Legalizing Marijuana

[occulum]

its a wonderful plant God put on this earth for us to use and enjoy ... ......

 

[The Ween]

People don't understand economics. For every $59.99 that Americans spend on a video game, do you realize that those Japanese companies are investing it in American SOIL!

Americans traded actual physical PROPERTY. For a 1mm thick disc of 10 hrs of entertainment. Time is endless. Land is not.

I enjoy my entertainment like everyone else, I'm just saying this is reality of American economics. Money is going out and not coming in.

If America legalized pot and no other country did. That means that people will be expending even more money on the most wasteful investment you can imagine all the while every other country continues to buy up our real estate. In 50 years every American would be under a foreign land lord, but hey we got pot! We would become slaves in our own country to foreigners, but we'll be happy and mellow slaves.

Why we started selling our land to foreigners is beyond me. Why they don't halt it now is beyond me as well. Though I could care less, legalizing pot isn't going to cause us to lose more land to foreign ownership any quicker.

 

[The Ween]

No, I'm saying that land will not be taken away from from the farmers in Kansas and such places. Everyone know that you need a specific climate to grow the best product. There is a reason that close to 90% of pot grown in the US is from California.

It could be easily grown between the orange trees.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Cheap beer? You know you could have used that money to truly stimulate the economy, right? You're just shifting money from one useless place (your pocket) to another useless place (the beer manufacturers).

And where did they farm those hops? Land that could have been used for food?

touche, but if you recall months (years?) ago in this thread I stipulated that introducing a new wrench is different than changing a wrench already there.

as it is, hypocricy makes people individuals and not programmed machines. I like beer. I don't like pot. You may like pot and not beer. It wouldn't bother me but doesn't mean I change my vote. Feel free to vote for prohibiting alc if you want. Also in this thread I said that people pick their own pet vice/taboos and lobby for them. I would too. Its human nature.

 

[Deadly Dagger]

I like beer, pot, wine and well drinks...see you guys in two years when pot is legal...SMOKERS UNITE!!! (..and non-smokers)

 

[Deadly Dagger]

in any case, i'm out of here and going to get wasted on cheap beer.

...please don't kill anyone and do this in the comfort of your own home...not in front of the kids please.

*smokes wonderful weed...and doesn''t kill anyone*

 

[ProgMatinee]

i'm not really tonight. was just being ironical

 

[Darkseed]

that's cool, but if you truely believe to each their own then you shouldn't care if it's legal or not.

Not true. Everyone has their opinion to which they are entitled thus to each their own. Totally different than caring whether pot is legalized. Being an active member in my community should such idea appear on a local ballot, I would petition against it.

 

[Deckard]

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[CelticPredator]

Dude...I just want to smoke some pot without having a panic attack every time. Legalize it because it's fun.

 

[Reefer Shark]

There's absolutely no legitimate reason for it to be illegal - seriously.

I wonder how many folks even know why it was criminalized in the first place

 

[devilof76]

Feel free to vote for prohibiting alc if you want. Also in this thread I said that people pick their own pet vice/taboos and lobby for them. I would too. Its human nature.

I would never. I respect your liberty. Have some respect for mine.

Speaking of which...

Being an active member in my community should such idea appear on a local ballot, I would petition against it.

Then you deserve the petitions against community mangers and Christmas trees during the holidays. You deserve to have your landscaping dictated by local ordinance. You deserve to have your life regimented by whoever decides to protest against whatever you do that they don't like.

If you think you can dictate the terms by which your neighbors will live their lives, be prepared to have yours dictated in turn.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I would never. I respect your liberty. Have some respect for mine.

Speaking of which...



Then you deserve the petitions against community mangers and Christmas trees during the holidays. You deserve to have your landscaping dictated by local ordinance. You deserve to have your life regimented by whoever decides to protest against whatever you do that they don't like.

If you think you can dictate the terms by which your neighbors will live their lives, be prepared to have yours dictated in turn.

everyone's lives are dictated by others...if they follow laws. Respecting liberty isn't about trading votes to form a large voting block coallition. If you trade your allegence to things you don't believe in in order to secure a vote for something totally unrelated, (such as if you're against Christmas Trees because someone is against pot) then you're a slave to your vice and have no liberty anyway.

 

[jinxx]

Tried marijuana once.............................Okay, fine! Like more than once! There, I said it! Not my thing. But anyhoo, all the power to those who wants it legalized.

 

[barryo]

how do you define the following image in this thread?

stoned = whoa !! that's so ____ing cool !!!!!!!

drunk = what in the ____ing hell is that ____????

 

[devilof76]

everyone's lives are dictated by others...if they follow laws. Respecting liberty isn't about trading votes to form a large voting block coallition. If you trade your allegence to things you don't believe in in order to secure a vote for something totally unrelated, (such as if you're against Christmas Trees because someone is against pot) then you're a slave to your vice and have no liberty anyway.

I didn't say I was against Christmas trees. I said that if you use your political clout to dictate the values of others, you give your consent to have your values dictated for you when the majority swings the other way. If that was what this country stood for, we would never have evolved past the Puritan monkeys who perpetrated the Massachusetts Witch Hysteria of 1692.

The purpose of law in a free society is to secure the liberty of the citizenry. It isn't to impose the moral prejudices of society on those whom the majority deems undesirable. The American system was designed to set men free from other men, i.e., to enshrine in fundamental law the sovereignty of the individual. The first sentence of your post quoted above would have been considered an abomination to the Founders. In fact, per the 9th Amendment, federal prohibition of any drug is unconstitutional. State prohibition is subject to majority decision, by which you are free to have your campaign to force conformity to your values. However, such campaigning is a tacit confession that your respect for the liberty of your neighbors is bankrupt, and were you to take that step, it would be simple justice for your own to be subject to the same.

 

[The Josh]

No, I'm saying that land will not be taken away from from the farmers in Kansas and such places. Everyone know that you need a specific climate to grow the best product. There is a reason that close to 90% of pot grown in the US is from California.

You're 110% correct on this. That would fly like a lead balloon around these parts.

 

[Star Puffs]

and is the solution to legalize everything, because if gangs didn't desolve when alchohol was legalized, then they won't desolve when pot is legalized. so the whole "world of violence would end" line is bull.

Who claimed that? That's a ridiculous strawman argument. There will always be organised crime as long as something people want to do is illegal.

The issue is drug prohibition creates a particularly high amount of violence because the demand and thus economic stakes are vastly higher than other criminal activities like prostitution or gambling. Drugs are used in virtually all societies. The demand is great and cuts across all lines, age, gender, socio-economic status. Wealthier or more educated drug user of course gravitate towards 'acceptable' drugs, e.g. prescription valium instead of heroin.

Also the fact is alcohol-related violence collapsed when alcohol prohibition ended. The history of legalising drugs, gambling and prostitution is validated by drastically less associated violence when openly regulated.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Really, it honestly seems like all the arguments against legalizing it are devoid of logic.

It just feels like since they were told it was bad at some point, that's all there is to it. Any postive points seem to be null and void in regards to the evil weed.

 

[Reefer Shark]

how do you define the following image in this thread?

stoned = whoa !! that's so ____ing cool !!!!!!!

drunk = what in the ____ing hell is that ____????

If was to look at that too long while drunk, I'm almost postive I would puke.