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Batty said:
I guess the perimeter fence wasn't on. And he must be a really good actor! Wasn't he foaming at the mouth with blood coming out of his ears? :horror



That could be. With the original 45 or so survivors, they could be just listed as missing. Have they ever said how many people total were actually aboard the flight?


According to lostpedia.com there 324 people onboard.

https://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Flight_815


Check out this video, it synchronizes the events that caaused the crash with the actual crash itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu3SxqSrAOM
 
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Already watched the episode (appears at 9pm here in Eastern Canada)... Can everyone say purgatory?
 
I dunno about that. Lockes father strikes me as someone who will say anything to get someone all bothered.
 
Interesting Spoilers

Here's some spoilers which I felt needed to be posted in spoiler theories. This is due to the fact that I'm incapable of providing 3rd party corroboration with a reliable source, so I'll keep these here until they pan out after season 3

- We'll find out that "Ben Linus", along with Richard Alpert and Jacob, were once workers for DHARMA who also doubled as human test subjects for various DHARMA projects on the island.

- We'll see the overthrow of DHARMA scientists by the workers led by Jacob, who was the instigator of the revolution and the saviour of Ben. Unfortunately, Jacob was unable to save Ben's family which we'll see.

- We'll come to understand that the mysterious (this name is a spoiler until it is told to us in an ep) wasn't the only traveler on the expedition flight to the island (hint: a male was with her who'll wash ashore later), but is in fact a spy of the DHARMA Initiative who's come to investigate exactly what happened on the island.

- The triggers for her visit were the meltdown of the Swan Station and the loss of contact with the Flame Station. A series of "secure" codes had to be input from the Flame to give DHARMA the green light that everything was fine, and to continue the food drops the same way the numbers had to be input in the Swan. The Others (hostiles) were successful keeping up appearances with Mikhail's help until Locke destroyed it.

- Cerberus, aka "The Smoke Monster" was a DHARMA experiment in both nanotechnology and neural networking which was used to guard the perimeter of various stations intuitively, but was damaged during the purge of DHARMA controllers, It has since gone rogue and become self aware.

- The "Others" as we've come to know and love (or hate) are truly the good guys who gained their own freedom and were actively attempting to reverse the effects of experiments performed on them by DHARMA, and the effects of the island on unprotected humans until Flight 815 interrupted them.

- Ben confides in Locke that they were basically slaves to DHARMA and they must keep up the ruse that DHARMA is still in control or they will all die from a common enemy. Jacob is the head "inmate" who orchestrated the revolution, and who remains hidden in plain sight but is still the one they must answer to.

- We find out that Penelope Widmore has been a member of DHARMA all along, and the station in Antarctica is run by DHARMA. Desmond has a vision of Penelope which is frightening and reveals new, truthful memories about how they really met at the monastery

- Ben dies in the finale along with a few Others, as does Kate and Sayid. Sawyer and most of the Losties blame Jack and Juliet for Kate and Sayid's deaths due to his plan. Jack is forced to go with the surviving Others, and we see Tom by his side as he protects his new leader. From the sky we see images of the island as if from the viewpoint of a coming aircraft. It seems DHARMA has sent someone (or something) to the island and it's not nice.

Source: The Fuselage
 
Yes, another great episode!

And Josh, I'm skipping all your spoiler filled posts from now on! :lol
 
Well unless the writers are ready for a huge backlash using their own comments to hang themselves, the smoke monster ISNT nano-tech and it isn't a "they're all dead" thing either.
 
Personally, I don't believe any of that.

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One thing that makes me not believe those posts is the smoke monster. Firstly, I don't think that thing can be man-made. It does some fantastically unnatural things. Turn into people? Know your innermost thoughts? Er...whatever. And since when were nanotechs able to do THAT kinda crap to trees, and pull people underground. Remember when Eko faced that thing down and there was the lightning and the crazy images in the smoke? Man-made? Bull crap.

P.S. Neural networking? Meh.
 
