Legendary Pictures' GODZILLA - !!SPOILERS!!

[crows]

What about videogames? Half of Nintendo's IPs are based off animes and or have given birth to anime shows on their own, and nintendo is pretty pop-culture.

DBZ, Pokemon, Digimon, Yugioh, Evengelion, Attack on Titan, etc etc. all pretty relevant today, if you have facebook and like any "pop-culture" pages, you should realize how much attention anime posts get, and how many a day they post, hell, half of the posts are anime memes.

If there aren't movies in production is cause Anime is a lot harder to digest in it's plot and characters than your average comicbook characters with really straight forward motivations and personalities.

video games are their own thing.

and, the last movie they tried to do was dragon ball and look at how that turned out

I'm not saying that anime is not good or is not important or anything like that. I don't mean to say anime is dumb or has no fans. Of course it does.

The same way metal music has thousands of fans, but it is not pop culture, it is not part of the mainstream, I Love metal but most people don't really do. That's just the way it goes.
Metal sells but it never sells the way pop does. metal bands barely ever make it on the top ten billboard charts

same goes for Anime, it might be big in the cons and with comic fans but it is not really mainstream..... And perhaps it is a good thing that both Metal and anime are not mainstream.

 

[ironwez20]

video games are their own thing.

and, the last movie they tried to do was dragon ball and look at how that turned out

I'm not saying that anime is not good or is not important or anything like that. I don't mean to say anime is dumb or has no fans. Of course it does.

The same way metal music has thousands of fans, but it is not pop culture, it is not part of the mainstream, I Love metal but most people don't really do.

same goes for Anime, it might be big in the cons and with comic fans but it is not really mainstream

Buts its not just here. ita all around the world from europe to asia. Anime is more like an art form and I know some people would disagree with me sinc........ wait isnt this the godzilla thread? lol

 

[Rotfish]

if anime is part of american pop culture then tell me how many hollywood movies are being made of anime properties? ...

zero, that's how many if anime really was that big you would see it in stores or in places like Toys R us or Hot Topic. there might be a couple of shirts here and there but nothing major.

outside of Cons there is not a lot of anime merchandise. It is not like you can go to walmart or Target and pick up a lot of stuff. it is just not there

American pop culture isn't just defined by what makes it into Hollywood movies. Family Guy and The Simpsons are part of our pop culture and, while movies have been produced from those properties, they earned their fame on television and that's what people most associate them with. Can you buy a lot of that merchandise in stores? No. Yet it still counts. Internet memes have also become part of pop culture. Nirvana has become part of pop culture. That crappy Kim and Kanye West music video are part of pop culture. Add to that a million other things from a variety of different media and you can bet anime counts too.
The conventions that have been named so far don't even scratch the surface and there are tens of thousands of Americans (not Asian-Americans, mind you) into that stuff. I should know; I live on the West Coast -- and Oregon and Washington are home to a massive portion of those fans.

It doesn't have to be marketed everywhere all the time. Target has some films. Best Buy has films and series. Comic book stores have merchandise. Another thing to note is that a lot of the anime hobby deals with watching more than anything else, which can't be measured by how much product is available physically. Most people either order the series online or stream them over the web. There's also the manga community who can get their stuff from stores as mainstream as Barnes and Noble. So tell us again how it's not a part of pop culture because there is no way you could've gone through this year without hearing something about Attack on Titan or the upcoming Sailor Moon reboot. And yes, from white Americans.

A side note: The Walking Dead is undeniably a part of American pop culture by now. Yet places like Wal-Mart or Target merely only sell the seasons on DVD/BD. Figures, shirts, etc. are reserved for specialty stores just like *gasp* anime.

Side-side note: Pop culture doesn't have to be financially successful either. Look at The Room. It's been called "the Citizen Kane of bad movies" and is infamous for that comparison.

What I'm getting at with all of these points is that your basis for judging what is and isn't pop culture is hugely flawed. Just saying.

 

[GasparZizou]

If you mean to say that anime is not in the same surface of the "mainstream" as comicbooks and it's derivatives, then you may be correct (in the US at least), but anime/manga is just one little step below that mainstream surface but it does very much constitute part of today's "pop culture".

 

[crows]

well of course I am talking about the US lol.

 

[MaulFan]

CLIPS!!!!

Watch at your own spoilery risk.

 

[ironwez20]

well of course I am talking about the US lol.

That's what we are saying. Anime is as popular in the us as anything else. It's just not in your face like most things are. Hell some of the biggest fanbases in the world come from anime. Sonic has a huge fanbase which is heavily anime based.

 

[jye4ever]

Spoiler

So MUTO is a Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Organism that turns into a MUFO, Massive Unidentified Flying Organism. lol

So the military had watanabe create a new monster to fight Godzilla.

Godzilla should've did his roar right after he stood up instead of growl.

I love that General's voice. lol

The acting looks amazing in these clips, especially from Cranston, Watanabe-san and that General.

