LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[wookilar8]

Also, something that has not been mentioned here. There are high res screen caps out there of the newspaper clipping and the name contains a "J". Most posts i've read regarding this claim that the name BEGINS with a "J". So we have John Locke, James Ford and Jacob. (Benjamin if indeed the name does NOT start with a "J").

Ok I think the dead person is Juliette. If you remember Jack first calls someone and says "Hey, it's me, I just read...". That person he calls can only be Kate with that greeting and he hangs up when he realizes he can't talk to Kate about Juliette. The reason nobody attends the viewing is because Juliette has no family left. Ben lied about her sister having a kid and living happily in Miami. How did Ben show Juliette her sister via satellite if he was jamming all signals off the island? As for where and why there was only a viewing is because Juliette was probably donating her services in the area and happened to die there. The only other people willing to pay their respects would have been Sun and Jinn but they live in South Korea.

 

[GrueSam]

A friend of mine told me a theory that the underwater hatch, "The Looking Glass" is a time/space portal - and the actual way that the Others travel between the island and mainland.

(Last week's epi also had white rabbits in it, and when lil' Ben saw his mother, she was dressed a bit like Alice in Wonderland...)

That's why they needed to drug Juliette before she got on the sub, explaining that "some people just don't handle the trip well." They used the sub to get from the hatch to the sub's island dock.

Ben telling the others that the hatch/portal was destroyed allowed him to keep them all with him on the island.

Now with Charlie effectively sealing off the rest of the hatch, is it conceivable that the portal is still functional?



And although I completely agree that Charlie sacrificed himself to fulfill Desmond's vision of Claire being saved and knew it was coming...

I was still shocked and am still sad!

 

[DarthNeil]

I like the idea that it was Juliette in the casket--- but I still say that Ben is more plausible.

"Friends or family?"

"Neither"

 

[Darthrazz]

I like the idea that it was Juliette in the casket--- but I still say that Ben is more plausible.

"Friends or family?"

"Neither"

It can't be Juliette, the paper says "Man Found Dead"


From the screen cap it looks like it was a suicide or a hanging???. The Words that can be made out are " The body of Jo----- antham of New York was---shortly after 4 am in the back of Grand Avenue-----"doorman at the Towers"---"loud" -------"loft"---"noises"----"discovered" "from a beam in the---


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[Darth Caedus]

I was thinking about if naomi's boat isn't penny's boat, then whose boat is it? I was also thinking of how she would have a picture of desmond.

I think the answer is Penny's father. We know that he is all rich and powerful and such. He and his corporation are involved with something to do with the island. He found out desmond crashed there and sent naomi to find him. Naomi works for penny's father and was sent there to find desmond and (like ben said) kill everybody on the island and take it for himself/his company, etc. The reason why they would need to send somebody to the island is that ben is blocking all channels and locators to the island from the looking glass. penny's father and the other people like him are the real bad guys, like ben said.

I don't know, tired, going on 40 hours of no sleep, it made sense in my head. anybody agree?

 

[LOTRFan]

Time travel portal ..... ooooh, I like it!

Thanks for the high res pic, that seems to rule out just about everyone that we have mentioned, unless someone's real last name isn't known yet?

 

[Calle_Sandell]

Great episode!!!

I hope not that the Looking glass is a time portal thingee.. I would like that everything in the serie had a plausible explanation! Even the smoke monster thing can have a fairly plausible explanation...

But time traveling?! I don't thinks so! It's all about the curve of the universe who makes it impossible!

I don't think walter came back to the island, I think it was the smoke monster...

All we can do is wait, and see how it all turnes out in the end

Can't wait until next season

 

[Memnoch]

Give me a plausible reason for the 4 toed statue or what went on in Jacob's hut and Ill believe there is a plausible answer for the smoke monster and that time travel is impossible on Lost as well, even though the producers already hinted that someone we met was a time traveler. Lost is all about the supernatural and the weird.

 

[Darthrazz]

Just a thought... the woman that crashed with her son and Jack saved...wasn't her name Rachel???? Juliette's sister's name was Rachel. That was Juliette' sister and her son!

 

[Darklord Dave]

Just a thought... the woman that crashed with her son and Jack saved...wasn't her name Rachel???? Juliette's sister's name was Rachel. That was Juliette' sister and her son!

Excellent catch! Since everything is connected on this show, it only makes sense.

 

[Calle_Sandell]

I'd settle with a "experiment gone wrong", and maby some sience talk..

But with time travelling it would just be too much of the impossible!! take Jurassic Park for example, the way they make dinosours live again is impossible, but it sound good and plausible.

thats what i want! I don't think they can explain how time travelling is possible in a way that sound fairly realistic...

 

[Entropy]

I think I agree. I think he felt that he needed to fulfill Desmond's vision in order for Claire to get rescued, so he intentionally drowned in order to save her.

I agree. Charlie chose to die.

I bet that Charles Widmore and Thomas Mittlewerk, President of the Hanso Group and member of the Widmore board, are the villians behind the Dharma Iniative and Naomi's ship. I wonder if Naomi's rescue ship is the same special quarantined medical ship Helgus Antonius that Sun's father built for Mittelwerk, all part of the mysterious "Spider Protocol".

So it's a male in the coffin starting with the leter J (John, Jacob or James?). They are from NY but died in LA. The only ones I know from NYC are Rose and Bernard. It was someone Jack and Kate both knew (and presumably the rest of th 815ers). No one showed for the viewing so they were not liked in death - even to Jack they were not a friend so that fits for Ben or Jacob or John, but would Jack really be surprised that no one showed for any of those people? They were in a black neighborhood, but Rose or Michael or Walt don't fit either. It could simply be someone we haven't met yet.

