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Maybe Jacob isn't as 'good' as we think...?
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Maybe Jacob isn't as 'good' as we think...?
Agreed, that part isn't fitting so far.
Before Ben was the leader he saved the French lady's baby. That seems pretty good.
And Kate is possibly #51.
I love how this season is mirroring season 1. almost makes you think they planned this out.
LINDELOF on the skeletons: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''
Interesting:
Jack's son, David, is shown reading an annotated version of Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland. Jack refers to Alice's two kittens, Kitty and Snowdrop, one black and one white. Also in this episode, Jack finds a key to his ex-wife's house hidden under a rabbit statue. Both these things refer to the fifth episode of Season 1, entitled White Rabbit. In that episode, Jack chases his dead father to the caves, eventually finding Adam and Eve, along with two stones, one white and one black, in the pocket of one of the corpses. In the flashback, Jack's father tells him he doesn't have what it takes.
And...
This was the 108th hour of Lost
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Disappointing... I was hoping it would transalte what he said to Hurley on last night's episode when he told he was a canidate and could do whatever he wanted.
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That's one thing that has me really puzzled. The island being underwater is having a much bigger impact on their lives than you would think. I don't understand why an appendix would need taken out(what 30 years earlier?) just because the island is underwater. They're going to need a damn good explanation for that for me.
Anyone else still think the skeletons are Rose and Bernard?
I do.
I don't know if I actually think its Rose and Bernard, but I like the idea of them living out the rest of their lives happily on the island.
I think Hurley mentioning that theory was a bit of a joke about it being the prevailing theory. Unless it turns out to be the case in which case I do think its dumb.
Didn't Ben send them to the temple last season or something? I don't think its two different factions. I think either they were all in barracks and we just didn't meet everyone yet, or some were there, but they were still part of the others.
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Did you not watch the third video?
No I didn't see that. 
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THEORY:
Jack will become the new Jacob. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not exactly relevatory info.... but its what comes next that has me thinking. We know that Stephen Kings "The Dark Tower" series has heavily influence LOST since the beginning, and one MAJOR theme of the series is the ability and necessity of pulling characters out of one timeline/dimension and into another. Now that we actually have dualing realities to contend with, it seems silly not to at least ponder this possibility. Add to that the seemingly bizzare decision to actually kill of John Locke and leave that characters entire journey over the course of the show completely pointless. Unless of course you're smokey....
Sooooo, hows this?
Island Jack somehow goes to the sideways world (I think last night gave us our first clue that doing so is possible, as Dogen seemed to know more than a simple sideways world incarnation of him would....) and seeks out the real John Locke. Whether he needs Locke on the island is not the point, in fact, I think i'd prefer it if Jack just WANTED to give John the opportunity to come back after everything that happened between them on the island. So, Jack finds Locke and tells him all about the Island. About how Flight 815 crashed, about how Locke awoke to find his legs working, about Locke: Master Hunter, Locke: Survivalist, Locke: Badass. He tells him of their relationship, about their epic science/faith discussions, about Jacks own inability to see the island for what it was and that at the end of it all, Locke was right. He tells Locke that on that island, there was NOTHING John wouldn't have done to protect it, even give his own life.
Jack tells him all of this, and that version of Locke still laying beneath the surface of the sideways world version of him (the one we've seen several characters take note of) hear what Jack is saying. He may not comprehend it all, he may not even believe it out right... but he hears him. And doesn't think that Jack is crazy.
Jack tells Locke that he is here to give him the opportunity to come back to the island. To reclaim the use of his legs, to walk through the jungles and hunt the boar once more. Jack tells Locke that this is his only chance to do so. In the world in which John Locke now lives, the Island exists only as a sister to Atlantis, lost beneath the sea forever. There is but one way for Locke to return to the island, and that is to take a leap of faith with Jack.
To this Locke will listen, and he will respond to Jack by saying something to the effect of; if all of this is true. If what you're telling me really happened, and I really was the man you said I was. That I really did the things you say I did, and if I really wanted nothing more than to stay on an island where I could walk and hunt and live a life full of adventure.... well, I must have been a very different person. Because I have a wife who I love more than anything, a family (father) I cherish and no amount of adventure, not even the chance to walk again, could ever replace that. AND (and heres the kicker.....) if all that you say happened to me really did... all that those awful things... well, maybe this life, this happiness is my reward for having gone thru all that. I don't need an island Jack.......
And there you have it. Jack getting to come to Locke, make amends for all the years of doubting and to attempt to right his wrongs. Locke, getting to decline the opportunity to go to the island, validating his life in the sideways world and all he went thru on the island and capping of the relationship of these two men who have butted heads since the very beginning......
Thoughts?
Jack will become the new Jacob. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not exactly relevatory info.... but its what comes next that has me thinking. We know that Stephen Kings "The Dark Tower" series has heavily influence LOST since the beginning, and one MAJOR theme of the series is the ability and necessity of pulling characters out of one timeline/dimension and into another. Now that we actually have dualing realities to contend with, it seems silly not to at least ponder this possibility. Add to that the seemingly bizzare decision to actually kill of John Locke and leave that characters entire journey over the course of the show completely pointless. Unless of course you're smokey....
