LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[LOTRFan]

I wonder if Locke would actually leave the island. He's the one person who wants to stay. Then again, so does Ben.

Perhaps there isn't a choice?!

 

[Batty]

Could be. Ben did say to Jack that if they contacted the boat, everyone on the island would be killed.

I don't think we're going to get any easy answers. We haven't for the first 3 seasons!

 

[Darklord Dave]

Have to agree - best LOST ever! But why couldn't Charlie just run out and lock the door from the other side?

At the funeral I thought that it might be a flash forward, but wasn't sure. However I WAS sure it was Kate he was meeting.

I hope Naomi isn't dead - I really like that actress. Notice the new Chief of Surgery was also a Vegas alumni?

And how many 815ers got off the island? Weren't the fake rescuers supposed to kill everyone? If they didn't, why does Jack regret leaving?

And they apparently wanted to make it obvious that the funeral parlor was in a black neighborhood, but that doesn't really fit for any of the characters as we know them.

I haven't really been looking forward to this show all season, but now I'm anxious for the new season.

 

[automaton]

Charlie didn't attempt to save himself because he believed that the only way to get Claire off the island was to sacrifice himself.

 

[CAhobbit]

I LOVED the way this season finally wrapped, but I have to admit, Charlie's death was a real tearjerker; but not necessary.

My wife and I both were frustrated that he didn't just close the door and go out himself?!

The casket: it has to be someone who wouldn't have family, and it can't be Kate -

1) Ben

2) Locke

I think those are the only two choices, and my guess is Locke - Jack gave a look like, you were right.

I'm not convinced the coffin has Locke in it. Locke hasn't been making a lot of friends on the island. He wasn't really making many friends before the island either. So to have no one show up at Locke's funeral makes sense and seems to be too easy if he is the one in the coffin. My thought is that it has to be a character that was very well loved/liked but did something really bad to have everyone turn against them (possibly after they were rescued).

I also doubt Jack's father is still alive. Jack has had major daddy issues and the little blue pills he's hopped up on cause him to say the things he says.

Charlie's death was quite sad (I agree, that he could have been saved but oh well). It was one of the longest, drawn out 'death' on the show though so it was a bit anti-climatic. He did go out well.

And why can't Mikale die? He's a freaking machine (with a missing eye).

I wonder if there will be some mess with the timeline at some point (given the state of the 'future'). Some kind of wacky, sci-fi thing is in store methinks. Hmmmm.

I can't wait till season 4!!!

 

[Batty]

I think the timeline can always be changed. Desmond's proven that.

The only reason I think Jack's father may be alive is because his body was missing from its casket in the first season.

And Walt was actually Jacob, right?

 

[LOTRFan]

Have to agree - best LOST ever! But why couldn't Charlie just run out and lock the door from the other side?

At the funeral I thought that it might be a flash forward, but wasn't sure. However I WAS sure it was Kate he was meeting.

Agree about Charlie, that took a bit of the sting out of his death.

Aside from reading Josh's post (d'oh!), the cell phone Jack was using gave away the time period.

 

[CAhobbit]

I think the timeline can always be changed. Desmond's proven that.

The only reason I think Jack's father may be alive is because his body was missing from its casket in the first season.

And Walt was actually Jacob, right?

But Jack was at the morgue (in a previous episode) and identified his dead father's body? So is the theory that the dead can even be brought back to life on the island??? Hmmmm, possible but only those brought to the island dead could be brought back (or else we'd have Boone, Shannon, Eko, etc....all walking around by now).

The thought is that Jacob was taking the form of Walt (since there was all the spooky whispers before 'Walt' appeared.

 

[automaton]

Jack's father is not alive... Jack was implying that the hospital had tolerated his abusive drinking for years...

 

[Batty]

But Jack was at the morgue (in a previous episode) and identified his dead father's body? So is the theory that the dead can even be brought back to life on the island??? Hmmmm, possible but only those brought to the island dead could be brought back (or else we'd have Boone, Shannon, Eko, etc....all walking around by now).

Right. I forgot about that. Maybe we'll get an island of zombies!