And I don't know why people think Walt was Jacob?? We know the smoke monster can shape shift/create illusions, we have no reason to believe Jacob can do the same. Perhaps Jacob sent Smokey to Locke like a pet or a security system, but I'm not sure that they are one in the same.

 

[Darth Caedus]

thats what i want! I don't think they can explain how time travelling is possible in a way that sound fairly realistic...

watch SPHERE https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120184/

 

[CAhobbit]

watch SPHERE https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120184/

Oh no no no...READ "Sphere". The movie was so so bad but the book was pretty good.

 

[Entropy]

Just a thought... the woman that crashed with her son and Jack saved...wasn't her name Rachel???? Juliette's sister's name was Rachel. That was Juliette' sister and her son!

Sounds good to me. Alvar Hanso's daughter, the hacker Persphone, is also named Rachel. Also, Rachel Brennan is mentioned as the mother of Tom Brennan's child Connor in the episode "Born to Run". Kate comments when looking at the photos on Tom's refrigerator that his child is "beautiful". Tom replies that "that's from Rachel".

 

[Entropy]

I was thinking about if naomi's boat isn't penny's boat, then whose boat is it? I was also thinking of how she would have a picture of desmond.

We know that the Hanso Group funded Dharma and the Widmore company and Hanso group work together - Mittelwerk is in both companies. It seems to follow then that Widmore the man behind The Hanso Group & Dharma is looking for the island, sending the specailly constructed medical ship Helgus Antonius loaded with quarantined areas presumably from Sri Lanka virus tests along the same shipping route the Black Rock went on before it crashed onto the island. I wouldn't be surprised if Naomi's ship was the Antonius. Now what is the goal of the Spider Protocol and why do they need a virus that has exactly a 30% fatality rate... How does this tie into an island of immortals, 4 toed statues, an imprisoned superpowerful ghost leader and time traveling??

 

[Darthrazz]

I can't wait for Naomi's people to land. "So where's Naomi"? "Ummm...over there with a knife in her back!"

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

EXCELLENT finale, although Charlie's death pissed me and my wife off considerably. It just didn't make sense. The only reason I don't buy the "Charlie knew he had to die, so he sacrificed himself" excuse is because 2 seconds earlier he was ready to walk right outta there and live. He even said "so much for fate" as he was walking away from the control room. What happened between then and the incoming transmission/grenade that made him do a total 180? That was just lame. They should have made the metal door shut automatically when he entered the code or something, like a safety measure (kinda like what happened in the island hatch when the code went un-entered). That would have been a more appropriate way of killing him off in my opinion. The fact that such a likable character died needlessly really ticks me off. AND, if we come to find out that he only sacrificed himself so his pals could unknowingly contact MORE BAD GUYS, that makes it even worse.

Other than that, I loved the episode. Best 2 hours of TV I've watched in ages.


p.s. I'm with IM--- I thought the 'code' would have been "the" numbers.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Oh no no no...READ "Sphere". The movie was so so bad but the book was pretty good.

Ive read it and watched it. I will agree, the movie blew, but the book was awesome.

EXCELLENT finale, although Charlie's death pissed me and my wife off considerably. It just didn't make sense. The only reason I don't buy the "Charlie knew he had to die, so he sacrificed himself" excuse is because 2 seconds earlier he was ready to walk right outta there and live. He even said "so much for fate" as he was walking away from the control room. What happened between then and the incoming transmission/grenade that made him do a total 180? That was just lame. They should have made the metal door shut automatically when he entered the code or something, like a safety measure (kinda like what happened in the island hatch when the code went un-entered). That would have been a more appropriate way of killing him off in my opinion. The fact that such a likable character died needlessly really ticks me off. AND, if we come to find out that he only sacrificed himself so his pals could unknowingly contact MORE BAD GUYS, that makes it even worse.

Well, I suppose Charlie thought he had beat fate and was happy about it. But then when he realized that he hadn't beaten it, he just hasn't faced it yet, he knew what he had to do and just accepted it. Yea, but if the door closed on itself and not by Charlie's will, he didn't sacrifice himself, he was just killed. Him closing the door and locking himself in, just showed his sacrifice. I think that he should have just swam out the hole Mihkil blew in the station and race for the top. PLUS, when he didn't bring the scuba gear into the room where the flashing yellow light was, I knew it was over. I was actually thinking that he should put the stuff on before he pressed the button, but alas, he didn't.

 

[CAhobbit]

EXCELLENT finale, although Charlie's death pissed me and my wife off considerably. It just didn't make sense. The only reason I don't buy the "Charlie knew he had to die, so he sacrificed himself" excuse is because 2 seconds earlier he was ready to walk right outta there and live. He even said "so much for fate" as he was walking away from the control room. What happened between then and the incoming transmission/grenade that made him do a total 180? That was just lame. They should have made the metal door shut automatically when he entered the code or something, like a safety measure (kinda like what happened in the island hatch when the code went un-entered). That would have been a more appropriate way of killing him off in my opinion. The fact that such a likable character died needlessly really ticks me off. AND, if we come to find out that he only sacrificed himself so his pals could unknowingly contact MORE BAD GUYS, that makes it even worse.

Other than that, I loved the episode. Best 2 hours of TV I've watched in ages.


p.s. I'm with IM--- I thought the 'code' would have been "the" numbers.

Well, once Charlie was resigned that he had 'beaten' fate there wasn't a crazy, one eyed super dude outside the station with a grenade. I think at that moment and also seeing/hearing Penny made him finally realize that he he hadn't beaten that darn fate after all. Yes, there were ways to still save the character but his arc had really come to an end last night and he went out in the right way. Better to leave us upset and angry after a character's death then keeping us annoyed and frustrated at a living character. At least that's my thought on it.