Sooooo, hows this?
Island Jack somehow goes to the sideways world (I think last night gave us our first clue that doing so is possible, as Dogen seemed to know more than a simple sideways world incarnation of him would....) and seeks out the real John Locke. Whether he needs Locke on the island is not the point, in fact, I think i'd prefer it if Jack just WANTED to give John the opportunity to come back after everything that happened between them on the island. So, Jack finds Locke and tells him all about the Island. About how Flight 815 crashed, about how Locke awoke to find his legs working, about Locke: Master Hunter, Locke: Survivalist, Locke: Badass. He tells him of their relationship, about their epic science/faith discussions, about Jacks own inability to see the island for what it was and that at the end of it all, Locke was right. He tells Locke that on that island, there was NOTHING John wouldn't have done to protect it, even give his own life.
Jack tells him all of this, and that version of Locke still laying beneath the surface of the sideways world version of him (the one we've seen several characters take note of) hear what Jack is saying. He may not comprehend it all, he may not even believe it out right... but he hears him. And doesn't think that Jack is crazy.
Jack tells Locke that he is here to give him the opportunity to come back to the island. To reclaim the use of his legs, to walk through the jungles and hunt the boar once more. Jack tells Locke that this is his only chance to do so. In the world in which John Locke now lives, the Island exists only as a sister to Atlantis, lost beneath the sea forever. There is but one way for Locke to return to the island, and that is to take a leap of faith with Jack.
To this Locke will listen, and he will respond to Jack by saying something to the effect of; if all of this is true. If what you're telling me really happened, and I really was the man you said I was. That I really did the things you say I did, and if I really wanted nothing more than to stay on an island where I could walk and hunt and live a life full of adventure.... well, I must have been a very different person. Because I have a wife who I love more than anything, a family (father) I cherish and no amount of adventure, not even the chance to walk again, could ever replace that. AND (and heres the kicker.....) if all that you say happened to me really did... all that those awful things... well, maybe this life, this happiness is my reward for having gone thru all that. I don't need an island Jack.......
And there you have it. Jack getting to come to Locke, make amends for all the years of doubting and to attempt to right his wrongs. Locke, getting to decline the opportunity to go to the island, validating his life in the sideways world and all he went thru on the island and capping of the relationship of these two men who have butted heads since the very beginning......
Thoughts?
That was an excellent Theory and I could see many of the scenes you described taking place.
I think another meeting between "sideways world" Jack and John is inevitable and may play out just as you mentioned. But I think another possibility would be that John does take up Jack's offer but perhaps for a different reason...
What if Jack needs John back in the island in order to correct the timeline or together battle the "evil" on the island? What if they play it out like the "Star Trek: Generations" film, where Picard goes into the Nexus to obtain Kirk's help?
What if John is not believing "island" Jack until Jack takes him where they can see "Sideways Jack" at the same time, convincing John that the wacky story is indeed real?
Then once it's done, John decides to go back to his life in "Sideways World" while Jack stays on the island. (with sideways world Jack continuing on as well.)
I think another meeting between "sideways world" Jack and John is inevitable and may play out just as you mentioned. But I think another possibility would be that John does take up Jack's offer but perhaps for a different reason...
What if Jack needs John back in the island in order to correct the timeline or together battle the "evil" on the island? What if they play it out like the "Star Trek: Generations" film, where Picard goes into the Nexus to obtain Kirk's help?
What if John is not believing "island" Jack until Jack takes him where they can see "Sideways Jack" at the same time, convincing John that the wacky story is indeed real?
Then once it's done, John decides to go back to his life in "Sideways World" while Jack stays on the island. (with sideways world Jack continuing on as well.)
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I don't know, but it's surely someone that's going to make sure say "AWWW HELL NAWWWWW!!!!"
tomandshell
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I think it's Widmore or Desmond (or both).
We want to see them one more time, but the off-island story is done at this point. Outside of the flashes, the only way to reconnect with those two characters would be to have them show up on the island on our way to the climax. I just don't see them adding a non-island non-flash storyline into the mix with just a few weeks left to go.
We want to see them one more time, but the off-island story is done at this point. Outside of the flashes, the only way to reconnect with those two characters would be to have them show up on the island on our way to the climax. I just don't see them adding a non-island non-flash storyline into the mix with just a few weeks left to go.
tomandshell
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Maybe it's just wishful thinking, because I would love to see both of these characters on the island for the grand finale.
Well there should be a resolution of some kind between Charles-Desmond and Charles-Ben (maybe the latter a bit less so).
lcummins
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Here's a question that's been bothering me... we know that Jacob and the MiB both seem to be ageless and at odds with each other... balancing each other so to speak. As far as I can recall, we don't have definitive proof that anyone else on the island is ageless except Richard. So just why is Richard ageless and what is his ultimate role???
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