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By the way, I haven't been keeping track of Godzilla news for years, but I just read on Wiki that Toho studios had retconed the monster from Godzilla 1998. Instead of being called Godzilla it's now simply "Zilla". Godzilla also killed a version of Zilla in Final Wars.

 
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The very fact that anime isn't on television as much anymore, speaks volumes that it's not accepted by mainstream America. What you're describing, is the cultural shift of Anime from being something that was once recognized in pop-culture in the early to mid-2000s, to simply a form of entertainment that has now been displaced as a niche hobby on the Internet.

And 4chan is an awful place, by the way :lol.

No, what I'm describing is the internet taking over the TV as the platform for your entertainment media, the fact that anime is less watched on TV is no indicative of anime being less popular than it was, it's worth adding that the fact that the TV versions are dubbed and censored discourages the great majority if not the almost entirety of Anime lovers from watching it on TV, not to mention that from the HUGE list of Animes people have been watching for some years now, CN doesn't broadcast not even 1% of it.

The internet is no longer an underground mystical place where things become niche, the internet is just as powerful if not more and provides more exposure than TV.

I would bet that way more anime is watched on the internet than cartoons are watched on TV.

Our whole point was that Japanese culture is still very much relevant.

And yes, 4chan is horrible.
 
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No, it isn't, and I can give you a few examples of how anime really isn't popular anymore. Toonami on Cartoon Network is practically an afterthought. It's the only anime-lineup on cable TV, but it only airs after midnight on Saturday, when most people are already asleep.

In addition, the closure of Bandai USA didn't make any news, whatsoever. You had to be subscribed to Anime news sites, or anime-based forums to read discussions on it. Also, in retrospect, no one on SSF even knew (or cared) about Bandai's closure in the Anime thread. I posted about it once, and everyone practically ignored it :lol.

I've watched anime for a very long time. Gundam (every series ever created), Evangelion, DBZ, Fist of the North Star, Guyver, Inuyasha, Ghost in the Shell (SAC and 2nd GIG), Cowboy Bebop, you name it. But, I have to say, that Crows is absolutely right when he mentioned that anime is reserved for a niche culture. It's not as mainstream as it was back in the early 2000's, when Gundam Wing and DBZ sparked a craze for all-things Japanese. I remember when video stores like Suncoast and FYE had entire walls dedicated to Japanese animation. But, now days, you'd be hard-pressed to even see a small display stand with anime DVDs or Blu-Rays.



Mangas are not popular - I can tell you that. At all of the major comic book stores in NYC like Midtown Comics and Jim Hanley's Universe have their mangas stuffed away in miscellaneous corners of the stores on small book-shelves. They're always discounted for 10 to 15 percent off, but no one ever buys them. It's a shame, because many of the books are so old and discolored from oxidation.

People who are seriously interested in manga, would have to visit the Japanese book stores like Kinokuniya and Book Off, where they have entire floors dedicated to manga, anime, and Japanese movies.


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No, what I'm describing is the internet taking over the TV as the platform for your entertainment media, the fact that anime is less watched on TV is no indicative of anime being less popular than it was, it's worth adding that the fact that the TV versions are dubbed and censored discourages the great majority if not the almost entirety of Anime lovers from watching it on TV, not to mention that from the HUGE list of Animes people have been watching for some years now, CN doesn't broadcast not even 1% of it.

The internet is no longer an underground mystical place where things become niche, the internet is just as powerful if not more and provides more exposure than TV.

I would bet that way more anime is watched on the internet than cartoons are watched on TV.

Our whole point was that Japanese culture is still very much relevant.

And yes, 4chan is horrible.

That's not entirely true :lol. I certainly can see a lot of younger and lower-income people ditching their Cable and heading to the Internet for their entertainment needs. But, that only accounts for 15% of American households*. It's also a moot point that Cable TV is censored when there are premium services like HBO and Showtime that offer uncut programming. The fact is, that Cable is able to reach a wider audience because most households in America have access to it; where on the other hand, streaming sites like Crunchyroll and Viki are only accessed by those who actually know about them (I love Viki for their Korean dramas, by the way).

As of now, most anime is being handled by the fan-sub community in streaming sites - which further substantiates the point about anime being an entirely niche hobby. So, it's not helping the popularity of Japanese Animation in the least, that the Cable networks aren't interested in it.

In addition, there's also the massive problem about piracy online. Admittedly, I downloaded a plethora of anime back in my high-school years that I could have easily bought at retail. A lot of other Internet people do the same (even to this day), and as a result, the animation studios aren't making a dime in profit from illegal downloads. It's largely the reason for why Bandai USA was shut down, and why we wouldn't see any more cool, English dubs of Gundam, or anime action figures for sale in the U.S. So, you can talk about anime being "popular" all you want, but unless the publishers are making profits from their intellectual work, they couldn't care less about how many kids on 4Chan like their shows. If they're making significant losses, they'll pull out their advertisements and remove their merchandising. So, how exactly is that helping Japanese animation to remain a relevant, and flourishing commodity in the states? :dunno

After Bandai's departure, Funimation is practically the only Japanese publisher that's left in the U.S. But, it's probably only a matter of time before they suffer the same fate as Bandai, and pull out of the American market, as well. At least if their animation was being broadcasted on air, they'd be able to recoup some of the losses from piracy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/24/death-of-cable_n_3328844.html*
 
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That's not entirely true :lol. I certainly can see a lot of younger and lower-income people ditching their Cable and heading to the Internet for their entertainment needs. But, that only accounts for 15% of American households*. It's also a moot point that Cable TV is censored when there are premium services like HBO and Showtime that offer uncut programming. The fact is, that Cable is able to reach a wider audience because most households in America have access to it; where on the other hand, streaming sites like Crunchyroll and Viki are only accessed by those who actually know about them (I love Viki for their Korean dramas, by the way).

