 

[devilof76]

Entitled? To be left alone? To be free to not be taxed to pay for other people's kids' education; to be free to partake in recreation of my choosing; to be free from being forced to obey the demands of beggars who depend on me to have what they cannot produce themselves???

You're goddamned right I am.

No one's asking you to support anyone's behavior. They're asking you and your arrogant moralizing (and equivocating) to mind your own goddamned business.

 

[fosing]

it is a good day to be an unterrified jeffersonian democrat.

 

[devilof76]

I dont know about coke, but sure why not, while were at it lets legalize meth and heroine too

Aderol is legal. So is oxycontin.

The one stipulation I would place on the full repeal of narcotic prohibition is that government rehabilitation programs be completely dismantled. If people want to destroy their lives by doing hard drugs, that's their business; they don't get to repair the damage on the taxpayers' dime. They also could not claim disability, or request welfare to alleviate their condition.

Of course, even with hard drugs being illegal, they do all that anyway, which leads me to conclude that the problem isn't actually the drug use---the problem is welfare. It encourages abuse by transferring the cost of the negative effects from the user to the members of society who aren't too ____ed up to hold a job and have taxes sucked out of them.

(...casts the proponents of welfare who oppose legalization in a not-so flattering light, huh? Potentially as bad as the proponents of welfare who advocate legalization...)

 

[Darkseed]

Entitled? To be left alone? To be free to not be taxed to pay for other people's kids' education; to be free to partake in recreation of my choosing; to be free from being forced to obey the demands of beggars who depend on me to have what they cannot produce themselves???

You're goddamned right I am.

No one's asking you to support anyone's behavior. They're asking you and your arrogant moralizing (and equivocating) to mind your own goddamned business.

Find it interesting people want to be left alone when it benefits them obtaining their agenda without question those same people often partake in certain entitlements when it benefits them without much fuss. Said all along it is give and take some clearly some feel it doesn't apply

Really careless about people's lifestyle within their home but what has been proven over and over again is it never stays within the home. Stupidity reigns and it becomes a social issue which I then have a right to voice my opinion.

 

[devilof76]

Crime is crime. It doesn't matter what the condition of the criminal is. If they were all prosecuted with equally extreme prejudice, and full restitution was enforced, what is the difference? A thief is a thief is a thief. A rapist is a rapist. A murderer is a murderer. Drugs don't cause a man to commit crimes. Or are you saying that the man is not responsible, and the drugs made him do it?

That's bull____.

Find it interesting people want to be left alone when it benefits them obtaining their agenda without question those same people often partake in certain entitlements when it benefits them without much fuss. Said all along it is give and take some clearly some feel it doesn't apply

You're equivocating. My 'entitlement' to the right to keep my own business is not equal to your 'entitlement' to force your way into it. My entitlement is sanctioned by nature; yours is sanctioned by a majority mob with the guns and jails to compel compliance. I take nothing from you. Don't tell me that my right to be free of your thievery is equal your alleged right to steal.

In truth, a right is the opposite of an entitlement. There is no moral equivalence, and only one of us is walking the high ground.

 

[Darkseed]

Crime is crime. It doesn't matter what the condition of the criminal is. If they were all prosecuted with equally extreme prejudice, and full restitution was enforced, what is the difference? A thief is a thief is a thief. A rapist is a rapist. A murderer is a murderer. Drugs don't cause a man to commit crimes. Or are you saying that the man is not responsible, and the drugs made him do it?

That's bull____.



You're equivocating. My 'entitlement' to the right to keep my own business is not equal to your 'entitlement' to force your way into it. My entitlement is sanctioned by nature; yours is sanctioned by a majority mob with the guns and jails to compel compliance. I take nothing from you. Don't tell me that my right to be free of your thievery is equal your alleged right to steal.

In truth, a right is the opposite of an entitlement. There is no moral equivalence, and only one of us is walking the high ground.

Crime is a crime therefore, people enjoying illegal recreational drugs are criminals and should be treated as such. Totally agree. People are flawed by nature and drugs interfere with rational, logic thought. Do drugs directly affect a persons choice absolutely not but they can obstruct reason reinforcing stupidity.

Whatever you do in your home is your business. Beat the wife, put kids in a cage or ingest any illegal substance inside your home I don't care. Once issues leaves the home (always does) and society foots the bill damn straight time to get in your business. Gladly wear the holy roller, gun yielding, compliance managing badge. Wife reports abuse law enforcement, shelters, judicial system etc. becomes involved time to care. Kids go to foster care medical expenses etc. tally again time to care. Get behind the wheel juiced up risking innocent lives plus the plethora of expenses for dumb intentions gone wrong. Time to care.

