They ran because if they got shot they'd be dead. Sure maybe they'd take out some of the Mercs but they'd really be taking a chance with their lives. X23 has her healing ability but the other kids didn't.
Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)
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They ran because if they got shot they'd be dead. Sure maybe they'd take out some of the Mercs but they'd really be taking a chance with their lives. X23 has her healing ability but the other kids didn't.
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Super Freak
Yeah, I was thinking about this. There's this block people have about something being adapted from a novel with images that they don't have if it's just a novel with only words.
I think Logan had it's sci-fi or fantastical elements but it transcended to it's own thing. Maybe above what we know of this standard of comic book movies.
Not saying it is better or worse or the same as a coen Bros movie. I think it's a fair comparison to no country for old man in it's understated character nuances and the back against the wall feeling. I think brolins character seems more like he's going to get out of it then Logan does, and he is a mutant with metal bones.
I just think sci-fi, fantasy, horror, comic book movies are always sort of discounted genres. It's like people label it as kid stuff or something. Which, yeah sometimes it is and that's great to. But it's like 30 + years of quality work that still can't overcome this notion.
Just a thought.
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I think Logan had it's sci-fi or fantastical elements but it transcended to it's own thing. Maybe above what we know of this standard of comic book movies.
Not saying it is better or worse or the same as a coen Bros movie. I think it's a fair comparison to no country for old man in it's understated character nuances and the back against the wall feeling. I think brolins character seems more like he's going to get out of it then Logan does, and he is a mutant with metal bones.
I just think sci-fi, fantasy, horror, comic book movies are always sort of discounted genres. It's like people label it as kid stuff or something. Which, yeah sometimes it is and that's great to. But it's like 30 + years of quality work that still can't overcome this notion.
Just a thought.
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Also the kids murdering Pierce was shown so we see they are powerful and capable to go it with out wolverine, in my eyes. They are not a threat unless crossed. I also feel like he inspired them to protect themselves and not be victims anymore.
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That's a good point.
However, were they shooting to kill? They kids were valuable.
I wish I could remember all their powers though, so that I can make more sense of the ending.
I just remember seeing some powerful kids....but I could be wrong.
@ the crosslolmojination with Man of Steel.
Like A Bug's Life! Go Disney!
Well speaking for myself, I think Alien and Blade Runner are two of the best made films of the last 40 years. I also think the Shining, the Exorcist, and Psycho are also in the upper pantheon of films. And though I do so begrudgingly, and ask Khev not to read this, I think Lord of the Rings is one of the most epic things ever put to the big screen.
And there are scores of others like ET, the Arrival, District 9, the Thing, Silence of the Lambs, the Fly, A History of Violence (technically a comic film), 2001, etc. that I also think are absolutely upper tier films.So I think I am able to put those kinds of films in that kind of category. And I think Dark Knight is essentially in that discussion. But for Logan, I think it's more an example of a film far exceeding expectations than a film genuinely placing itself in the company of other, great films. If you could have had Aranofsky, or David Fincher, or the Coens, or Cronenberg, or Villeneuve, or Spielberg (or Nolan!) to handle an X-Men film, you may well get something that warrants that kind of praise IMO. But generally you don't see that quality of a filmmaker take these things on frankly. And I'm a huge fan of Bryan Singer, and like Usual Suspects a great deal. But he's not in that category. Neither is Taika Waititi, Kenneth Branaugh, the Russos, or David Ayer, though each of these filmmakers can be very good and make for enjoyable moviegoing experiences.
And though I do so begrudgingly, and ask Khev not to read this, I think Lord of the Rings is one of the most epic things ever put to the big screen.
Verhoeven wouldn't have given us unsatisfying deaths for any of the bad guys, that's for sure. RoboCop still reigns supreme IMO as the greatest Hard R "superhero" type film.
jye4ever
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Regarding Pierce's death, my concerns are more over the message (or lack thereof) than the execution (pun not intended).
