Liberal parenting leads to brats?

[batfan08]

At the end of the day, I think it's the idea of our society being more "progressive" that is causing it to degrade in a lot of ways. Case in point: violence. I'm not saying to knock your kid's teeth out; that's horrible and abusive, but people have been using corporal punishment to correct their children for thousands of years, and, thus far, it seems to have worked pretty well.

Now, it seems like it's a social taboo just to smack a child on the hind-end if they're being horrible. It's not just parenting, though; I think the whole "non-violence" era we're living in now can be more destructive than not.

Look at all of the shootings and suicides in schools. I'd like to preface this by saying that these are horrible acts of violence that cannot, and should not, be condoned or excused. However, I think that these things are products of escalation in a lot of ways.

My point is that children can be cruel, vindictive little monsters sometimes. Not all of them, mind you, but there are those out there that are. I think we live in a society that leads to a lot of pent-up frustration, and, sometimes, these kids are backed into a corner and the pressure just keeps building and building until, finally, they explode, often leading to collateral damage, as well. I'm not portraying all of these people as victims, mind you, but, rather, some of them as side effects of our "progressive" society.

I genuinely believe that a lot of this stuff is contributing to the degradation of society. How many innocent lives could've been saved, potentially, had some school administration not backed some troubled young person into a corner by not even letting them defend themselves? Granted, not every case is the same, but do you really think these "no tolerance" policies are really contributing anything beneficial? Some of these kids are bullied, and, if they ever stood up for themselves, they could be subject to everything from academic expulsion to legal action taken against them.

I'm sorry to go off in a tangent here, but the moral of the story, I guess, is that, sometimes, the old ways work best.

 

[hoodonit00]

At the end of the day, I think it's the idea of our society being more "progressive" that is causing it to degrade in a lot of ways. Case in point: violence. I'm not saying to knock your kid's teeth out; that's horrible and abusive, but people have been using corporal punishment to correct their children for thousands of years, and, thus far, it seems to have worked pretty well.

Now, it seems like it's a social taboo just to smack a child on the hind-end if they're being horrible. It's not just parenting, though; I think the whole "non-violence" era we're living in now can be more destructive than not.

Look at all of the shootings and suicides in schools. I'd like to preface this by saying that these are horrible acts of violence that cannot, and should not, be condoned or excused. However, I think that these things are products of escalation in a lot of ways.

My point is that children can be cruel, vindictive little monsters sometimes. Not all of them, mind you, but there are those out there that are. I think we love in a society that leads to a lot of pent-up frustration, and, sometimes, these kids are backed into a corner and the pressure just keeps building and building until, finally, they explode, often leading to collateral damage, as well. I'm not portraying all of these people as victims, mind you, but, rather, some of them as side effects of our "progressive" society.

I genuinely believe that a lot of this stuff is contributing to the degradation of society. How many innocent lives could've been saved, potentially, had some school administration not backed some troubled young person into a corner by not even letting them defend themselves? Granted, not every case is the same, but do you really think these "no tolerance" policies are really contributing anything beneficial? Some of these kids are bullied, and, if they ever stood up for themselves, they could be subject to everything from academic expulsion to legal action taken against them.

I'm sorry to go off in a tangent here, but the moral of the story, I guess, is that, sometimes, the old ways work best.

Agree with everything. Outstanding.

 

[BadMoon]

At the end of the day, I think it's the idea of our society being more "progressive" that is causing it to degrade in a lot of ways. Case in point: violence. I'm not saying to knock your kid's teeth out; that's horrible and abusive, but people have been using corporal punishment to correct their children for thousands of years, and, thus far, it seems to have worked pretty well.

Now, it seems like it's a social taboo just to smack a child on the hind-end if they're being horrible. It's not just parenting, though; I think the whole "non-violence" era we're living in now can be more destructive than not.

Look at all of the shootings and suicides in schools. I'd like to preface this by saying that these are horrible acts of violence that cannot, and should not, be condoned or excused. However, I think that these things are products of escalation in a lot of ways.

My point is that children can be cruel, vindictive little monsters sometimes. Not all of them, mind you, but there are those out there that are. I think we live in a society that leads to a lot of pent-up frustration, and, sometimes, these kids are backed into a corner and the pressure just keeps building and building until, finally, they explode, often leading to collateral damage, as well. I'm not portraying all of these people as victims, mind you, but, rather, some of them as side effects of our "progressive" society.

