Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[GasparZizou]

it isnt an underdeveloped movie as much as it just simple and understated

This is why this movie deserves recognition in an age of exposition.

 

[karamazov80]

Also, when you consider that the film was shot and cut in just five months its hard to give it ****.

I've gotta judge a movie by what it is, irrespective of the context surrounding production and whatnot. If it sucks, then it sucks, no matter why. Otherwise, I would surely be a lot more sympathetic to Suicide Squad, which seems to have been a master class in studio interference. Or Fant4Stic, where you had a drug addled slacker in charge of a number of very talented actors.

Wolverine getting his ass kicked is definitely a trend of most of the x-men/wolverine movies.

That's totally in line with his character. In the comics he's beat the hell up more often than he isn't. Love this page from one of my favorite comics ever:

Plus, Singer stays young by eating children, like Pennywise the clown.

Charles is the main villain in Logan

He killed all the X-Men, got the farm family killed, etc. etc.

Yeah, wtf is up with that? That was terribly selfish of him, like you've seen the kinds of dudes you have on your tail and you decide to stay with a family?

Charles was being capricious like old people can be, but Logan should've known waaaay better than that, at least go after having dinner, don't stay the night.

Yeah, that bothered me during the film, as well. Despite all the Charles has done and sacrificed in his life, this is the final act that he's responsible for? But, if you take Magneto's perspective on human/mutant relations, and his level of optimism in the world in general, then it is a nice way of punctuating Magneto's argument. You get overly optimistic, and people who don't deserve it get killed. Though Xavier is the heart of the X-Men, so. . .why should we be optimistic for the mutant kids at the end?

 

[Khev]

I guess getting his ass kicked is the "not very nice" part of being the best there is at what he does.

 

[SNIKT1950]

To me it seems like logan felt pushed really far against the wall. Completely afraid of the world as a whole. Charles is a risk and a burden but the only person he cares about. He's trying to keep his head down and get the hell out with this plan to find a boat (which seems like he hardly even believes ls is going to happen or possibly work out).

The villains aren't as important as they served to justify logan feeling more isolated and paranoid. He is right to feel this way because of how everything continues to unfolds around him. Charles' hope is naive and it gets people killed.

But the point of the movie is that hope is worth having even in the absolute darkest of times. He redeems himself by helping the children escape to do their best to make a better future than what he had lived through.

X-24 was who he could have been without charles.

Rice was representative of the kind of constant struggle the mutants are up against. A self righteous extremist with resources. Like the men that put the poison on his bones.

Pierce is the sociopath that loves living in this mad world. A soldier that never has to go home. Another sort of shadow of wolverines past. Akin to sabretooth

I feel it isnt an underdeveloped movie as much as it just simple and understated in some ways.

This guy gets it.

The villains weren't important and were never supposed to be.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

It does kind of make me rewatch the x-men and just sude with magneto the entire time now.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

 

[Snake Plissken]

I saw Logan today. It was okay, I guess I wasn't as impressed as the rest of the world. I felt like they could of had Logan go all out and give him the bad ass ending he deserved, but it never really happened.

Spoiler

Having the kids kill the villain(who was nothing special)was very underwhelming.

You're not alone. I was incredibly underwhelmed by it and thought it was a pathetic ending to the Logan story. Not a bad film, but at the end I'm like "this is it?" Eh. I don't see myself rewatching this and I as much as I disliked it, I'd rather rewatch Apocalpyse.

A simplistic film was a good approach, but much of it wasn't utilized at all. I honestly cannot comprehend the praise it's getting.

 

[SNIKT1950]

You're not alone. I was incredibly underwhelmed by it and thought it was a pathetic ending to the Logan story. Not a bad film, but at the end I'm like "this is it?" Eh. I don't see myself rewatching this and I as much as I disliked it, I'd rather rewatch Apocalpyse.

A simplistic film was a good approach, but much of it wasn't utilized at all. I honestly cannot comprehend the praise it's getting.

Skip No Country for Old Men. Equally understated and subtle.

 

[YoNoSe]

No Country is a great example of the hired muscle elevating himself to main villain.

 

[karamazov80]

Skip No Country for Old Men. Equally understated and subtle.

No Country is a great example of the hired muscle elevating himself to main villain.

To my eyes, that this is an apples to oranges comparison. Very superficial similarities. No Country is a masterclass in filmmaking. The story is complex and profound in its way. The cinematography alone is so glorious that you could watch the movie on mute and enjoy the hell out of it. One of the best films of the last 20 years. Logan is a really really good comic movie. But a Coen Bros. movie, it ain't. And that's no insult. Nothing else is.