As of now, most anime is being handled by the fan-sub community in streaming sites - which further substantiates the point about anime being an entirely niche hobby. So, it's not helping the popularity of Japanese Animation in the least, that the Cable networks aren't interested in it.

In addition, there's also the massive problem about piracy online. Admittedly, I downloaded a plethora of anime back in my high-school years that I could have easily bought at retail. A lot of other Internet people do the same (even to this day), and as a result, the animation studios aren't making a dime in profit from illegal downloads. It's largely the reason for why Bandai USA was shut down, and why we wouldn't see any more cool, English dubs of Gundam, or anime action figures for sale in the U.S. So, you can talk about anime being "popular" all you want, but unless the publishers are making profits from their intellectual work, they couldn't care less about how many kids on 4Chan like their shows. If they're making significant losses, they'll pull out their advertisements and remove their merchandising. So, how exactly is that helping Japanese animation to remain a relevant, and flourishing commodity in the states? :dunno

After Bandai's departure, Funimation is practically the only Japanese publisher that's left in the U.S. But, it's probably only a matter of time before they suffer the same fate as Bandai, and pull out of the American market, as well. At least if their animation was being broadcasted on air, they'd be able to recoup some of the losses from piracy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/24/death-of-cable_n_3328844.html*


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That's not entirely true :lol. I certainly can see a lot of younger and lower-income people ditching their Cable and heading to the Internet for their entertainment needs. But, that only accounts for 15% of American households*. It's also a moot point that Cable TV is censored when there are premium services like HBO and Showtime that offer uncut programming. The fact is, that Cable is able to reach a wider audience because most households in America have access to it; where on the other hand, streaming sites like Crunchyroll and Viki are only accessed by those who actually know about them (I love Viki for their Korean dramas, by the way).

It's happening, slowly but it is happening, for instance, ad revenue on internet is higher than TV's, take into consideration that advertising online is WAY cheaper than on TV.

HBO & Showtime hardly air animation, much less anime and CN will never air a subbed uncut anime, which is what people streams.

There are countless other streaming sites (legal and illegal) that stream whatever anime you're looking for, you would be kidding yourself if you think by "streaming" I meant paid streaming only. :lol in fact the "free" streaming sites out number the paid ones by quantities that aren't even funny.

As of now, most anime is being handled by the fan-sub community in streaming sites - which further substantiates the point about anime being an entirely niche hobby. So, it's not helping the popularity of Japanese Animation in the least, that the Cable networks aren't interested in it.
The fact that someone made amateur subtitles to an anime isn't stopping it from reaching an enormous amount of people.
In addition, there's also the massive problem about piracy online. Admittedly, I downloaded a plethora of anime back in my high-school years that I could have easily bought at retail. A lot of other Internet people do the same (even to this day), and as a result, the animation studios aren't making a dime in profit from illegal downloads. It's largely the reason for why Bandai USA was shut down, and why we wouldn't see any more cool, English dubs of Gundam, or anime action figures for sale in the U.S. So, you can talk about anime being "popular" all you want, but unless the publishers are making profits from their intellectual work, they couldn't care less about how many kids on 4Chan like their shows. If they're making significant losses, they'll pull out their advertisements and remove their merchandising. So, how exactly is that helping Japanese animation to remain a relevant, and flourishing commodity in the states? :dunno
No argument there, but it's hardly the point here, nor is the fact that there are no English dubs or action figures sold in the US, that's what I said in the last post, most people who like anime prefer subtitles, as well as buying imported figures.

But also, the exact same thing is happening to DC animation, they are getting big losses because people stream instead of buy their animated movies and series, in fact, people in these very boards were giving reviews for Son of Batman a week before it was officially released :lol but that doesn't mean it's not popular, every DC animated movie is greatly received but I bet DC it's not making the money it should with their animated media.

Like I said, I bet more anime is watched online than cartoons are watched on TV, but I said Japanese culture is still relevant, not only anime, anime by itself is way more popular than cartoons right now.

Japanese culture is obviously not more relevant than the overall popculture,, but it's still there, but anime right now is pretty relevant when it comes to animated media.
 
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but you are a teenager... of course they are :rolleyes2 everyone in high school is always obsessed with it, that doesn't change.
 
By the way, I haven't been keeping track of Godzilla news for years, but I just read on Wiki that Toho studios had retconed the monster from Godzilla 1998. Instead of being called Godzilla it's now simply "Zilla". Godzilla also killed a version of Zilla in Final Wars.



They also had a pretty funny reference in GMK (I think it was) They mentioned how NYC was invaded by a monster that the americans were claiming was Godzilla, but the main character doubted it was actually Godzilla.
 
I understand Anime has a big following. I never deny that. I even like some of it.

But Anime is just not as big as all of you guys are making it out to be. No one here is denying the good quality or anything. But the audience for Anime movies is just not there.

Besides horror movies there is not even much of an audience for japanese movies or remakes of them. For some reason horror has been influenced by their cinema but that's as far as it goes.
 
I'm picky about Godzilla suits myself, I just happen to really like the qualities of this Godzilla, it depicts his character how I feel he should be depicted.

And wow, our best look at him yet comes form a commercial.



this literally happened in 98 Godzilla. WTF Are these people doing???????

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What the HELL?? :lol
 
Way to ruin a terrifying god-like creature before the movie even released!
They really want to remind people about Emmerich's pukefest... Money craving ass****s be damned!

That ad gave me serious Gino flashbacks. Need to rinse the taste out of my mouth with some Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster.
 
how did the godzilla thread turn into a debate about anime? lol super excited for this film, but I have no idea how it brings anime into the conversation
 
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