Still need to see more of ATJ to decide.

 

[MaulFan]

Still need to see more of ATJ to decide.

I feel like so far, it's a matter of the dialogue he's been given, Cranston and Watanabe have had theses great speech level lines while ATJ has had more common dialogue.

 

[jye4ever]

True

Watanabe, Cranston, General are discussing evolution, end of world scenarios and deceased wife while ATJ is talking about missle parts.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

In all seriousness, this new Godzilla does look solid and not saggy or anything he looks very bulky and armored. However, as I said, the tiny head just seemingly growing out of his neck (without the traditional back of the head) on top of the huge body and stumpy feet make him look fat.

Everybody says hes got to be fat because slim must mean he's got to look like '98. Godzilla '64 and '04 were slim and had great suits (though many fans hated '04's face). They conveyed power but also maneuverability. The new guy could look a bit more balanced.

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[jye4ever]

This Godzilla looks 100% perfect, and by the looks of it he will even emote perfectly.

Now give us a great movie and call it a win.

I love not being a Godzilla purist.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Eh..perfect is a very flexible term in this case lolol

But then again im somebody that really only thinks a few of the Godzilla suits are actually great. '54, '64, '68 (for the good guy look), '89/91, Burning. The rest arent near perfect to me either. I really like '62 but it looks silly and too brutish in some angles. Gmk had a great head, spines, and feet but the rest was feet or looked weird. The 70's looked silly. '84 wasnt my cup of tea (hated the spines). The millennium suits are highly overrated imo. So, im very picky lol.

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[Solidus]

That's what we are saying. Anime is as popular in the us as anything else. It's just not in your face like most things are. Hell some of the biggest fanbases in the world come from anime. Sonic has a huge fanbase which is heavily anime based.

No, it isn't, and I can give you a few examples of how anime really isn't popular anymore. Toonami on Cartoon Network is practically an afterthought. It's the only anime-lineup on cable TV, but it only airs after midnight on Saturday, when most people are already asleep.

In addition, the closure of Bandai USA didn't make any news, whatsoever. You had to be subscribed to Anime news sites, or anime-based forums to read discussions on it. Also, in retrospect, no one on SSF even knew (or cared) about Bandai's closure in the Anime thread. I posted about it once, and everyone practically ignored it .

I've watched anime for a very long time. Gundam (every series ever created), Evangelion, DBZ, Fist of the North Star, Guyver, Inuyasha, Ghost in the Shell (SAC and 2nd GIG), Cowboy Bebop, you name it. But, I have to say, that Crows is absolutely right when he mentioned that anime is reserved for a niche culture. It's not as mainstream as it was back in the early 2000's, when Gundam Wing and DBZ sparked a craze for all-things Japanese. I remember when video stores like Suncoast and FYE had entire walls dedicated to Japanese animation. But, now days, you'd be hard-pressed to even see a small display stand with anime DVDs or Blu-Rays.

If you mean to say that anime is not in the same surface of the "mainstream" as comicbooks and it's derivatives, then you may be correct (in the US at least), but anime/manga is just one little step below that mainstream surface but it does very much constitute part of today's "pop culture".

Mangas are not popular - I can tell you that. At all of the major comic book stores in NYC like Midtown Comics and Jim Hanley's Universe have their mangas stuffed away in miscellaneous corners of the stores on small book-shelves. They're always discounted for 10 to 15 percent off, but no one ever buys them. It's a shame, because many of the books are so old and discolored from oxidation.

People who are seriously interested in manga, would have to visit the Japanese book stores like Kinokuniya and Book Off, where they have entire floors dedicated to manga, anime, and Japanese movies.

 

[krec9]

No, it isn't, and I can give you a few examples of how anime really isn't popular anymore. Toonami on Cartoon Network is practically an afterthought. It's the only anime-lineup on cable TV, but it only airs after midnight on Saturday, when most people are already asleep.

In addition, the closure of Bandai USA didn't make any news, whatsoever. You had to be subscribed to Anime news sites, or anime-based forums to read discussions on it. Also, in retrospect, no one on SSF even knew (or cared) about Bandai's closure in the Anime thread. I posted about it once, and everyone practically ignored it .

I've watched anime for a very long time. Gundam (every series ever created), Evangelion, DBZ, Fist of the North Star, Guyver, Inuyasha, Ghost in the Shell (SAC and 2nd GIG), Cowboy Bebop, you name it. But, I have to say, that Crows is absolutely right when he mentioned that anime is reserved for a niche culture. It's not as mainstream as it was back in the early 2000's, when Gundam Wing and DBZ sparked a craze for all-things Japanese. I remember when video stores like Suncoast and FYE had entire walls dedicated to Japanese animation. But, now days, you'd be hard-pressed to even see a small display stand with anime DVDs or Blu-Rays.