I genuinely believe that a lot of this stuff is contributing to the degradation of society. How many innocent lives could've been saved, potentially, had some school administration not backed some troubled young person into a corner by not even letting them defend themselves? Granted, not every case is the same, but do you really think these "no tolerance" policies are really contributing anything beneficial? Some of these kids are bullied, and, if they ever stood up for themselves, they could be subject to everything from academic expulsion to legal action taken against them.

I'm sorry to go off in a tangent here, but the moral of the story, I guess, is that, sometimes, the old ways work best.

 

[The Ween]

Being someone who works in the school system, you can't really blame the schools. They're hands are tied, not only by the State, but also by lawyers. Parents will sue, or threaten to, at the drop of the hat these days, and it's all about money, or lack there of. One lawsuit could cripple a school.

What upsets me is that the blame is usually passed on to the teachers, by the higher ups, or by the public, when the teachers are only going by policies that they don't set.

 

[meth head]

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I look at this sort of debate through very different eyes now. It's very interesting to me how the media and so called 'experts' shape our perceptions of crime and in this particular case youth.

I have actually just read the article for the first time and I found it abhorrent!!!

''If you have a dinner party, they never sit quietly. They interrupt. They're always in the centre. The problem is that when they become young adults, they take with them the expectation that everything is centred around them, which makes them very disappointed.''

Really?? That doesn't sound like any child I know, and if there are some children like that, they are the minority. However, we read that and all of a sudden our future generation is in decline. It creates a moral panic and labelling, and then we are left with self fulfilling prophecy.

This article is hurtful and ill-informed. It's just one mans ignorant discourse with no qualitative evidence to substantiate his ridiculous claim.

 

[Pork Chop Express]

Parenting is anything but academic.

Patience will get you through to the end.

 

[hoodonit00]

https://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI

I look at this sort of debate through very different eyes now. It's very interesting to me how the media and so called 'experts' shape our perceptions of crime and in this particular case youth.

I have actually just read the article for the first time and I found it abhorrent!!!

''If you have a dinner party, they never sit quietly. They interrupt. They're always in the centre. The problem is that when they become young adults, they take with them the expectation that everything is centred around them, which makes them very disappointed.''

Really?? That doesn't sound like any child I know, and if there are some children like that, they are the minority. However, we read that and all of a sudden our future generation is in decline. It creates a moral panic and labelling, and then we are left with self fulfilling prophecy.

This article is hurtful and ill-informed. It's just one mans ignorant discourse with no qualitative evidence to substantiate his ridiculous claim.

Really? That sounds like a lot of kids I've been around. Not sure what you're basing your experience on. Being the father of 2 girls and 2 step girls, ages 20, 19, 18, and 17 with 2 of them being in color guard and dance and 1 of them being a cheerleader I've been around a lot of kids. From what I have seen first hand kids are definitely not as well behaved or respectful as they once were. They are definitely the me, me , me generation.

 

[meth head]

Really!

To say Sweden is a nation of ill-mannered brats is utterly irresponsible in my opinion.

Youth are massively misrepresented by the media and the like. There is a small section of dysfunctional kids here in the UK, but the media demonise our youth and massively misrepresent them causing moral panics. This is a socially constructed article in my opinion, which is harmful and ill-informed.

My evidence is based on being a student of Criminology.

 

[Lejuan]

https://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI

I have actually just read the article for the first time and I found it abhorrent!!! ...It creates a moral panic and labelling, and then we are left with self fulfilling prophecy.

This article is hurtful and ill-informed. It's just one mans ignorant discourse with no qualitative evidence to substantiate his ridiculous claim.

Really? The article is not written by him but about him. He is, apparently, a 'prominent psychiatrist' who has recently had published his book on this topic, "How the Children Took Power". You call him out on his 'ignorant discourse with no qualitative evidence to substantiate his ridiculous claim' - but have you actually read the book? Do you know for sure that he has not done any qualitative research into his topic? Or are you just basing your assertion on how his work is reported in a news-media context?

 

[hoodonit00]

Really!

To say Sweden is a nation of ill-mannered brats is utterly irresponsible in my opinion.

