LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Entropy]

Well... Still edited 2 minutes before you.

 

[tomandshell]

OK, I missed the part about Lost moving to 10 PM.

 

[Agent23]

Not a bad idea, if they go this route.

I do wish they kept it at 9PM thou...

 

[YoNoSe]

Not a bad idea, if they go this route.

I do wish they kept it at 9PM thou...

Amen to that. But I'll take whtever Lost I can get. I'm just relieved to not have to wait another year for more new episodes.

 

[Agent23]

Yupp, I agree with you. I just wish 24 wasn't that far off.

 

[Agent23]

So, Jack, Kate, Hurley we know of getting off the island. Who will be the 4th of the 6?

My guess is Sayid....

 

[Agent23]

AWESOME episode tonight. The ending was great.

 

[Natrix]

AWESOME episode tonight. The ending was great.

Agreed! I thought that was who's voice it was but I was surprised that they revealed it right away.

 

[Entropy]

Another great episode... even more questions.

I was truly surprised to see Ben. They got me with that one. The evil guy at the top of "the list" has to be Charles Widmore. And the bracelets? hmmm...

Finally they start addressing the lost time stuff. Giving answers that aren't clear, 31 minutes lost....

 

[UTtoyfan]

Great ending and great episode!! I can't wait till next Thursday.

 

[Darth Loki]

Agreed! I thought that was who's voice it was but I was surprised that they revealed it right away.

Exactly the same way I feel.

Another great episode. This show never fails to come through.

 

[Darthrazz]

AWESOME episode tonight. The ending was great.

This show just gets better!

 

[Agent0028]

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Agent23]

Best part is, were gonna wind up getting 13 episodes. Wish it was the originally planned 16. But, we have 10 more to look forward to.

 

[Entropy]

But what's sad is that we were going to get 17 hrs, now only 13 and that extra hour as part of the finale will probably never be made up.

At least they're going to make up most of it and add 3 episodes to seasons 5/6.

EDIT: I guess that isn't certain. They can always make episode 13 a 2 hr finale right? One can hope...

 

[Agent0028]

Personally I think a little bit of filler can be sacrificed and still cover the important stuff in less time, sometimes the show moves really slowly.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Exactly the same way I feel.

Another great episode. This show never fails to come through.

Hell yea

Read this earlier

Ok, so, we know from some spoilers that Ben has a spy on the freighter and that his spy is michael. We also know that the people on the freighter have come to kill Ben. Now, assuming that Ben knew these people were nearby and looking to kill him and are a threat to his leadership, this is how i understand what happened in the 2 previous seasons.

Ben got captured by the losties on purpose

He got captured so he could convince Locke that the button is meaningless causing him to lose faith and cause the electromagnetic anomaly to go crazy

He then has Bonnie and Gretel begin jamming his own people's (the others) transmissions off the island and tells mikhail that the anomaly has destroyed their ability to communicate with the outside world

That keeps Mikhail from being able to learn about the freighter

He then gets rescued by michael promising him rescue, he sends michael out into the ocean following a certain compass bearing saying he will find rescue, but he infact finds the freighter and uses michael as a spy on the freighter for him.

Observations

• SO, Sayid is working for Ben to assassinate the "evil" people on his list. So "the others" had a list of good and bad; Ben was the leader of "the others and Sayid has to kill to save his friends.
• WTF was the ash or chalk around the outskirts of Jacob's house?
• Seems that time moves slower on the island then outside (with the watch on the payload)
• Seems Hurley is becoming more and more important than ever before: with seeing jacob's cabin, to just being a more utilized character

SO Conclusions:

• Something happens on the island where the people that got off had to make a deal to protect their friends on the island (or where else they are being held)
• Ben expanded his "list" to people on the island to people on the rest of the world
• The people on the "boat" must somehow die and Ben/Oceanic 6 must get off the island and continue Ben's "project"
• Various abnormalities in gravity can cause time dilations, which can cause the disparities in the times between the freighter and the island
• Ben could use all the hidden passports and cash in the secret room to hide outside off the island
• Seems to me that Sayid might now be in the coffin. Jack realizes that Sayid was his link back to the island and that he needs sayid to find ben to get back to the island; but he realizes this too late. the reason jack wants to go back is to save his sister and nephew [claire and aaron] from the island after learning who claire's father was

Sure I'm missing a lot, but it's late and I'm tired, here's one last pearl of wisdom. Ben's spy on the freighter.......




















































Michael

 

[tomandshell]

I loved last night's episode. In previous seasons, the flashbacks were interesting and revealing, giving us bits of background and history for the featured characters, which often offered insight into their on-island actions and behavior. Now, the flash forwards continue to do much of the same, but are directly tied to the plot in a way that we didn't see with the flashbacks. There is much more mystery involved because they are now being used to actually further and expand the main plot threads of the show, and I am finding myself much more interested in them than the flashbacks. They are adding a lot more of the mystery and puzzle-piece-conspiracy-theorizing of previous seasons, but off the island. Everything feels much more integrated and focused now.