I just went back and read Josh's spoiler post for the finale. I'm glad I skipped it the first time around!

 

[tomandshell]

Charlie didn't attempt to save himself because he believed that the only way to get Claire off the island was to sacrifice himself.

I think I agree. I think he felt that he needed to fulfill Desmond's vision in order for Claire to get rescued, so he intentionally drowned in order to save her. His initial reaction upon seeing the grenade was to shut the door to keep Desmond away from the blast. Afterwards, he could easily have opened the door and they could have returned to the surface (with the aid of oxygen tanks) long before the entire moon pool room was totally flooded. We know that he could have survived if he had wanted to.

He went down there believing that he was going to die, and that his death would result in the rescue of the two people he loved the most. After spending enough time with Desmond's flashes, he was convinced that it was time to stop cheating death and face his destiny, going out like a hero and guaranteeing Claire a trip off the island. He did what he did because he believed that it would inevitably result in rescue for her, whereas his survival would somehow change that course of events.


And when Jack (high as a kite) made the reference to his father being upstairs, the other doctor shook his head as if to say, "You are a pathetic mess--you're so drunk and drugged that you can't even remember that your father is dead." And Jack says, "Don't pity me..." And he sure left the pharmacy pretty quickly when he thought the lady was going to try to call his deceased father. They wrote it all very carefully to make us think his dad was alive at the time of the "flashback"--but when the true timeline was revealed, we would be able to make sense of those comments in their proper context.

And I'm glad that I avoided the spoilers, if only just for the surprise of seeing Walt!

Hurley driving the van through overgrown roadless jungle mountains straight onto the beach like that was a little much, but I forgive them because the rest of the show was so great.

And I'm also very glad that Richard went to the temple. We need to see more of him next year.

Now we just have to hope that Desmond can get to Jack and the others with a warning before Naomi's friends show up--but if they do attempt to fly in, will they crash like just about every other aircraft that approaches the island?

 

[LOTRFan]

I just went back and read Josh's spoiler post for the finale. I'm glad I skipped it the first time around!

 

[Batty]

You live and learn.

Tom, what you said about Charlie makes perfect sense, but it doesn't make it any easier.

 

[The ill Jedi]

I'm speachless. One of the greatest episodes of any TV show I've ever seen.

I agree 100%, this episode rocked.

Although Charlie was never a favorite of mine, I was sad to see him go.

Glad to see Locke made it through the gunshot and Walt's appearance was a bit of a shock (even though I think it was Jacob).

Not really sure what to make of the Flash Forward. The wait 'til Season 4 is going to suck.

LOST RULES!!! 'nuff Said!!

 

[gdb]

There was a spoiler post?! See, that is exactly why I started avoiding this thread like the plague during the season. Once people started talking about the "Next-time-on-Lost teasers I turned away just like I do when the Bad Robot screen comes up. (There are two things I avoid like poison: gluten and spoilers.)

I agree with Tom's post. It annoyed me a bit that Charlie seemed to choose to die for no reason, but it makes sense, esp. in the moment. And the van was one of those audience pleasing moments that every good filmmaker knows to avoid but sometimes you gotta just go for it because people cheer despite themselves.

No one does season finales like Lost!

 

[Lookin4Precious]

There was a spoiler post?! See, that is exactly why I started avoiding this thread like the plague during the season. Once people started talking about the "Next-time-on-Lost teasers I turned away just like I do when the Bad Robot screen comes up. (There are two things I avoid like poison: gluten and spoilers.)

I agree with Tom's post. It annoyed me a bit that Charlie seemed to choose to die for no reason, but it makes sense, esp. in the moment. And the van was one of those audience pleasing moments that every good filmmaker knows to avoid but sometimes you gotta just go for it because people cheer despite themselves.

No one does season finales like Lost!

Well i sure as hell cheered! This was a fantastic finale. Mind blowingly good. I too figured out that it was a flash forward right at the beginning. I've learned how to watch Lost by this point and there were too many clues or strangities that led me to look for something that wasn't exactly there... by the time the KRZR made it onto the screen, i was positive. Still, that final scene was just as great and shocking even though I was expecting to see Kate exit the car. This show is simply the best.

