Liberal parenting leads to brats?

[KingB]

And that's exactly what you need. A foundation. Responsibility before you jump onto the internet is important. And you aren't going to learn that buried in a phone from the time your brain finally starts to develop. Our foundations make us disgusted by Knockout while a 12 year old sees it and thinks it's "awesome!"

Yup. Also, just started the first season of Deadwood. Watching it now. Good stuff.

 

[Deckard]

 

[Lejuan]

Honestly I feel the best thing as a culture would probably be for cellphones and the internet to be wiped out. I get the irony that I'm on the internet and quite love it but it is really ruining society now that everyone has access to it anywhere. I'd rather go back to dial up days when people had no idea what the internet was and porn was 8-bit.

And Rock and Roll sure sure. But this is actually differant.

Comic books didn't topple regimes in the middle east. Rock and Roll didn't let you send a picture of your genitals to everyone you know with the literal press of a single button. Instant gratification for entire generations is way more dangerous than a sound some people maybe into.

My ultimate preferance would be to limit cell phones to 18+. It's easy just make it so you have to have your own contract and can't be on a parents. It won't happen though because it'd cost those corporations billions in dumb **** like texting into tv for ringtones.

Which is it? Wipe out the internet, ban kids from using phones, or promote responsible parenting so that kids learn how to use technology responsibly?

My kids maintain a face-to-face relationship with their distant grandparents thanks to this technology. The 'instant gratification' factor is actually a plus when it comes to acquiring and analysing information to incorporate into their school projects. The realisation of how much work goes into my kids' favourite tv shows is made clear when we actually try to direct and edit our own movies using... a phone.

The kids also benefit from the extra time their parents have to spend with them because we manage many things online that we once had to travel for.

The concept of 'instant gratification' permeates all aspects of parenting - from not delaying purchase of a toy until a bedroom is clean, to allowing a 'near enough is good enough' attitude towards homework. Try baking a cake with your kids made from raw ingredients instead of buying it ready made or as a packet-mix, for example.

To load all the social ills of the world onto this particular technology overlooks how much effective parenting needs to be done before a kid even knows what a phone is.

 

[KingB]

Which is it? Wipe out the internet, ban kids from using phones, or promote responsible parenting so that kids learn how to use technology responsibly?

My kids maintain a face-to-face relationship with their distant grandparents thanks to this technology. The 'instant gratification' factor is actually a plus when it comes to acquiring and analysing information to incorporate into their school projects. The realisation of how much work goes into my kids' favourite tv shows is made clear when we actually try to direct and edit our own movies using... a phone.

The kids also benefit from the extra time their parents have to spend with them because we manage many things online that we once had to travel for.

The concept of 'instant gratification' permeates all aspects of parenting - from not delaying purchase of a toy until a bedroom is clean, to allowing a 'near enough is good enough' attitude towards homework. Bake a cake with your kids made from raw ingredients instead of buying it ready made or as a packet-mix for example.

To load all the social ills of the world onto this particular technology overlooks how much effective parenting needs to be done before a kid even knows what a phone is.

Very True... The key is moderation with anything. Too much is bad, too little the same.

 

[Deckard]

Which is it? Wipe out the internet, ban kids from using phones, or promote responsible parenting so that kids learn how to use technology responsibly?

My kids maintain a face-to-face relationship with their distant grandparents thanks to this technology. The 'instant gratification' factor is actually a plus when it comes to acquiring and analysing information to incorporate into their school projects. The realisation of how much work goes into my kids' favourite tv shows is made clear when we actually try to direct and edit our own movies using... a phone.

The kids also benefit from the extra time their parents have to spend with them because we manage many things online that we once had to travel for.

The concept of 'instant gratification' permeates all aspects of parenting - from not delaying purchase of a toy until a bedroom is clean, to allowing a 'near enough is good enough' attitude towards homework. Try baking a cake with your kids made from raw ingredients instead of buying it ready made or as a packet-mix, for example.

To load all the social ills of the world onto this particular technology overlooks how much effective parenting needs to be done before a kid even knows what a phone is.

Well as I said, one would be my preferance, the other would probably be for the best overall. It sounds like your kids are still very young. I am talking about giving your kid his own cell phone with internet access and sending him to school and not spending time with him all the time which is what I would say most familes devolve into as the kid reaches middle and highschool. The divorce rate is 50 percent and than you factor in kids who lost a parent to illness,death,war etc, and you have more than half our kids not being properly parented like yours are. I absolutely appreicate what you're doing right now trying to prepare your kids but you are in the minority and you'll have to see how it all sticks when they're given actual independance to see the world around them and all those others who weren't brought up right's influences. Even with proper parenting when we were younger, the second someones parents were gone we'd have their 56k modem waiting to load up naked women. And if they are older, than hats off to you because I knew no one in highschool who sit long enough to make a movie with their parents.

 

[KingB]

Computers are ok in moderation. I still believe that things would be nicer without a lot of tech.

 

[Lejuan]

I hear what you're saying I think... that the technology tends to exacerbate the already difficult job of parenting? I just don't think it's as dire as that. I last taught 'disadvantaged' high school kids in 1999, which was a few years before phones and the internet became ubiquitous. A huge number of those kids were little s **ts, and if ever you saw their parents - those who had any - it was easy to see why.