Here are some comments on the strike fallout from producer Carlton Cuse:

Welcome back!
Carlton Cuse: It's good to be back. It'll be even better tomorrow when the writers all start rolling in and we start getting to work... pending the vote, of course.

What came out of your meeting with ABC today?
Cuse: Damon [Lindelof] and I are going to try to make five more episodes before the end of May, which is ambitious. But we've found ourselves in a situation where we had eight episodes of story planned, and we're going to try to fit that into five hours of the show. Even though it's going to be very hard to execute, we felt like any less would be doing a disservice to the story we had planned. We really want to give the fans the best possible experience and ending... to Season 4.

Any chance that the first of the five episodes will air the week after that last pre-strike episode — thus eliminating any scheduling gap?
Cuse: No, there's probably going to be four weeks between the airing of the first batch of episodes and our new episodes.

What will happen to the three "lost" episodes? Will they roll over into next season's 16, or will they vanish forever?
Cuse: Damon and I remain committed to producing the 40 additional hours of the show that we promised. We haven't figured out exactly when we'll put those other three on, but we're not eliminating them from the show. You will get those three episodes downstream.

I know it's early, but have you decided what will have to get cut from this season's arc in order to accelerate things? Are we going to lose some flashbacks and/or flash-forwards?
Cuse: All those conversations will take place tomorrow when we actually start talking about story.

Is it possible that some guest actors you were planning to use before the strike may no longer be available now? Like, for example, Andrea Roth?
Cuse: Yeah, there are a lot of issues that have to get sorted out. We're also in the middle of pilot season.... We're kind of figuring out what has happened to all of our actors who have gone on to do other things. Literally, there are cobwebs on the couches in the writers' room. Call me in a couple of days and I should have more answers for you.

OK, last question: Have you come up with a code word for this season's top-secret cliff-hanger?
Cuse: [Laughs] Not yet. That's a very good point. We'll have to get on that. If you have any ideas, Mike, let us know.

 

[Natrix]

I loved last night's episode. In previous seasons, the flashbacks were interesting and revealing, giving us bits of background and history for the featured characters, which often offered insight into their on-island actions and behavior. Now, the flash forwards continue to do much of the same, but are directly tied to the plot in a way that we didn't see with the flashbacks. There is much more mystery involved because they are now being used to actually further and expand the main plot threads of the show, and I am finding myself much more interested in them than the flashbacks. They are adding a lot more of the mystery and puzzle-piece-conspiracy-theorizing of previous seasons, but off the island. Everything feels much more integrated and focused now.

I couldn't agree more. The flash forwards are much more interesting with the characters that are established and flash backs are interesting for the new characters to establish their characters and motivations.

The first part of season three really started to lose my interest but the second half of that season and the way it ended regained my interest. This season has increased my interest level to an even higher degree. The hour flies by like nothing and I can't wait for the next episode....it is like crack!

 

[tomandshell]

From an interview with the producers, regarding the relevance and canonicity of additional material like the mobisodes and "Find 815" online game:

Is one of these groups ''The Maxwell Group,'' a mysterious outfit introduced via the ''Find 815'' alternate reality game?

LINDELOF: We cannot say that any of that stuff in ''Find 815'' is in canon. The Maxwell Group is something that Hoodlum came up with. Last fall, we presented them with the idea that, at the beginning of the second episode, a salvage ship was going to find wreckage of Oceanic 815. From there, they came up with a story — and backstory — that led up to that event. [Some background: prior to the strike, the producers and ABC's marketing team hired a company in Australia called Hoodlum to execute ''Find 815.'']

CUSE: We provided the creative framework but didn't oversee the execution.

LINDELOF: I'll sign off on this idea: the Christiane 1, which in the show was responsible for finding Oceanic 815, was in fact looking for the Black Rock. We established that in the show — but the people who owned the ship may have been up to a little bit more than just looking for the Black Rock.

So what's official and what's not? What's ''canon?''

CUSE: The mobisodes are in canon. The Orchid video is in canon. The videogame is not in canon. It's unfair for the audience to go to ancillary sources in order to really understand the show. Even the things like the mobisodes, which are in canon, aren't essential to your understanding of the show. These things are just added bonuses.

LINDELOF: The only true canon is the show itself.