 

[ZaCHw117]

No Country is a masterclass in filmmaking. The story is complex and profound in its way. The cinematography alone is so glorious that you could watch the movie on mute and enjoy the hell out of it.

You just described Logan.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

No Country for Old Men >>> Logan

 

[YoNoSe]

To my eyes, that this is an apples to oranges comparison. Very superficial similarities. No Country is a masterclass in filmmaking. The story is complex and profound in its way. The cinematography alone is so glorious that you could watch the movie on mute and enjoy the hell out of it. One of the best films of the last 20 years. Logan is a really really good comic movie. But a Coen Bros. movie, it ain't. And that's no insult. Nothing else is.

I wasn't comparing the virtues outside of that one element. We were talking about main villains vs. hired muscle and I thought it was amusing that NCFOM came up as Chigurh makes himself the villain by process of elimination. In this case, literally.

 

[karamazov80]

You just described Logan.

That's like saying that Suicide Squad is equivalent, from an artistic and filmmaking perspective, to Fight Club. I really liked this movie, but--just personally speaking--I think people are making way more out of it than is warranted.

I wasn't comparing the virtues outside of that one element. We were talking about main villains vs. hired muscle and I thought it was amusing that NCFOM came up as Chigurh makes himself the villain by process of elimination. In this case, literally.

Fair enough. There are similarities, of course.

 

[Khev]

No Country for Old Men >>> Logan

Yes. In some ways NCFOM was similar to Logan with regard to the story (with Laura replacing the briefcase of money) and the fact that I was also a bit unsatisfied with how NCFOM left off with a couple of its main characters (again, similar to Logan) but it nevertheless didn't have any goofy or cringeworthy moments like Logan did (evil twin/lolnado grass/homicidal kids from Hook, etc.)

 

[YoNoSe]

Also, before we get too presumin', I'd watch Logan again before Hail Ceasar. The Coens don't crap gumdrops.

 

[karamazov80]

Also, before we get too presumin', I'd watch Logan again before Hail Ceasar. The Coens don't crap gumdrops.

Also a fair point

But not even Stanley Kubrick hit a homerun every time out.

 

[RIDDICK]

No Country for Old Men >>> Logan

Coen's True Grit > Logan

 

[a-dev]

lolnado grass

@ the crosslolmojination with Man of Steel.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yes. In some ways NCFOM was similar to Logan with regard to the story (with Laura replacing the briefcase of money) and the fact that I was also a bit unsatisfied with how NCFOM left off with a couple of its main characters (again, similar to Logan) but it nevertheless didn't have any goofy or cringeworthy moments like Logan did (evil twin/attack grass/homicidal kids from Hook, etc.)

I really like Logan, but the third act with the kids using their powers feels a bit...traditional, which is not a bad thing, but considering most of the film was somewhat grounded, considering it has mutants with powers, the ending was too big. Once the kids started using their powers, it became more X Men 3 than NCFOM, imo. Also, those kids were pretty powerful, so I don't get why they were so scared of some humans with guns. One girl alone made a guy explode and the leader of the kids lifted a whole truck with his...mind I guess? It was a bit much, imo. If they had more grounded abilities like X23, I could see why they wouldn't fight.

Also a fair point

But not even Stanley Kubrick hit a homerun every time out.

Most great directors stay on base and very rarely strikeout.

They don't hit a homerun every time, but they get a hit, a double, or a triple most of the time.

The average directors are the ones that strikeout

 

[karamazov80]

Regarding Pierce's death, my concerns are more over the message (or lack thereof) than the execution (pun not intended).

Making it simply revenge of the poor, oppressed children with no larger meaning would be a pretty lame, Snyder-esque move. I like to think it speaks to the overall darkness and cynicism of the times those kids are living in, and what they may have to confront moving forward. Is Logan's way the best way? Do you need to kill not just to survive, but because it is all you really know? How does Deadpool play into all of this?

I don't expect these themes to be pursued at all in future films And say what you will about Singer, at least he was concerned with bigger picture themes, which I appreciated.

Most great directors more often than not stay on base.

They don't hit a homerun every time, but they get a hit, a double, or a triple most of the time.

The average directors are the ones that strikeout

And that's the argument I was making with the Coens, really. Sure, Ladykillers was pretty bad for example, but by and large their movies are better than everything else coming out at a given time.