Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[batfan08]

It was a rollercoaster of emotions, i never felt that with the drama driven batman nolan trilogy and the peak of the MCU, being rated R, it set the bar so high, its gritty, it paid so much attention to detail like every time he drew his claws he bled, you felt every shot and the finale it was like mother of ^[*]%{, this is a wolverine I only saw in Capcom games, plus the veracity and rawness was so huge that i can tell you the lady next to me was horrified at every time logan slashed someone, watching the crowd react like was something you will never capture in an MCU or DCU flick.


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When X-24 cut that dude's head off, I let out an audible 'holy ****ing ****.' Thankfully, the crowd gasped loudly enough to mask it a bit and keep it from being awkward. That's what was so vicious about this film; it gave you no chance to breathe. You see Xavier die as you can't even grieve because, the second after you see his final words to Logan, it just cuts to X-24 going berserk and you're still trying to process what just happened.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I have a few questions for those of you who saw the film.

Are there any surprises?

Or does the trailer more or less give you the whole story?

 

[pturtle]

Did someone kick the back of your seat repeatedly??? 7/10???

Dude, this movie is phenomenal.

I was pretty excited for this movie, I expected a much better movie, especially reading reviews that this transcends comic book movies. This doesn't come close to being as good as X2, DOFP, or FC.

So many things felt forced, villains weren't interesting at all, action actually wasn't as good as I hoped it'd be and I found Wolverine and Professor's X ending to be pretty sloppy and wrapped up quick.

 

[SNIKT1950]

CBM-wise, here's where I'm at:

1. The Dark Knight (2008)
2. Logan (2017)
3. X2: X-Men United (2003)
4. The Avengers (2012)
5. X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)
6. X-Men: First Class (2011)
7. The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
8. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
9. Batman Begins (2005)
10. Iron Man (2008)

 

[pturtle]

I have a few questions for those of you who saw the film.

Are there any surprises?

Or does the trailer more or less give you the whole story?

Yea, there's one big surprise.

Also there was a pre-credits scene that I found more entertaining than the movie

 

[Ropen]

Everytime i watched the trailer i got depressed because of its theme, then you realize the trailer is only the first half of the movie thus giving zero plot of the movie whatsoever, thats how you do a trailer, i just watched the new pirates of the Caribbean one and was like this sucks now, they literally revealed the back story to salazar now. Honestly they are huge surprises but no plot of the story is ever given.


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Kewl. Can't wait to see it

 

[SNIKT1950]

When Xavier encounters

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X-24

, I realized Mangold was finally going to tackle something no other filmmaker had done for Wolvie: to literally explore the concept that Wolverine's greatest adversary is

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himself. That all his life he fought the beast within at great cost and in the end actually got to [nightmarishly] fight said beast.

For a minute I thought I was watching a dream sequence but applauded Mangold for actually doing it.

There's so much in this movie that breaks the mold. So many moments that attack the status quo in this fatigued genre.

Logan, like Deadpool & Legion gives me hope that FOX understands at this point that they're the only ones willing to make these types of creative leaps and must continue to in years to come to offer an intelligent alternative to Disney's safe, generic formula.

 

[Ropen]

When Xavier encounters

Spoiler

X-24

, I realized Mangold was finally going to tackle something no other filmmaker had done for Wolvie: to literally explore the concept that Wolverine's greatest adversary is

Spoiler

himself. That all his life he fought the beast within at great cost and in the end actually got to [nightmarishly] fight said beast.

For a minute I thought I was watching a dream sequence but applauded Mangold for actually doing it.

There's so much in this movie that breaks the mold. So many moments that attack the status quo in this fatigued genre.

Logan, like Deadpool & Legion gives me hope that FOX understands at this point that they're the only ones willing to make these types of creative leaps and must continue to in years to come to offer an intelligent alternative to Disney's safe, generic formula.

Hearing those claws cling at that surprise was majestic. I did enjoy seeing that play out.

But I hate disney, other than providing excellent content, they are anti the public domain and sadly from now on SW and their MCU will never ever evolve other than what disney wants as much as the studios have control. Crazy to say I look forward to the next rated R Xmen flick


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[ironwez20]

Rated r xmen flicks from here on out? Hell to the ****ing yea!

 

[Victοr]

I saw it last night. 6/10

As a proud Disney Whore, I can't possibly give the flick a better grade, otherwise Feige will come into my home and butt**** me with his Shrek-sized ****. MCU, MCU, MCU! Woo-ooo-oooh.

Kidding aside, it's easily a 9/10. My experience was ruined because of the ****ing ***** sitting behind me. A whole theater filled with people, and the only fat **** who has coughing and caughing the whole time sat right behind me. Apart from that, I thoroughly enjoyed it. The violence was raw but not "B-Movie Gorefest" level. And that's damn important. If you had intestines flying off it would've become ridiculous. As it stands, it was brutal, but not over the top.

The tone was appropriate. Not dark, just somber, and with a fair amount of humor thrown in. The F-Bombs did get a tad ridiculous at some point, as no other profanities were sprinkled in, but I don't have any problem with the pacing or whatever. It was a pretty perfect adaptation of Old Man "No Marvel Characters Allowed" Logan crossed with X-23: Innocence Lost. It wasn't really a Wolverine or X-Men flick, just a character exloration in a sci-fi setting.