Mangas are not popular - I can tell you that. At all of the major comic book stores in NYC like Midtown Comics and Jim Hanley's Universe have their mangas stuffed away in miscellaneous corners of the stores on small book-shelves. They're always discounted for 10 to 15 percent off, but no one ever buys them. It's a shame, because many of the books are so old and discolored from oxidation.

People who are seriously interested in manga, would have to visit the Japanese book stores like Kinokuniya and Book Off, where they have entire floors dedicated to manga, anime, and Japanese movies.

Very well said

 

[MaulFan]

Eh..perfect is a very flexible term in this case lolol

But then again im somebody that really only thinks a few of the Godzilla suits are actually great. '54, '64, '68 (for the good guy look), '89/91, Burning. The rest arent near perfect to me either. I really like '62 but it looks silly and too brutish in some angles. Gmk had a great head, spines, and feet but the rest was feet or looked weird. The 70's looked silly. '84 wasnt my cup of tea (hated the spines). The millennium suits are highly overrated imo. So, im very picky lol.

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I'm picky about Godzilla suits myself, I just happen to really like the qualities of this Godzilla, it depicts his character how I feel he should be depicted.

And wow, our best look at him yet comes form a commercial.

 

[Biojex]

I'm picky about Godzilla suits myself, I just happen to really like the qualities of this Godzilla, it depicts his character how I feel he should be depicted.

And wow, our best look at him yet comes form a commercial.

He looks so badass! But that commercial...wtf

 

[RIDDICK]

Way to ruin a terrifying god-like creature before the movie even released!
They really want to remind people about Emmerich's pukefest... Money craving ass****s be damned!

 

[GasparZizou]

No, it isn't, and I can give you a few examples of how anime really isn't popular anymore. Toonami on Cartoon Network is practically an afterthought. It's the only anime-lineup on cable TV, but it only airs after midnight on Saturday, when most people are already asleep.

I've watched anime for a very long time. Gundam (every series ever created), Evangelion, DBZ, Fist of the North Star, Guyver, Inuyasha, Ghost in the Shell (SAC and 2nd GIG), Cowboy Bebop, you name it. But, I have to say, that Crows is absolutely right when he mentioned that anime is reserved for a niche culture. It's not as mainstream as it was back in the early 2000's, when Gundam Wing and DBZ sparked a craze for all-things Japanese. I remember when video stores like Suncoast and FYE had entire walls dedicated to Japanese animation. But, now days, you'd be hard-pressed to even see a small display stand with anime DVDs or Blu-Rays.

No one watches TV in search anime anymore, people either buy it online or stream it, all those are old animes, veeery old animes(relatively speaking), everybody watches things like Naruto, Attack on titan, Kill-a-kill, and a ton more I don't even know the names, have you visited 4chan? There's one tiny small subsection for comics&cartoons and there's an entire section for Japanese culture and half another section for hentai alone Not to mention most pop culture facebook pages I have on my fb dedicate most of their posts to Japanese generated media.

Mangas are not popular - I can tell you that. At all of the major comic book stores in NYC like Midtown Comics and Jim Hanley's Universe have their mangas stuffed away in miscellaneous corners of the stores on small book-shelves. They're always discounted for 10 to 15 percent off, but no one ever buys them. It's a shame, because many of the books are so old and discolored from oxidation.

People who are seriously interested in manga, would have to visit the Japanese book stores like Kinokuniya and Book Off, where they have entire floors dedicated to manga, anime, and Japanese movies.

People stream everything these days including manga.

Maybe Manga is a bit more underground, but anime is just as strong as usual, people just don't go to the TV for it anymore.

But again, we never said it was JUST as popular as comicbook related media, I personally said it was a step below, we said Japanese culture is still relevant.

Cause regarding Japanese culture not being relevant anymore, that's very clearly not true.

 

[Solidus]

No one watches TV in search anime anymore, people either buy it online or stream it, all those are old animes, veeery old animes(relatively speaking), everybody watches things like Naruto, Attack on titan, Kill-a-kill, and a ton more I don't even know the names, have you visited 4chan? There's one tiny small subsection for comics&cartoons and there's an entire section for Japanese culture and half another section for hentai alone Not to mention most pop culture facebook pages I have on my fb dedicate most of their posts to Japanese generated media.



People stream everything these days including manga.

Maybe Manga is a bit more underground, but anime is just as strong as usual, people just don't go to the TV for it anymore.

But again, we never said it was JUST as popular as comicbook related media, I personally said it was a step below, we said Japanese culture is still relevant.

Cause regarding Japanese culture not being relevant anymore, that's very clearly not true.

The very fact that anime isn't on television as much anymore, speaks volumes that it's not accepted by mainstream America. What you're describing, is the cultural shift of Anime from being something that was once recognized in pop-culture in the early to mid-2000s, to simply a form of entertainment that has now been displaced as a niche hobby on the Internet.

And 4chan is an awful place, by the way .