Thought tonight's episode was great. New locke's daddy was going to get it. Finially concluded that it was locke's daddy that conned Sawyer's family. Saw that coming, but it was good for a conclusion. Next week's episode looks great. I saw a couple of "jacob" flashes in the preview. Wonder what is going to happen with jack. I hope the losties beat some sense into him.
 
What does Jack know that he is not telling Kate??? After watching tonight I am feeling stronger and stronger that Jack's time on the show is... limited.

I am in heaven right now with all the great t.v.... Lost, Sopranos, Entourage, and The Office are all great!!!! (24 used to be.)

Can't wait for next week.
 
WOW! I love Lost! No show has ever kept me guessing. I mean I too say the Sawyer Lockes dad thing but WHAT THE CRAP IS GOING ON WITH THE ISLAND? Why did Locke's dad know what was going on. What the hell is Ben's Deal. BTW if you TiVo'd it watch the trailer for next week. You see kids and then when Locke looks in the door that Ben Shows him everything glows bright white.!!!
 
A lot of those "spoilers" don't ring true and seem like speculation and/or fan fiction. I personally heard with my own ears at SDCC the producers say that the smoke monster is NOT nanotechnology. And the "Lost Experience" videos this summer established that the food drops were set up to occur in perpetuity and did not need continued contact or input from the island. So getting those things wrong makes me doubt some of their other claims. And the details of their "spoiler" version of the end of the season finale don't seem to match what the producers have been talking about as the season ending climax/cliffhanger. A cliffhanger is by its nature unresolved and this spoiler seems to give us way too much resolution after the big battle. There will be deaths in the finale that change things on the show, but we won't get into the responses and resolutions and new directions until season four picks up after the big showdown on the beach. Expect to be left hanging until 2008, not have so much closure and resolution: the survivors casting blame on Jack, Jack's banishment, Jack's promotion to new leader of the Others, etc. That's too much follow up and resolution to expect at the end of a cliffhanger episode where the big battle is supposed to climax the season and leave us hanging all summer and fall.

But I guess we'll have to wait and see...



I think that Jack and Juliet have a scheme to turn Ben's plans against him and save the women. However, nobody is going to trust them. They are already suspicious of Jack, and with the tape recording about to surface, Juliet won't be trusted either. (Ben possibly leaked the tape intentionally because he sees through Juliet's motives and wanted her exposed as a mole to turn the 815ers against her.) So whatever plan they might have up their sleeves to turn the tables on the Others, it won't work because of all the suspicion and mistrust--and when the raid/attack happens, everybody will be divided and things will be perfectly set up for the Others to come in and cause some major trouble.

And I'm starting to think that Jack will be OK. I think that he and Juliet will survive and the casualties will come from those who don't trust them and won't buy into their counterstrike plan--like Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, etc. It will be ironic that Jack's secrecy and plotting in an attempt to help his friends will result in some of their deaths. (Sawyer's storyline/character arc in particular seems to be strangely complete at this point. It would be interesting to see him dead and Kate, having chosen him over Jack, now alone and pregnant. He is the Han Solo character and they won't make the mistake of letting him grow into a bland and boring hero like Han in ROTJ--much more interesting for him to take a bullet for Kate in the season finale and sacrifice himself like Harrison Ford wanted to have happen with Han. A show like this needs good drama and tension, and Kate and Sawyer as a cute happy couple won't last long. It's somewhere in the TV series writer's rulebook.)

I am anxiously awaiting the finale.
 
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Damn you and your theories Tom :emperor

Well, even with Tom already putting the idea of Locke's dad as the real 'Sawyer', it was still one of my favorite episodes ever. I love discussing this show but I'm out until the end of the season. I don't need to see any more spoilers or potential spoilers.
 
tomandshell said:
It would be interesting to see him dead and Kate, having chosen him over Jack, now alone and pregnant.

Kate didn't really choose Sawyer over Jack. She only chose to go back to Sawyer after she realized Jack chose Juliet over her.
 
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I think it's going to turn out that they all took the red pill instead of the blue pill!
 
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