You want to be left alone to do whatever, whenever without accountability may I suggest buying an island.

 

[Deckard]

Spoiler

I'm stoned.

 

[Darkseed]

Spoiler

I'm stoned.

great timing

 

[Deckard]

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[The Ween]

Aderol is legal. So is oxycontin.

The one stipulation I would place on the full repeal of narcotic prohibition is that government rehabilitation programs be completely dismantled. If people want to destroy their lives by doing hard drugs, that's their business; they don't get to repair the damage on the taxpayers' dime. They also could not claim disability, or request welfare to alleviate their condition.

Of course, even with hard drugs being illegal, they do all that anyway, which leads me to conclude that the problem isn't actually the drug use---the problem is welfare. It encourages abuse by transferring the cost of the negative effects from the user to the members of society who aren't too ____ed up to hold a job and have taxes sucked out of them.

(...casts the proponents of welfare who oppose legalization in a not-so flattering light, huh? Potentially as bad as the proponents of welfare who advocate legalization...)

 

[OSCORP]

I don't smoke it anymore. (maybe if it was offered, once in a blue moon) But there's no reason it should be illegal.. NONE!

 

[devilof76]

Crime is a crime therefore, people enjoying illegal recreational drugs are criminals and should be treated as such. Totally agree. People are flawed by nature and drugs interfere with rational, logic thought. Do drugs directly affect a persons choice absolutely not but they can obstruct reason reinforcing stupidity.

So the only reason theft, rape, and murder are crimes is because there's a law against them? Because that's the only way you could possibly classify growing, selling, possessing and smoking marijuana as being in the same class as those transgressions (i.e., as criminal).

Whatever you do in your home is your business. Beat the wife, put kids in a cage or ingest any illegal substance inside your home I don't care. Once issues leaves the home (always does) and society foots the bill damn straight time to get in your business.

In the first place, I have no right to beat my wife, even in the privacy of my own home. In the second place, my rights are still fully in tact when I leave my home.

Gladly wear the holy roller, gun yielding, compliance managing badge. Wife reports abuse law enforcement, shelters, judicial system etc. becomes involved time to care. Kids go to foster care medical expenses etc. tally again time to care. Get behind the wheel juiced up risking innocent lives plus the plethora of expenses for dumb intentions gone wrong. Time to care.

So why isn't alcohol illegal? And are you saying that sober people are incapable of these things?

You want to be left alone to do whatever, whenever without accountability may I suggest buying an island.

If I recall correctly, there were men in 1776 who found their island, and then risked their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to rid themselves of those authorities who thought they had a right to control their lives.

If anyone should be going anywhere, it's the people who have corrupted that tradition, and who have broken the fundamental law that those men worked, fought, and thought for harder than anyone since. Criminals, as it were. Not sure how you can condescend to those breaking anti-drug laws, when the legislation, enforcement, and support of those laws is illegal.

Spoiler

I'm stoned.

Have you robbed, raped, and/or killed anyone yet?

 

[Darkseed]

If I recall correctly, there were men in 1776 who found their island, and then risked their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to rid themselves of those authorities who thought they had a right to control their lives.

If anyone should be going anywhere, it's the people who have corrupted that tradition, and who have broken the fundamental law that those men worked, fought, and thought for harder than anyone since. Criminals, as it were. Not sure how you can condescend to those breaking anti-drug laws, when the legislation, enforcement, and support of those laws is illegal.

Just sayin, perhaps revisiting a history book is in order. The 55 (or 56) MEN of 1776 who you speak were of PRIVILEGE and would be classified as CAUCASIAN dictated the laws that govern the colonies. Privileged, white, males decided the fate for the under privileged, women, children and minorities of the colonies. People didn't decide a group of privileged representatives did often discarding rights for the later of the group.

People were told back then (even those without a voice) what was expectable behavior and what wasn't. Exactly same condition you protest in your ongoing rants? The foundation is similar today the haves deciding laws for have nots except at least women and minorities have a voice. Perhaps I enjoy big brother, am part of a larger conspiracy theory or simply accept the good and bad with the system and move on.

Finding the discussion boring as everything circles back to a dislike over being told what to do (conforming). The way it is and always has been. The only way to influence change is do something about it, ranting on these boards won't change a thing.

 

[BadMoon]

Whatever you do in your home is your business. Beat the wife, put kids in a cage or ingest any illegal substance inside your home I don't care. Once issues leaves the home (always does) and society foots the bill damn straight time to get in your business.

Your views on law is pretty ____ed up. You do know this I hope?