One thing i missed... i recall reading somewhere that Claire and Jack learn they are related in the finale... guess that will have to wait for next year.

Also, something that has not been mentioned here. There are high res screen caps out there of the newspaper clipping and the name contains a "J". Most posts i've read regarding this claim that the name BEGINS with a "J". So we have John Locke, James Ford and Jacob. (Benjamin if indeed the name does NOT start with a "J"). I too think at this point, Ben makes the most sense given the size of his coffin, lack of mourners and Jack and Kates reaction to his death. However, we have a while to go before the end... and things and people could really change. How interesting if it ends up being Sawyer. He would NOT be the one Kate is with and he would have obviously suffered some drastic changes with his relationships on the island..... Good news is, we'll find out by 2010!!!

 

[Ironman1188]

There were lots of hints towards the Flash Forward.
- in the beginning of the episode, before he wanted to jump, Jack called Kate on the phone, he called her by name
- the new head of surgery said to Jack that he was a hero twice over now
- the refernce to pulling people from burning wreckage, where Jack replied "old" habits die hard

And as for the funeral, Jack was asked if he was friend or family. This negates it being Michael [who I would have considered being someone that nobody would go to the funeral of] and leans toward only three people that I can really narrow it down to. Ben, Locke or.....Jack's father.

Kate said "he'll" miss her. At first I assumed that she and Sawyer were together and that Sawyer was the "he". However, if she was pregnant on the island, it could be her son that would miss her.

Sawyer, who had only killed by mistake the wrong man before taking that tragic flight now seems to find it easier to end someone's life.

How did Hurley trek the beach on the way to the radio tower with the whole clan, then trek after Sawyer and Juliet, then trek to where the VW was AND arrive just in the nick of time?

Why wasn't the code to turn of the jamming device 4-8-15-16-23-42?

Whatever happened to the significance of those numbers turning up everywhere?

How many other hidden "hints" have been missed? The funeral parlor spelling "Flash Forward", a week or so ago one of the businesses spelt "Amelia Earhart".....

I love how this just keeps everyone's mind going, but I certainly hope that they are able to answer ALL the questions that they have caused to be raised.

 

[DarthNeil]

I guessed the twist once I saw that Jack was sitting on an Oceanic flight with his crazy bomber beard--- however his line about "getting his father down here" threw me--- I agree with an earlier post that it was just his delusional mind and that his father is long since dead...

A great way to both finish the season and to freshen up what had become a slightly stale premise/story--- the final eight episodes or so were golden,.

Some definite shout outs to NBC's HEROES .

It was Locke's casket------ or Ben's------ But whoever it was (more likely Ben's) it was someone who no one liked but who spoke the truth about the island and the negative impact of contacting folks on Naomi's sat. phone.

Charlie's dead----------- or will there be a way to bring the character back?

Good stuff.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Great episode. Loved how Jack was called moses, then in the future, he had his moses beard Poor Tom, I liked him, but he sure didn't end up nice in the end We all knew that Charlie was going to eat it, but at least he went out like a hero. And is Mikhail like freaking Rambo or what, jeez, someone finally kill him. Since the funeral scene was in a black neighborhood, I'm thinking it was Michael. Uhhhh, 2008 is SO far away.

 

[gideon]

Truly great TV .... fantastic episode that gets me right back on the LOST bandwagon. I loved the first season but felt the second season with the Others was a real letdown. I guess many viewers did also as the audience dropped quite a bit. But about halfway through this season they started to get the magic back and the last few episodes have been very good. Then we get the finale last night which was off the charts.

I make it a rule to stay away from spoilers and I love being suprised. Even at that I did pick up the rumors of three deaths - Charlie , Sayed, and Kate and was very pleased at how they handled all that. The idea that that was not a flashback but a flashforward hooked me completely. When Kate emerged from the darkness at the airport I nearly jumped out of my chair. Cool.

Last summer I did not really care about the show coming back but now I am pumped. We wait eight or nine months for 16 episodes ........ if they are as good as the last few it will be worth it.