LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[lcummins]

So do we all agree it was a more satisfying end than say Seinfeld or The Sopranos?

I didn't watch the Sopranos, but I heard about the ending, and that wouldn't be very satisfying for me. As for Seinfield, I thought the ending was a "classic Seinfield moment" and it fit the show well. Lost's ending was great if I just concentrate on the "island moments" and put the sideways stuff somewhere in Jack's mind or something. So between the three, I'd probably say Seinfield was the most "satisfying" of the three, followed by Lost and then the Sopranos.

 

[Darth Waller]

I didn't enjoy the Seinfeld finale, but I haven't seen it since it aired. My wife and I are going through Seinfeld on DVD, so I'll see how I feel about the finale now when I get to it.

 

[dr_teng]

thats what i'm thinking. from reading the comments, the focus on jack's eye being the tie between the start of the series and the end makes it seem like everything in between happened in a blink, therefore its just like tim robbins character in jacobs ladder. maybe all of this occured in jack's mind the second he died.

There is specific dialog in the episode that refutes that point, between Jack and his father. He wasn't dead all along, they just wanted to have a great shot to end the series.

 

[Memnoch]

I personally liked all three. Seinfeld, the perennial show about nothing, started where it began. With a missing button. LOST was about a group of people who came together when they needed each other and ended that way. Sopranos ended up being about the uncertainty of what happens next and that the end can come at any time. I think you need to sum up your story the way it works best for your story and not what would be most pleasing to the audience. That's the mark of a good story teller - you end the story the way the story dictates.

 

[SwedishHeat]

The question I have now, is what was Demond's purpose?? Widmore brought him back to the island, but all he was really supposed to do is get everyone to the waiting room?? That one seems like purposeful misdirection. Widmore shot him with electromagnetism to get him to meld with the "waiting room". Did Jacob tell Widmore to do this??

 

[dr_teng]

The question I have now, is what was Demond's purpose?? Widmore brought him back to the island, but all he was really supposed to do is get everyone to the waiting room?? That one seems like purposeful misdirection. Widmore shot him with electromagnetism to get him to meld with the "waiting room". Did Jacob tell Widmore to do this??

Desmond, like a few other people on the island, was gifted with certain talents. In his case, he could withstand the EM stuff while no one else could.

His purpose on the island was to go into that light room. It just happened that most everyone involved believed different things would happen if he did.

 

[Something Sexy]

The question I have now, is what was Demond's purpose?? Widmore brought him back to the island, but all he was really supposed to do is get everyone to the waiting room?? That one seems like purposeful misdirection. Widmore shot him with electromagnetism to get him to meld with the "waiting room". Did Jacob tell Widmore to do this??

Maybe I am wrong but I didn't get that at all. I figured Widmore just knew that Desmond was the only one who could go down in the hole and uncork it because he could withstand the electromagnetism, I didn't think it had anything to do with the sideways BS.

 

[Memnoch]

Desmond had two purposes. (I'm assuming) He had to fight the concentration of EM energy at the heart of the Island AND get everyone to become aware. Which makes me think even more that before we got "real" time travel, Des may have been crossing over.

 

[CAhobbit]

Maybe I am wrong but I didn't get that at all. I figured Widmore just knew that Desmond was the only one who could go down in the hole and uncork it because he could withstand the electromagnetism, I didn't think it had anything to do with the sideways BS.

I figured Desmond was the loophole for MIB issue. He was the only one that could withstand the energy to them 'uncork' it and essentially by doing so making MIB mortal again, which in turn would mean MIB could finally be killed/destroyed.

And of course his other purpose was to bring everyone together in the 'waiting verse'.

 

[LOTRFan]

I would be more inclined to think that Widmore brought him along knowing that he could withstand the magnetism not really knowing all that would entail.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Widmore said that Jacob came to him and told him the error of his ways....so I'm assuming he only told him what he needed to know to get Desmond to the island

 

[Darth Caedus]

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[ShadowX81]

Why does it matter? The rules are made up by the person who protects the Island. Jacob's mother made the rule that neither of them could leave. Jacob merely kept Mother's rules after he took over. Jack wanted a way for MiB/Smokey/FLocke to be killed, so he made the rule he could be killed. Hurley and Ben will both run things differently. All the rules are to protect the Island.

They matter becuase they have major implications on the plot, yet seem to be completly arbitrary and have no explanation, nor logic behind them.

Jacob doesnt believe that MIB or him should ever leave the island. Yet Jacob has left several times. When did he realize that there was more land out there, and why did he decide to leave? And how did he make all these trips? Did he just ignore his duties guarding the light to take vacations? These are all important questions that remain unexplained.

 

[Memnoch]

They matter becuase they have major implications on the plot, yet seem to be completly arbitrary and have no explanation, nor logic behind them.

Jacob doesnt believe that MIB or him should ever leave the island. Yet Jacob has left several times. When did he realize that there was more land out there, and why did he decide to leave? And how did he make all these trips? Did he just ignore his duties guarding the light to take vacations? These are all important questions that remain unexplained.

They are completely unimportant in the overall context of the show. The show isn't about the Island, or Jacob, it's about this group of people who survived something insane and came together and touched each other. The Island is a MacGuffin.

 

[Giant Chicken]

Hey guys - I skimmed the past 30 pages and still didn't see anyone talk about why the Island was under water in the beginning of the season...

In the sideways world the island still existed (Ben and Dad had been on it). So why was it at the bottom of the sea?

 

[dr_teng]

Jacob doesnt believe that MIB or him should ever leave the island. Yet Jacob has left several times. When did he realize that there was more land out there, and why did he decide to leave? And how did he make all these trips? Did he just ignore his duties guarding the light to take vacations? These are all important questions that remain unexplained.

I'm sure MIB told him that the people that he was buddies with came from off the island. If not, other groups of people arrived on the island, so Jacob would've learned then.

 

[Memnoch]

Hey guys - I skimmed the past 30 pages and still didn't see anyone talk about why the Island was under water in the beginning of the season...

In the sideways world the island still existed (Ben and Dad had been on it). So why was it at the bottom of the sea?

I think it was more symbolism that they were free of the Islands influence. It was never specifically stated what happened why it would be under water.

 

[Rock83]

probably because ben and his father was home when it happened.WHY?That i can`t answer.

 

[Kuzeh]

They are completely unimportant in the overall context of the show. The show isn't about the Island, or Jacob, it's about this group of people who survived something insane and came together and touched each other. The Island is a MacGuffin.

LOST was about the characters stories...
and how to ultimately deal with duality...

In the environment of the Island...
which ended up being the "MacGauffin"... even though at times they made it a character in itself, that ended when Jacob and MIB were introduced IMO

In the end, it really doesn't matter, I personally think they did an amazing job with the series... and even though lots of things were left unanswered, I felt it was complete.

It was always Man of Faith vs. Man of Science... the duality...
let go... move on...

 

[ShadowX81]

They are completely unimportant in the overall context of the show. The show isn't about the Island, or Jacob, it's about this group of people who survived something insane and came together and touched each other. The Island is a MacGuffin.

These are all very important questions to the story. Just becuase the show may be character focused, doesn't mean that it gives the writers a blank check to not to have the plot contain any internal logic.

The creators even said that a large part of the show when they created it is having the island as a character.