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Well they told Terry O'Quinn when he got the part that it would pose some interesting challenges as an actor as he would eventually be playing two parts. And it has been fairly clear since the season five finale that they have known exactly what they were doing since the very beginning. Just go back and watch Lockes very first real conversation from the pilot. Or look how Desmond being stuck in the hatch longing for the arrival of his replacement mirrors the bigger picture of Jacob being stuck on the island waiting for his.

Oh, and I couldn't tell if the above post was serious or not but both the dharma shark and the polar bears have been explained
 
Interesting theory posted by Teala at Lostpedia (great read):

"Dharma Theory

One day in 1881 a ship came to an island. It was captained by a man named Magnus Hanso. The crew found the island had mysterious things going on. They also found that it was inhabited. The captains log book managed to make it off the island and information regarding the island was inside this log book. The book was lost for a time and re-found by Alvar Hanso, great grandson of Magnus Hanso who funded the Dharma project.

The Dharma project went back to the island to study it. During their scientific studies of the exotic matter and magnetic properties of the island an incident occurred. This incident was so powerful it warped space and time and the ripples of this incident through space and time actually caused other places to be effected in strange and mysterious ways.

Cut to Egypt(or maybe someplace in Tunisia(which at the time was controlled by Egyptians))...a weird purple light flashes in the sky with an ear piercing sound that is heard. Suddenly a hunk of land disappears - all inhabitants that were present disappears with it.

The effect of the Dharma project caused some of this weird matter to form under this hunk of land that is now an island somewhere in the pacific.

Over the years the people that lived on this island figured out that this exotic matter could be tapped. It changed them. They learned how to manipulate it. All within one generation. Some feared it. Some embraced it. A war occurred. Two people remained. One had blonde hair and the other black.

The two people left had used whatever means necessary to win. One from the side that embraced it and one from the side that feared it. The one thing they did learn was that they had changed. Neither aged. They both obtained strange and wonderful powers - almost God like in nature.

They also learned that because of the changes they went through they could no longer harm one another. Though they tried many times.

Both have theories as to what is going on and both wish to prove them. One just wishes to put the land back and go home to where they come from in both time and space. The other wishes to continue living on the island and embracing its wonderful powers. However, one fears that by putting the hunk of land back where it comes from will destroy the world. The other doesn't. So the game is afoot. They both try to stop one another from accomplishing their goal.

Over the years the one that embraced the island learned to cherish it and he hoped to some day share the wonders of the island with the rest of the world, when they were ready - but first they would have to prove themselves worthy. So he would bring people to the island and test them and to help him - help him with his war against the other to stop him from sending the island back.

One of them tried time and time again to use the exotic material to make things right and send the island back where it came from(the Dharma wheel being attached to the exotic matter some how).

One day in 1881 a ship comes to the island.

One of the crew manages to escape and takes with him the log book of Magnus Hanso. It is lost for a time and re-found by the great grandson of Magnus Hanso - Alvar Hanso. He reads about this island and its wondrous properties. He sends people there to study it and do scientific experiments. Something happens - the incident. This incident was so powerful it warped space and time and the ripples of this incident through space and time actually caused other places to be effected in strange and mysterious ways.

Oceanic Flight 815 was a scheduled flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles, California, on a Boeing 777 owned by Oceanic Airlines. Under mysterious circumstances, on Sept 22, 2004 the airliner, carrying 324 passengers, deviated from its original course and disappeared over the Pacific Ocean. This is the central moment in the series "Lost" and the chronological beginning of the main characters' exploits on the island.

We go through the show. We learn about the island. We experience the use of the wheel unleashing the the exotic matter in a controlled manner that can move the island through time and space. The Losties warp back to different times on the island - they have now disrupted the flow of time through their actions - brought on by the two guys trying to accomplish their goals.

They are both using whatever means necessary to prove the other wrong. One finds a loophole.

He sets the wheel in motion to defeat the other.

In the end, neither will succeed because the loop in time will become a noose and close. The time loop like a record skipping will eventually collapse. This will be brought on when the Losties mess the plans up of the the two guys, which will have it's own ripple effect that will be the reason the record stops skipping and the time loop collapses and effects the Dharma Project that stops the incident from occurring.

The Dharma project will fail because the island will sink and thus the Losties will never crash on the island and flight 815 will land in LA X. However, due to the nature of time and space ripples, the effects of the ripples will cause some serious DeJa Vu and our Losties in 2004(LA X) will once again be made aware that they may very well have saved the world.

Or something like that. ^_^ "
 
After his talk of duality, light and dark, good evil, I think the vision of John Locke with one black eye and one white in the pilot specifically pointed to his split as "good" and "bad" Locke, as did the season 2 "Bad Twin" novel, and the season 3 mention of Expose's "The Cobra", a character the audience had already met revealed to be the big bad guy in the fifth season of the show. They told Terry O'Quinn when they wrote the role for him that he'd be a very important character with some interesting meaty acting challenges that would take awhile to get to. Between the bits planted and the fact that Damon is a huge King fan, especially The Dark Tower whose deep influence is keenly a part of Lost's themes, characters and time bending story, I'm very confident when first breaking the show they had the whole Locke will become MiB, the big antagonist of the series plot point firmly planned. And of course we'll see how the skeletons play out.



Thanks for that!

A very encouraging post!






And NightCreeper that Dharma Theory was indeed fascinating!

Even if it's totally wrong it really does show the potential for tying all this stuff together!
 
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i have to work tonight...............:mad:


fortunately we have like a 55" hd screen tv.............:banana

dance danny boy dance !!!!!!!!!
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Woo Hoo!!! More questions w/o answers!!!! As much as I love this show I am getting tired of this. Answers would be nice.
 
I would say one answer we got is that we now know where the numbers originated. They are simply the numbers on the dial in the lighthouse. And the lighthouse can somehow enable Jacob to watch over certain people....each person's name is programed to a number. So that I am sure is answered.....how does the dial work? Well that we don't know.

I am loving the season so far, but one thing that is pissing me off.....we are getting answers.....but it takes 3/4 of the show until we get any hint of an answer.

The alternate reality is now really starting to confuse the ____ out of me......Jack has a kid? Damn, before the alternate realities of each persons lives all had similarities of the previous....or at least had people we knew. Locke & Helen, his job at the company....walkabout, Kate and the Marshal, etc.

Dogen appearing in Jacks side-flash was awesome, it definitely seemed like Dogen was there to serve a purpose and that he knew exactly what is going on and where he was.

Nothing to exciting with Claire, her story wasn't very intriguing and at this point is playing out to be quite boring......until Smokey came in the tent.

Overall the scenes with Jack were very powerful, an emotional episode reminding me of the first season of LOST.

More thoughts and theories later.....

EDIT: I think Desmond might be the one who is coming to the Island.
 
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Maybe it was because I was packing but this episode wasn't overly engaging too me. I liked Jack's sideways reality in this one, it was more interesting than what we've seen before and didn't seem to be trying to pack a bunch of interconectedness in. I'm okay with getting some more questions before we get all answers, we've got quite a few episodes left before things need to start winding down.
 
Boo. I like how 109 says Friendly though!

So... Dogen... in 2004. WTH man. I guess he wasn't on the Black Rock after all?
 
I don't know, Dogen almost seemed to know something....I have a feeling he knows what is going on and spoke to Jack for a reason.

But the flash sideways are getting strange now......Jack had his appendix taken out on the island in 2004......but his mother told him in the side-flash that it was taken out when he was 7. So what does this mean?
 
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