Husker75
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devilof76
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A poster in a federal law enforcement office in Augusta, Maine reads: "Maine's #1 cash crop is illegal."
More than potatoes. More than lobster. To obstruct that potential for raw wealth creation in an economy like this one is a sin. Period.
More than potatoes. More than lobster. To obstruct that potential for raw wealth creation in an economy like this one is a sin. Period.
ProgMatinee
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as i said earlier, i would easily concede legalizing pot or any other recreational drug if it meant i would never have to pay for someone else's welfare or food stamps or education ever again. if people have the right to fu-- up their own lives then they shouldn't look to the sober ones to put it back together for them.
personal accountability. i can live with that. but the question is can the pot smokers live without the straight laced people kicking in tax dollars?
personal accountability. i can live with that. but the question is can the pot smokers live without the straight laced people kicking in tax dollars?
ProgMatinee
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Except the increased costs to cover needed law enforcement, healthcare, increased welfare, increased need for IRS and narcotics agents, not to mention the heavy decline in GDP and production would negate the 8% sales tax or whatever dinky income you'd see.
Again, everyone compares alcohol to pot and says that pot wouldn't be any worse or rampant than drinking...so exactly how much revenue does alcohol sales tax make the states?
Deckard
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It isn't just the sales tax.
Do you have any idea how many bars are in the city of philadelphia? Thats money. Plain and simple.
Prohibition failed once. It'll fail again.
Do you have any idea how many bars are in the city of philadelphia? Thats money. Plain and simple.
Prohibition failed once. It'll fail again.
Mesa
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Pot makes people lazy...period. I don't know how that can be denied. I've had habitual pot smoking friends during and after college and they are undeniably the laziest of all my friends. They dropped out of college because they were too lazy to do the homework while stoned and they were fired from simple jobs like waitering at Chili's because they couldn't be bothered to go to work anymore.
Its an intellectually lazy argument to compare pot to alcohol. I am a fairly solid drinker I suppose. Probably finish a 12 pack every other week. Drink a margarita or 2 a week and maybe go through a bottle of wine every other week. But I've never had a drink before work. How many heavy pot smokers can state they don't hit up before 10am on a workday?
Drinking and smoking are different. If this was not true then the simple solution could be to tell pot enthusiasts to drink! After all, its exactly the same...
Regarding crime: the only "crime" that would decrease is "possession" itself. Its plain to me that legalizing pot would lead to MORE subsidiary crime. Such as DUI, burglary, muggings, murder, child endangerment, etc. Thiefs would rob people of their pot if they knew someone was a grower or was in possession.
I don't think an objective person can honestly say legalizing pot wouldn't open a whole can of worms.
When I used to get high, I certainly wouldn't do it before school or work. Those that would choose to do that would probably make the same choice with alcohol.
I'd always save getting stoned for a special occasion, like seeing a movie, having sex, or checking out the SS booth at SDCC.
Am I less motivated when I smoke... sometimes, that's why I did it, to relax. However, I can get just as motivated with a task in front of me, say cleaning the house, or painting, or reading a book.
I guess it just depends on the individual as to how they can and choose to handle the experience.
Deckard
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When I used to get high, I certainly wouldn't do it before school or work. Those that would choose to do that would probably make the same choice with alcohol.
I'd always save getting stoned for a special occasion, like seeing a movie, having sex, or checking out the SS booth at SDCC.
Am I less motivated when I smoke... sometimes, that's why I did it, to relax. However, I can get just as motivated with a task in front of me, say cleaning the house, or painting, or reading a book.
I guess it just depends on the individual as to how they can and choose to handle the experience.
Exactly. You guys don't think doctors drink the night before a surgery? They just don't do it before they have to work.
Plenty of people abusing alchohol, goto a rehab and tell me if more people are their for alchohol or pot. There are far far more dangerous prescription drugs. Pratically everyone on the road is popping some kind of pill. Just because its legal doesn't mean its right or good.
ProgMatinee
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i'm sure its "a lot" of money, but a substantial % of the revenues of a state? I doubt it. Just looking at me personally, my real estate taxes are about $2000 a year plus I probably paid $10,000 in state employment tax.
I spend maybe $50 a month on alcohol. But lets round that up to $100 for sh and gigs. So thats $1200 a year. 8% sales tax. Thats $96 a year.
So of the $12,096 that I paid the state/counties, $96 was from "vice" tax. Thats not even counting sales tax on other stuff i bought.
I'm sorry, but thats not a significant source of revenue.
I spend maybe $50 a month on alcohol. But lets round that up to $100 for sh and gigs. So thats $1200 a year. 8% sales tax. Thats $96 a year.
So of the $12,096 that I paid the state/counties, $96 was from "vice" tax. Thats not even counting sales tax on other stuff i bought.
I'm sorry, but thats not a significant source of revenue.
jonny88
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When I used to get high, I certainly wouldn't do it before school or work. Those that would choose to do that would probably make the same choice with alcohol.
I'd always save getting stoned for a special occasion, like seeing a movie, having sex, or checking out the SS booth at SDCC.
Am I less motivated when I smoke... sometimes, that's why I did it, to relax. However, I can get just as motivated with a task in front of me, say cleaning the house, or painting, or reading a book.
I guess it just depends on the individual as to how they can and choose to handle the experience.
this will be the biggest problem,is useing it in the right way.and you used that before sex.l did that only once and because if it l had a premature,well you no.lol
Deckard
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Ok sure, close up the bars and watch the cities fail.
ProgMatinee
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again, for me personally, prohibiting something already legal and keeping something illegal is not the same argument. you'll have to work harder to convince me.
I can give the same argument that closing a Walmart or a car manufacturing plant could desimate a city. Whats that prove?
Mesa
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Do you have to pay for welfare recipient's cigarettes? I think smokes and booze are excluded from welfare checks, so I imagine this would be handled similarly.
Deckard
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I'm not saying anything about keeping it illegal, I'm saying when it does, and it will eventually, become legal, after several years (or even sooner) of being able to establish itself, and being introduced to bars or depositories, the states will definately profit from it. Even given the rising homeless situation which I can assure you, has nothing to do with pot use.
ProgMatinee
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Actually.....yes, LOTS of fraud occurs where food stamps, now processed similar to a debit card, are used for booze, cigs, and countless other stuff thats not supposed to be.
Additionally, my tax dollars goes towards taking care of people who booze up or smoke. Very soon the Obamacare means increased taxes to pay for cancer patients, dui'ers, and all other people hurt or sick from "vices".
Its unfathomable to me to see this as a net positive fiscal gain. The increased use that will result when the country "endorses" pot smoking via making it legal will have wide spread reprocussions.
Mesa
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when is the vote coming up to legalize it?
Does that mean all the "medical" marijuana places could sell to anyone, including tourists?
I assume no crossing over state lines...
Where is the closest one to the convention center?
Does that mean all the "medical" marijuana places could sell to anyone, including tourists?
I assume no crossing over state lines...
Where is the closest one to the convention center?
Mesa
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more of a rhetorical question, I know it happens... a lot.
Other day I was in circle K and this group of females were loading up on soda, candy, and chips, and using foodstamps to pay for it. Oh yeah, the shoes that they were wearing probably cost more than my $40 sneakers. Wutrugonnado?
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We're humans. We're going to have vices. If you dont, you're not human.
ProgMatinee
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no newsletter yet? is ssc smoking up or what!
ProgMatinee
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the funny thing to me is that people want to legalize their vices so they dont seem so bad or so they have more company in their guilt.
Deckard
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Not me, I'm just sick of people running out, and always around the holidays. 
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