Making it simply revenge of the poor, oppressed children with no larger meaning would be a pretty lame, Snyder-esque move. I like to think it speaks to the overall darkness and cynicism of the times those kids are living in, and what they may have to confront moving forward. Is Logan's way the best way? Do you need to kill not just to survive, but because it is all you really know? How does Deadpool play into all of this?
I don't expect these themes to be pursued at all in future films
I don't know if it went that deep.
Jye, you can't '' '' what ClownPrince said there. I refuted it and got him to somewhat agree with my point. You must do likewise.
'' what ClownPrince said there. I refuted it and got him to somewhat agree with my point. You must do likewise.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Jye, you can't ''
Must pull Clown away from a-dev mind control...I got you Clown!
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
Jye, you can't ''
Must pull Clown away from a-dev mind control...I got you Clown!
jye4ever
Broke and happy
I would take a great sci-fi/action/horror/fantasy/superhero/cbm movie over any highly rated boring drama any day of the week.
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Super Freak
Of course! I would to.
And my thought isn't specifically about logan but these genre films in general.
Even the example of certain caliber directors not taking the reigns on these is another level of this notion.
Or to that point, a capable director "dumbing" down to direct to a degree. X1 or x2 are great cb movies for their time imo but the added occasional one liner or action sequence can feel unnecessary or forced. Not that i feel the usual suspects is high art or anything.
Schumachers films are doubly disappointing for me as a fan of lost boys and flatliners.
And my thought isn't specifically about logan but these genre films in general.
Even the example of certain caliber directors not taking the reigns on these is another level of this notion.
Or to that point, a capable director "dumbing" down to direct to a degree. X1 or x2 are great cb movies for their time imo but the added occasional one liner or action sequence can feel unnecessary or forced. Not that i feel the usual suspects is high art or anything.
Schumachers films are doubly disappointing for me as a fan of lost boys and flatliners.
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Logan is at the level of No Country For Old Men and Hell or High Water.
The problem is that because its a movie featuring CBM characters, people have a tough time not labeling it a CBM - which are for the most part not that serious or intelligent.
Again, this is why Mangold's commentary about the Western is such a wonderful thematic part of the film. Its about transcending a bloated and formulaic genre and completely obliterating the preconceived notions associated with it.
Here we are three weeks later and there are still people who feel the villains were underwhelming, the plot too small and the deaths of both Logan and Xavier too subtle. But those are exactly the reactions Mangold was trying to elicit by not having a massive CG spectacle to close out the third act or having Sinister come out of nowhere and reveal himself to be Rice's boss and the "main villain".
Logan is essentially what today's CBM formula would tell you not to do. But the folks at FOX are feeling bold these days and pretty much turning the genre on its head with stuff like Deadpool, Logan and Legion.
The problem is that because its a movie featuring CBM characters, people have a tough time not labeling it a CBM - which are for the most part not that serious or intelligent.
Again, this is why Mangold's commentary about the Western is such a wonderful thematic part of the film. Its about transcending a bloated and formulaic genre and completely obliterating the preconceived notions associated with it.
Here we are three weeks later and there are still people who feel the villains were underwhelming, the plot too small and the deaths of both Logan and Xavier too subtle. But those are exactly the reactions Mangold was trying to elicit by not having a massive CG spectacle to close out the third act or having Sinister come out of nowhere and reveal himself to be Rice's boss and the "main villain".
Logan is essentially what today's CBM formula would tell you not to do. But the folks at FOX are feeling bold these days and pretty much turning the genre on its head with stuff like Deadpool, Logan and Legion.
Oh FFS
Your honor I move to have the above post stricken from the record on account of bold print not being used for the first mention of the word Logan.
GasparZizou
Super Freak
That's good old SKNIT, saying cool things.
>Deadpool.
Oh, so close....
I keep hearing Legion is outstanding, need to check it out.
Also need to rewatch No Country soon, to see if it Logan holds up of NC is better.
>Deadpool.
Oh, so close....
I keep hearing Legion is outstanding, need to check it out.
Also need to rewatch No Country soon, to see if it Logan holds up of NC is better.
It really is. Read Spurrier's X-Men Legacy as well, and you'll get even more out of it.
GasparZizou
Super Freak
Thanks, I will.