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Some "gripes"/comments:

*X-24 was a bit of a let down. They could've brought back Sabretooth, and had him be all animalistic, more like his classic look. Or they could've brought Creed back as a quasi-ally. He was the only good part of Origins, so it would've been a way for him to also go out on a high note. It might have muddled the story a bit, but if they just swapped him for X-24, it would've been better IMO. Instead of having Logan fight himself, you'd have him tangle a true "reflection" of him at his worst. And also get a classic Comic-Book fight.

*Since they kept X-24, it was their chance to finally give us a costumed Wolvie. That was a truly missed opportunity. Since he was an assassin/agent/whatever, they could've easily given him the Ultimate outfit. And since he was an "animal", they could've given him the classic crazy Wolvie hairdo.

*I didn't get to see the Deadpool prologue...

*No other gripes, really. It wasn't a super-hero flick, so it's not like I can complain about say, Batman not fighting Owlman in a Court of Owls storyline or whatever.

Dunno why everyone's bringin up the MCU though. Logan was a character-driven drama with little to no resemblance to anything Comic-Book related, past some fairly tame sci-fi elements. One's a story-book based on the most well-known stories of these characters primed for 13 Year Olds, and the other is an R-Rated drama. I get the hate boner some have, but it's gotten ridiculous. Folks are comparing apples to oranges. None of the MCU characters have the violence of Logan. Sure, Iron Man & Captain America could've done with some more heavy themes, but it's just not the same. If anything, Logan gives the middle finger to WB and shows them how to make truly great R-Rated flicks. It's the DCEU that should be embarassed, not the MCU. Because of the two, only one is trying to do what Fox is doing, and is failing misserably...

One thing is for sure: Fox is sterring the X-Ship in the right direction. I never wanted the X-Men back in the Marvel U, because the two franchises never mixed well (I've been saying that Marvel should've sepearated the comic lines for a while now, ala Vertigo and Prime Earth DC), so I'm happy they've found the footing. Now if the could return the F4 to the MCU, because they've got the right amount of cheese to work... I'm curious about that X-Show now as well...

 

[Mr Walker]

Dunno why everyone's bringin up the MCU though.

Apparently you can't like both....

 

[ironwez20]

Xmen separate from marvel? That doesn't feel right to me. Hulk vs wolverine. Spider-Man interacting with kitty pryde. Cap and wolverine fighting side by side .

Just feels right. I mean call me whatever but I love xmen and they'll always be apart of marvel. Not fox. Yea they aren't in the same movie universe but I don't care that's irrelevant. Xmen will always be marvel and the lore will always be loved. Fox can make fantastic and outstanding movies but xmen will always be marvel in my eyes and forever.

 

[noface]

Guys check this out. From Mars Studios
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRKUz7DjKpx/
NVM just a 3d illustration. Sux. I knew it was an illustration, but thought it was a toy company that made this. Just a CG studio

 

[SNIKT1950]

Dunno why everyone's bringin up the MCU though. Logan was a character-driven drama with little to no resemblance to anything Comic-Book related, past some fairly tame sci-fi elements. One's a story-book based on the most well-known stories of these characters primed for 13 Year Olds, and the other is an R-Rated drama. I get the hate boner some have, but it's gotten ridiculous. Folks are comparing apples to oranges. None of the MCU characters have the violence of Logan.

It has nothing to do with violence. Its about making a movie that makes characters and the relationships with one another the priority in these films and knows when to stop forcing humor.

The MCU is excelling at doing the opposite by making generic and shallow explorations of their characters to keep things light and simple & force-feeding its audience cheap laughs so the kids won't start playing with their phones during the quiet moments (which basically don't exist in MCU movies anymore).

Spider-Man: Homecoming doesn't need an R-rating or the tone presented here to be an equally great film. It just needs an approach to storytelling and characterization done with the same level of heart and honesty. Will it get it? Probably not because again, their formula (a proven box office vacuum) is to do the opposite. Its to not explore any meaningful themes or serious subject matter. So like Doctor Strange and Civil War and Ant-Man and......you'll just get great looking costumes, less than stellar CG and the safest most simplified approach to storytelling being pumped out today. In the end nothing meaningful will have happened - so nothing deeply affecting will stay with you as you leave that theater.

The cinematic equivalent of Taco Bell Drive-thru.

 

[Victοr]

Apparently you can't like both....

It was ridiculous in the comic-book days, and it's ridiculous now. The X-Fans hated the Avengers fans, the Batman fans hated... well, everyone, and so on and so forth. Liking different things from each company is such a rare thing, when it should've been the norm. What can you do...

Xmen separate from marvel? That doesn't feel right to me. Hulk vs wolverine. Spider-Man interacting with kitty pryde. Cap and wolverine fighting side by side .

Just feels right. I mean call me whatever but I love xmen and they'll always be apart of marvel. Not fox. Yea they aren't in the same movie universe but I don't care that's irrelevant. Xmen will always be marvel and the lore will always be loved. Fox can make fantastic and outstanding movies but xmen will always be marvel in my eyes and forever.

