LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[pixletwin]

Yes he did!

 

[UTtoyfan]

The best part is--Miles made it off the Island with the diamonds!!!

I am so glad that him, Alpert, and Lapidus were the non-original cast members who made it to the end.

 

[Darth Waller]

When did they show him with the diamonds last night? I must've missed that.

 

[SSC_Nerd]

When did they show him with the diamonds last night? I must've missed that.

We didn't, but it's just a pretty strong assumption. If I had millions of dollars in diamonds, I'd keep them on me at all times!

 

[JosephCPR]

They didn't die in the crash and to say that is to ignore dialogue that expressly contradicts that in the episode. They all survived, everything on the Island happened, some died before Jack, some long after (Christian says this to Jack in the "church"). The meaning of the sunken island - these people were free of the Islands influence on them, letting them be the people they always wanted to be. The perfect examples of this are Hugo being the luckiest guy alive, Daniel being an accomplished pianist, Eloise being the loving wife and mother, Ben having a good relationship with his father and starting a life with Rousseau and Danielle.

So Charlie always wanted to be a drug addicted, Sayd wanted his brother to marry with the love of her life and Jack wanted to have a son with Julliet, only to get a divorce??? hmmm...weird people, aren't they?

 

[Darth Waller]

We didn't, but it's just a pretty strong assumption. If I had millions of dollars in diamonds, I'd keep them on me at all times!

Ah, good point.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Loved the ending, absolutely fantastic and totally satisfying. To all the haters that said not everything was answered....the show is not about the island or mysteries, the show is about the broken and lost people that crashed on the island and how, through each other, they found themselves and found their purpose. That is all.

 

[Memnoch]

So Charlie always wanted to be a drug addicted, Sayd wanted his brother to marry with the love of her life and Jack wanted to have a son with Julliet, only to get a divorce??? hmmm...weird people, aren't they?

Free of the Island's influence, yea that's where they were headed. Granted some of it was adjusted for storytelling purposes but sometimes you have to take that leap. Without the Island, in the life Charlie wanted, he didn't care about love or life, he was on a path of self destruction. Without the Island, Sayid would always be a fairly miserable and alone person, Jack always wanted a child, and without Juliet being on the Island she could have met Jack. Some of these conventions were done for the sake of the story, others not. Eloise Hawking even said it herself to Desmond, "You have the life you always wanted."

 

[Shropt]

Eloise Hawking even said it herself to Desmond, "You have the life you always wanted."

Now that is something I need answered. Who is Eloise?

I know she was on the island and banished/left and blahblahblah. But who was she in 2008? How did she know so much? How did she know Desmond in his time traveling? Who did she work for? How did she know when to fly the plane over the island?

That is the one biggest mystery besides the whole Jacob's cabin thing for me.

 

[JosephCPR]

Free of the Island's influence, yea that's where they were headed. Granted some of it was adjusted for storytelling purposes but sometimes you have to take that leap. Without the Island, in the life Charlie wanted, he didn't care about love or life, he was on a path of self destruction. Without the Island, Sayid would always be a fairly miserable and alone person, Jack always wanted a child, and without Juliet being on the Island she could have met Jack. Some of these conventions were done for the sake of the story, others not. Eloise Hawking even said it herself to Desmond, "You have the life you always wanted."

hmmm...I think you are right in your statements, but I think I'll need to rewatch it so that I can really understand more complex details.

 

[Memnoch]

hmmm...I think you are right in your statements, but I think I'll need to rewatch it so that I can really understand more complex details.

Then you really need to rewatch the entire series (not being condescending). Most of what the afterlife was for the characters were the things they would have done without ever coming to the Island. Remove one thing and a life can be vastly altered.

 

[Memnoch]

Now that is something I need answered. Who is Eloise?

I know she was on the island and banished/left and blahblahblah. But who was she in 2008? How did she know so much? How did she know Desmond in his time traveling? Who did she work for? How did she know when to fly the plane over the island?

