Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[SNIKT1950]

I'll take better, more cerebral films spanning two separate timelines over spoon-fed popcorn movies incapable of taking risks.

 

[RIDDICK]

FOX took no risk with TW, DoFP or Apoc.

 

[YoNoSe]

I'll take better, more cerebral films spanning two separate timelines over spoon-fed popcorn movies incapable of taking risks.

Do you have a Word doc you copy and paste from or do you just like typing out the same comment ad nauseum?

 

[SNIKT1950]

FOX took no risk with DoFP

There's more risk in that movie alone than in the last 7 MCU movies.

 

[pturtle]

FOX took no risk with TW, DoFP or Apoc.

Well I think in terms of story, Fox has taken far more risks than Marvel. I mean we're a decade into the MCU and almost every character is still alive and doing well. Also, Marvel has skimmed over a lot of things like Tony Stark's alcoholism, just to keep these movies focused on the heroics for the younger crowd I guess.

If we're talking about taking risks in green lighting certain projects then I think Fox edges out Marvel but it's close. Marvel made GOTG out of nowhere, which really expanded their universe, and in my opinion it's the second best film they've made, Ant-Man, and Doctor Strange are a bit risky too, but thy have brand recognition now, as long as the reviews are good enough, none of their movies will flop. FoX did make Deadpool though, and are now making an R rated Wolverine film, both are risky because we know these studios don't like putting out big budget R rated films since they try and squeeze every dollar out of these films that they can, which ends up hurting them most of the time.

At the end of the day Marvel is more consistent, most of the bad movies they make aren't laughably bad (except for Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron) and you have to respect how they're keeping their continuity in check with all these different directors helming vastly different movies. FoX however, has made the better films of the group, there's not a single MCU movie outside of the first Iron Man that's as good as X2, FC, or DOFP. When watching a good FoX-Men film, it feels like more is at stake, it feels like I'm watching a complete film, with the MCU it feels like I'm watching a teaser to the next film. I prefer FoX's way of making superhero films for now, even though a decent amount of them have been terrible because I know they're capable of making gems, where as with Marvel, I'm almost always certain I will be watching a mediocre film with one or two cool action scenes if that.

 

[Victοr]

Do you have a Word doc you copy and paste from or do you just like typing out the same comment ad nauseum?

I think it's a new forum rule. We can't go past 5 pages without a "Marvel films are kiddie crap and you're all sheeeeeeeeeeeeeep!" comment. I think I read it somewhere in the update patch notes. Any mods care to clear this up? I'm quite curious...

 

[jye4ever]

While you're not entirely wrong about the XM movies having their quality cerebral moments there aren't enough of those moments to make us forget about the lack of quality high octane action that is plentiful in the MCU.

These are movies were super moments matter.

 

[SNIKT1950]

with Marvel, I'm almost always certain I will be watching a mediocre film with one or two cool action scenes if that.

Bingo.

13 films in and only four really stand out. Who cares about great continuity when quality is for the most part mediocre?

 

[YoNoSe]

I guess it is risky to keep casting young boys in Bryan Singer movies.

 

[SNIKT1950]

quality high octane action that is plentiful in the MCU.

Even from an aspect of strictly action, DEADPOOL (an action comedy) demolishes Civil War.

I remember watching Civil War and waiting for those "holy ****!!!" moments to dazzle me. They never came. With DEADPOOL they were spread out through the entire film.

But that's what happens when you make a war movie without teeth.

 

[YoNoSe]

 

[ironwez20]

Well hey now those Spider-Man moments were total holy **** moments! But hey I'm a huge spider fan so. Deadpool didn't wow me but it made me laugh. Infact I think deadpool represents the xmen way better than the movies with only two characters.

Colossus actually looked and acted like his comic counterpart. Instead of being a skinny metal man.

 

[jye4ever]

Deadpool jokes were so bad I don't even think the 14 year olds thought they were funny.

Colossus looked great although he needed more yellow.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Well hey now those Spider-Man moments were total holy **** moments! But hey I'm a huge spider fan so. Deadpool didn't wow me but it made me laugh. Infact I think deadpool represents the xmen way better than the movies with only two characters.

Colossus actually looked and acted like his comic counterpart. Instead of being a skinny metal man.

I gave CW chances all the way to the end.

During the three way fight between Cap, Bucky and Tony, I was actually expecting Tony to kill Bucky (instead of pointlessly just ripping off his prosthetic arm). Not only would that have been the most warranted death in the entire MCU but it would have actually given some weight to the fight between Cap and Tony.

But naturally, they kept Bucky alive and pointlessly froze him again.

Civil War, as inconsequential an MCU film as Iron Man 3.

 

[RIDDICK]

There's more risk in that movie alone than in the last 7 MCU movies.

No. "First Class" was risky, and makin' the actual sequels to FC could be risky. DoFP was very safe and then they went full retard with Crapocalypse.

And please don't mistake me a fan of any studio. I couldn't give a **** about who's producin' good films as long as they're quality.

 

[SNIKT1950]

No. "First Class" was risky, and makin' the actual sequels to FC could be risky.
DoFP was very safe and then they went full retard with Crapocalypse.

There's nothing safe about DOFP. Nothing.

Its a superb film.

Its a shame the follow up was nowhere near as good.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I gave CW chances all the way to the end.

During the three way fight between Cap, Bucky and Tony, I was actually expecting Tony to kill Bucky (instead of pointlessly just ripping off his prosthetic arm). Not only would that have been the most warranted death in the entire MCU but it would have actually given some weight to the fight between Cap and Tony.

But naturally, they kept Bucky alive and pointlessly froze him again.

Civil War, as inconsequential an MCU film as Iron Man 3.