 

[KingB]

The ROOT of the problem almost always leads to one place....... I think you can guess what that is

Spoiler

Mom and Dad or lack thereof

 

[Deckard]

Pretty much yea, not just that the tech can complicate but undermine and undo parenting. I'm sure not every single kid that's ever been arrested or played Knockout has terrible parents. Some are a product of peer pressure or just simply not agreeing with their parents points of views on certain things or simply making a bad call. It's also hard to be able to associate with your kid being cyber bullied or something similar because that is differant than what you or I had ever experianced. Certainly you had a drink before you were 21 at a party some day? The temptations now however are alot differant and far easier to access. Even the very best parent can only spend so much time with their kid, 3 hours of parenting vs 12 hours of free access to the entire internet is basic math.

 

[KingB]

Pretty much yea, not just that the tech can complicate but undermine and undo parenting. I'm sure not every single kid that's ever been arrested or played Knockout has terrible parents. Some are a product of peer pressure or just simply not agreeing with their parents points of views on certain things or simply making a bad call. It's also hard to be able to associate with your kid being cyber bullied or something similar because that is differant than what you or I had ever experianced. Certainly you had a drink before you were 21 at a party some day? The temptations now however are alot differant and far easier to access. Even the very best parent can only spend so much time with their kid, 3 hours of parenting vs 12 hours of free access to the entire internet is basic math.

I am saying that if you're consistent as a parent and you drive home core values and beliefs to your children you have a far better chance of having well behaved and responsible kiddos. It doesn't mean there arent exceptions to the rules, but I believe the odds are universally in your favor your children will do right by you.

 

[DPrime]

Sheesh, get rid of the Internet?

Don't worry so much. The next generation will be just fine. Different in some ways, but humankind will survive. Just do the best with your own kids (i.e. BE THERE) and stop talking crazy.

 

[KingB]

Sheesh, get rid of the Internet?

Don't worry so much. The next generation will be just fine. Different in some ways, but humankind will survive. Just do the best with your own kids (i.e. BE THERE) and stop talking crazy.

I wasn't talking crazy. I simply said that I would not mind if the tech wasn't around. I enjoyed the simplicity of things around us.

 

[KitFisto]

I wasn't talking crazy. I simply said that I would not mind if the tech wasn't around. I enjoyed the simplicity of things around us.

I'm in the same place. I like tech and use it. My job is in the IT tech field........but if all high tech went away tomorrow I'd be happy to find a plot of land, build a log house and farm. Sure, I'd miss some things a lot, but in the end a more simple style of life has it's attractiveness over the rat race we live in today.

 

[meth head]

Really? The article is not written by him but about him. He is, apparently, a 'prominent psychiatrist' who has recently had published his book on this topic, "How the Children Took Power". You call him out on his 'ignorant discourse with no qualitative evidence to substantiate his ridiculous claim' - but have you actually read the book? Do you know for sure that he has not done any qualitative research into his topic? Or are you just basing your assertion on how his work is reported in a news-media context?

Yes, really!

Admittedly I have not read the book but the lack of statistics in the article do not fill me with a great deal of confidence.

Here is a statement he made;

"Their expectations are too high and life is too hard for them. We see it with anxiety disorders and self harming, which has risen dramatically," he said.

Is that really down to parenting? I would argue that is down to capitalism and the media.

Here is a quote taken from another thread I believe you made?

This generation is crap blah blah.

Bollocks. The youth of today are doing fine. But thanks to the internet and a willing media, every bit of bad news gets instant dissemination.

Whenever I drive past my local skate park, or walk along the beach, or take my kids to a playground, what do I see... wall to wall kids having fun.

One Indian chick in a billion tops herself for likely a whole raft of reasons, her facebook ban being the tipping point, and somehow this is a reflection of the evils of social media, gaming etc.

I completely agree with that! Kind of sums up my earlier points does it not? Media and these so called 'experts' like Eberhand demonise youth wrongfully. I did a search on Eberhand and his theories, and guess what? Not a single statistic found in any article related to this book of his. It's pure conjecture and I stand by my earlier comments.

 

[devilof76]

Only problem with being young is that by and large, adults don't have a clue. Q.E.D.

 

[The Josh]

I won't blame technology. Why? That lets parents off the hook for not doing their job. If parents would spank their kids behind when they act like a fool growing up, teach them respect/responsibility, and if we would bring back the paddle in schools that would all help. All of those were in effect when I was a kid and all of them happened or almost happened. It helped shape who I am today. The blame again IMO isn't on technology or other nonsense its on the weak *** parents around today.

 

[Lejuan]

Here is a quote taken from another thread I believe you made?

I stand by that comment, but that's not to say that I'm dismissive of Eberhard's observations as reported in the article. The concept of 'liberal parenting' extends beyond how technology is managed. In particular I was interested in how Sweden's smacking ban is framed in the article as an exemplifier of this style of parenting.

 

[CelticPredator]

Don't take away technology, because I hate the woods.

 

[meth head]

I stand by that comment, but that's not to say that I'm dismissive of Eberhard's observations as reported in the article. The concept of 'liberal parenting' extends beyond how technology is managed. In particular I was interested in how Sweden's smacking ban is framed in the article as an exemplifier of this style of parenting.

I hear what you're saying. I think it is all too easy to victimise youth as they don't really have a voice. Ironic really considering he is saying they have too much of a voice

 

[hoodonit00]

I won't blame technology. Why? That lets parents off the hook for not doing their job. If parents would spank their kids behind when they act like a fool growing up, teach them respect/responsibility, and if we would bring back the paddle in schools that would all help. All of those were in effect when I was a kid and all of them happened or almost happened. It helped shape who I am today. The blame again IMO isn't on technology or other nonsense its on the weak *** parents around today.