That is the one biggest mystery besides the whole Jacob's cabin thing for me.

Think non-linearly. She knew a lot of what was going to happened because to her it happened already. She had Daniels diary after she shot him so she knew everything HE knew up to the moment he died. Everything that happened, happened. As to Desmond's time travel experience with her.. who knows, maybe he was half dead? I think that is something that may (or may not) be covered in the Lost companion book. Either way, in the grand scheme of Jack's story, of his life and death, she isn't important.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Now that is something I need answered. Who is Eloise?

I know she was on the island and banished/left and blahblahblah. But who was she in 2008? How did she know so much? How did she know Desmond in his time traveling? Who did she work for? How did she know when to fly the plane over the island?

That is the one biggest mystery besides the whole Jacob's cabin thing for me.

Cuse/Lindelof said at SDCC, can't remember the exact phrase, but they more-or-less said that Eloise was some sort of "Temporal Cop"....a person to ensure that certain things happened at certain times

 

[p!tu]

When did they show him with the diamonds last night? I must've missed that.

We see him in one of the episodes checking out the diamonds! he has them.

 

[Maglor]

A good and very emotional ending,still alot of questions that remains unanswered but the one thing that annoyed me the most was how Locke died,he realized he had failed to bring back the candidates and ended up getting killed by Ben without discovering the secrets of the island like the remaining characters did,Locke deserved a more heroic ending than that instead of ending up as just a total failure.Don`t know about you but when i saw Jack down there putting the Rock back in and the light came back i pictured Locke the whole time...Wouldn`t that be a perfect ending for Locke?Finally Seeing the Heart of the Island,the one thing he was desperate to find all the time,what the Island was all about.

Jack needed to be convinced that there was something special about the island so i guess he is the most interesting characters of the show after you see the ending,how long he lived in denial,how much he had changed as a person,but finally realized that the Island was his destiny and ended up in the heart of the Island...Guess that makes a better ending,but i would love to see Locke in that position too.

I think that was justified because of what Jack said about Locke to MiB (fake Locke).

About how he is nothing like the real Locke, etc.

 

[pixletwin]

We see him in one of the episodes checking out the diamonds! he has them.

I like to think he split the diamonds with the plane survivors and they all lived happily ever after.

 

[The Josh]

thank you for rewarding my belief in you LOST

Ditto to that Karma!

I understand the idea that the point of the entire series was just to bring these characters together so that they could forge a bond that would carry them through this life and into whatever lies beyond--that's a nice idea and hard to criticize (unless you are a supremely cynical person), but it does fail a bit as a resolution to the specific Island mysteries and questions of the past six years.

The Island was magic or had magic. Part of that magic was to help these people come to the realization they had to accept things and fix things. Realize without each other they wouldn't surive, realize they needed help and they had to ask for it, to let go and move on.

I disagree totally that the last show didn't answer the questions over the last six seasons. It may not have answered them all but it did a good job of letting us know what Lost was all about. I'm especially happy with Jack's story line. Its the character that I liked the most and felt like I could relate to the most. In the end the answers I wanted and the answers I got I'm happy with. I love what they did for six seasons and looking forward to watching it all over again sometime soon.

 

[GrueSam]

I would agree that there was never any real danger to allowing the Man in Black off the island, or none that I felt.

How or why do you think it's okay to allow the smoke monster "Devil" off the island?
Or are you referring to the man who existed before Smoky? Because at that time there were different rules. 'Neither can die nor leave...'

 

[pixletwin]

Jacob left the island all the time.

The problem was that Smokey was a force who, off the island, would have been unstoppable.

 

[Darthrazz]

Jacob left the island all the time.

The problem was that Smokey was a force who, off the island, would have been unstoppable.

But he became a mortal, supposedly, in order to leave. I'm guessing he lost his Smoke monster abilities, didn't he?