The avengers are a mess. Rhodey got paralyzed. The government is now directly involved in the state of the avengers. Cap is still a fugitive...and as if right now really not even Captain America. Wakanda is a player now. General Ross is in full Ahab mode. Spider-man (!!) Is now a factor.

I don't understand why many people feel that death is the only result of consequence. Alot of wheels started going in motion from the results of this film. Clearly from Rhodes' comments at the end, this is still a very divisive stance among the team.

Bucky dying, while would have added weight to this particular film, might be taking up the mantle of Captain America in the future per some opinions. And people bring up how Hawkeye was pulling his punches so the fight at the end wasn't a real fight yet meanwhile BP almost sliced Bucky's neck clean open before SW interfered.

I understand people have a fascination with superheroes being killed, but death doesn't automatically make something heavier. Quicksilvers death in AoU didn't affect me in the slightest. Many of the MCU films with no major characters dying had a stronger sentimental impact for me.

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

They won't be using Wolverine for a while. Its the right thing to do when an actor who played him superbly for 17 years calls it quits.

I could see Tom Hardy as Wolverine, but I doubt he'd want to play a role made famous by another contemporary actor.

 

[YoNoSe]

Mel Gibson could've been a hell of an old Wolverine. Speaking of Tom Hardy.

 

[pturtle]

While you're not entirely wrong about the XM movies having their quality cerebral moments there aren't enough of those moments to make us forget about the lack of quality high octane action that is plentiful in the MCU.

These are movies were super moments matter.

See, outside of TWS, most of their movies are subpar in the action department too. I know you love CW and the first avengers action so I'll throw that in there, but are you telling me the Iron Man trilogy, Thor 2, The First Avenger, Ant-Man and Age of Ultron had great action? I just find most of the MCU movies to be just as hit and miss. Doctor Strange does look like it's going to have some incredible visuals though.

Guardians I didn't think had any particularly great action scenes but I thought the movie looked beautiful and the CGI on Rocket and Groot were top notch.

Bingo.

13 films in and only four really stand out. Who cares about great continuity when quality is for the most part mediocre?

Yea, people are getting so caught up on continuity but that's also the very reason why a lot of the MCU films are forgettable. With movies like FC and DOFP, the directors tried making the best possible movie they could. I don't get that when I watch an MCU film most of the time.

Well hey now those Spider-Man moments were total holy **** moments! But hey I'm a huge spider fan so. Deadpool didn't wow me but it made me laugh. Infact I think deadpool represents the xmen way better than the movies with only two characters.

Colossus actually looked and acted like his comic counterpart. Instead of being a skinny metal man.

But was Deadpool a better movie than DOFP, FC, or X2?

I see director's like Whedon get a ton of credit for the Avengers and how he handled all the characters, but people forget he didn't have to introduce them and tell a good story, he did neither, he made a spectacle, Singer made X1, literally introducing all these characters to the general audience for the first time while also trying to make us care about these characters and take them seriously, none of these characters had solo films, so of course some characters aren't going to be represented as well as others. Whedon got his chance to make a more personal personal film, with an actual story, he tried to give those characters more depth and he ended up failing at it horribly.

Also, I didn't think any of the Spidey action was particularly memorable. Certainly none of the action scenes come close to touching Raimi's Spider-Man.

Deadpool jokes were so bad I don't even think the 14 year olds thought they were funny.

Colossus looked great although he needed more yellow.

I tried watching Deadpool last night again, and I couldn't, I don't think it's a bad movie, it's just not for me, the novelty of the R rating wears off fast but I get why a lot of people like it, and considering the budget, and fan service I consider it quite an achievement.

There's nothing safe about DOFP. Nothing.

Its a superb film.

Its a shame the follow up was nowhere near as good.

Agreed, I don't see what was safe about it. It's a great movie, with top notch acting, and very good action,m. The whole idea of doing a time travel movie within the grounded Singerverse is already a risk, and the fact it didn't seem too ridiculous shows Singer did a great job.

The avengers are a mess. Rhodey got paralyzed. The government is now directly involved in the state of the avengers. Cap is still a fugitive...and as if right now really not even Captain America. Wakanda is a player now. General Ross is in full Ahab mode. Spider-man (!!) Is now a factor.

I don't understand why many people feel that death is the only result of consequence. Alot of wheels started going in motion from the results of this film. Clearly from Rhodes' comments at the end, this is still a very divisive stance among the team.

Bucky dying, while would have added weight to this particular film, might be taking up the mantle of Captain America in the future per some opinions. And people bring up how Hawkeye was pulling his punches so the fight at the end wasn't a real fight yet meanwhile BP almost sliced Bucky's neck clean open before SW interfered.

I understand people have a fascination with superheroes being killed, but death doesn't automatically make something heavier. Quicksilvers death in AoU didn't affect me in the slightest. Many of the MCU films with no major characters dying had a stronger sentimental impact for me.

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The Avengers aren't a mess though, only Iron Man is, and who cares if Rhodey's legs don't work, he can still be War machine and kick ass without problem. It's not like that character was shown to have a family or anything, by the end of the movie he got fake legs and continue living the same life he had before.

I like the whole Cap becoming a fugitive angle, and leading a secret Avengers team, but Bucky going back to sleep I thought was ridiculous, Russo's just shelved him until they knew what to do with him in future movies, I actually would have preferred he died than go back to sleep, and I don't want to see him become Cap, but that's just me.

QS dying had no impact because he's was basically introduced in the film for that very reason. These movies just don't seem to have any real consequences. Even still, I have a feeling he's coming back, nobody stays dead in these movies. Probably one of those gems will resurrect him or something.