I didn't mean that Marvel should sell the X-Men rights completely, just that they should seperate their Universes a bit. Remember how the most mature characters, and mostly supernatural ones, where part of Vertigo, whereas the main DC heroes resided in the Prime Earth? Now they've been merged, and that's actually hurt the overall structure, IMO. See, I always though that certain IPs should be in their own "reality" pockets. You could still do crossovers, but they'd have their own laws and whatnot. I worked on such a "division" a while back:

*Paranormal: Ghost Rider, Doctor Strange, Daimon Hellstrom, all that jazz. I mean, you can't read April's Ghost Rider issue where he battles Satan in Texas, and then read Avengers where Pym declares that he has no belief in anything past the material world. It just doesn't make sense and destroyes the illusion of a shared universe. This line would be completely seperated from the other lines.

*Street: Daredevil, Moon Knight, Punisher, etc. That'd be ambiguous, so in case you wanted to do a crossover, you could easily do it. Just stick these guys in non-NY related places, and they can be some sort of "urban myths". Thus, if you need Punisher to try and assassinate Osborn, you can easily connect the two. This'd be a "pocket Universe", not seperate per se, but isolated enough.

*Main U: Iron Man, Spider-Man, F4, X-Men, Avengers, etc. This'd be the "main" U, and would feature most of the big name characters, which are mostly based on sci-fi. X-Men and the Avengers can work, as one is a team full of secluded "genetic freaks", and the other is a team of super-heroes who range from playboys to living legends. The F4 are just explorers, as usual. Really, they're very compatible.

So yeah, basically isolate the supernatural side from the others, and have them be more "realistic", like the early days of the Ultimate Universe. It's an easy fix, and makes each of the universes more "streamlined".

 

[Victοr]

It has nothing to do with violence. Its about making a movie that makes characters and the relationships with one another the priority in these films and knows when to stop forcing humor.

The MCU is excelling at doing the opposite by making generic and shallow explorations of their characters to keep things light and simple & force-feeding its audience cheap laughs so the kids won't start playing with their phones during the quiet moments (which basically don't exist in MCU movies anymore).

Yeah, well, that's what the MCU was always gonna be. They took a very comic book-y approach and essentially delivered Silver Age stories with colourful costumes. They didn't set out to make an Ultimate Marvel Cinematic Universe, just take the classic stories and put them on film. You're free to dislike it as much as you want, but you folks were kidding themselves if you thought that the MCU would get more character driven as time went on. These flicks were always supposed to be "modern fairytales". They're enjoyable, they feature the basic version of their most well-known heroes and are telling safe, but harmless stories.

Spider-Man: Homecoming doesn't need an R-rating or the tone presented here to be an equally great film. It just needs an approach to storytelling and characterization done with the same level of heart and honesty. Will it get it? Probably not because again, their formula (a proven box office vacuum) is to do the opposite. Its to not explore any meaningful themes or serious subject matter. So like Doctor Strange and Civil War and Ant-Man and......you'll just get great looking costumes, less than stellar CG and the safest most simplified approach to storytelling being pumped out today. In the end nothing meaningful will have happened - so nothing deeply affecting will stay with you as you leave that theater.

The cinematic equivalent of Taco Bell Drive-thru.

And that's not a bad thing. They're not making these flicks for me or you, who have longboxes full of various titles. They're making them for the toddlers, the teenage couples and the middle aged men who read Spider-Man when they were in their early tens, and then forgot about him. Once in a while, a burger is good.

WB & Fox to an extent can afford to be more experimental, because in the former's case they don't need to introduce anybody to their characters, and the latter because the X-Men were Marvel's most well-know IP next to Spider-Man. In Marvel's case, they had to introduce the whole world to characters that nobody had heard about.

I want to see Fraction's Iron Man translated to the big screen as much as anyone. Same goes for Brubaker's or Grenwald's Cap, Simonson's Thor, etc, etc. But first they have to become household names, and the MCU is the way to do it. Maybe in the next reboot we'll get the Ultimate versions, and the new Cinematic Universe will be more grounded.

 

[SNIKT1950]

So Creed did have a role in the film at one point...

There was a moment when we were thinking about, as I recall, Jim [Mangold] had an idea where when they were on the run, and they go to the gambling town, there may have been at that point they were going to see (Sabretooth) for help. He was going to be there for help. Now that you mention it! I wouldn't swear to it, but we thought that would have been an interesting thing to do. And then for whatever reason we didn't do it.

 

[noface]

So Creed did have a role in the film at one point...

I dont know if it would have made the film better, but I wouldve liked to see that. I wish I couldve seen James Mangold's version of the Sabretooth. Btw I thought it was cheesy in the Orgins movie when Sabretooth would make those animal like expression, like he was growling or something. Other than that, he was good.

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[YoNoSe]

Dunno why everyone's bringin up the MCU though.

Desperate insecurity?

Inability to have a pisitive discussion?

Zoloft ran out?


Probably all of those.

On-topic, after on viewing I think this is my favorite super-hero related movie. Can't wait to see it again.