Youth are massively misrepresented by the media and the like. There is a small section of dysfunctional kids here in the UK, but the media demonise our youth and massively misrepresent them causing moral panics. This is a socially constructed article in my opinion, which is harmful and ill-informed.

My evidence is based on being a student of Criminology.

I mean no disrespect but nothing beats on the job training. You're a student of criminology, which I'm sure is a major feat but you will only learn so much being a student of something. Until you get on the job with real world experience you won't get the big picture. If you are working in your field then we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[DPrime]

After two plus years of being a parent now (two girls), all I know is that there is no one right way to raise kids. Just do the best you can.

As for the whole "entitled" thing, it's all relative. I'm sure our parents' generation felt the same way (and were right to a certain degree).

 

[The Ween]

All kids feel entitled, especially teenagers. Problem is, a lot of kids come from two and three generations of people ON entitlements who think the world owes them everything. They don't want to work for what they get. They want it handed to them.

 

[KingB]

There is a sense of entitlement with kids. This is the age when everything is on demand. My kids would ask for a song, You tube. Ask for a movie/tv show, netflix, ask for a game, ipad. It is the I want it now (and I can get it now) generation thats for sure. Cell phones are doing us no favors either. I have stopped catering to my kids demands for the most part. Want cartoons, watch what's on tv NOW, electronic devices are also used less frequently in my house. These are distractions that I see becoming a problem for my kids. I am hoping that it will help them to become more respectful and realize life doesn't always give them what they want when THEY want it. Coping skills. Kids need these skills and they need to be disappointed occasionally. The second best word(s) I learned with my kids next to I Love You is NO.....

 

[Deckard]

Honestly I feel the best thing as a culture would probably be for cellphones and the internet to be wiped out. I get the irony that I'm on the internet and quite love it but it is really ruining society now that everyone has access to it anywhere. I'd rather go back to dial up days when people had no idea what the internet was and porn was 8-bit.

 

[Lejuan]

Two generations ago similar things were being said about comic books

 

[Deckard]

And Rock and Roll sure sure. But this is actually differant.

Comic books didn't topple regimes in the middle east. Rock and Roll didn't let you send a picture of your genitals to everyone you know with the literal press of a single button. Instant gratification for entire generations is way more dangerous than a sound some people maybe into.

My ultimate preferance would be to limit cell phones to 18+. It's easy just make it so you have to have your own contract and can't be on a parents. It won't happen though because it'd cost those corporations billions in dumb **** like texting into tv for ringtones.

 

[KingB]

Honestly I feel the best thing as a culture would probably be for cellphones and the internet to be wiped out. I get the irony that I'm on the internet and quite love it but it is really ruining society now that everyone has access to it anywhere. I'd rather go back to dial up days when people had no idea what the internet was and porn was 8-bit.

Yeah D man, you could prob live without it right? There is plenty of good that comes from the internet but man is it a dark and scary place too. I feel I could live happily with out it.

 

[Deckard]

Well I did for 15 years and alot of others did for alot longer.

The thing is, the internet was fine for a while, I feel like it's just all become a real problem the past few years and will continue as more generations grow up on it as much as they are. They're are more people than ever sacrificing real life experiance for stuff online and it is not the same and does not translate to being able to cope or deal with people and real life events. These kids are exposed at a young age to all the violence and porn you can handle, sometimes on the same websites. That desensitization is exactly why "Knockout" exists.

Internet is new lawless territory. ****, it was only this past week that Bing and Google finally did something about preventing child porn searches.

 

[KingB]

Well I did for 15 years and alot of others did for alot longer.

The thing is, the internet was fine for a while, I feel like it's just all become a real problem the past few years and will continue as more generations grow up on it as much as they are. They're are more people than ever sacrificing real life experiance for stuff online and it is not the same and does not translate to being able to cope or deal with people and real life events. These kids are exposed at a young age to all the violence and porn you can handle, sometimes on the same websites.

Well put. Too many kids are getting lost in tech. I remember the simple internet days too. Like you I did without it for so long I have my foundation already.

 

[Deckard]

And that's exactly what you need. A foundation. Responsibility before you jump onto the internet is important. And you aren't going to learn that buried in a phone from the time your brain finally starts to develop. Our foundations make us disgusted by Knockout while a 12 year old sees it and thinks it's "awesome!"