LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Darklord Dave]

Maybe the very last episode will be a Richard Alpert flashback/forward and it will explain EVERYTHING.

 

[Nazgurl]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but does anyone remember in Season 1 (os was it 2?) when they did a flashback on Claire, while she was still in Australia and pregnant, which focused on the nervousness of many people about the child she was carrying? I've always wondered what became of that storyline - after all, the child was born on the island, somehow ends up with Cate, etc. Just what "powers" or destiny is the child supposed to have>

 

[Shropt]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but does anyone remember in Season 1 (os was it 2?) when they did a flashback on Claire, while she was still in Australia and pregnant, which focused on the nervousness of many people about the child she was carrying? I've always wondered what became of that storyline - after all, the child was born on the island, somehow ends up with Cate, etc. Just what "powers" or destiny is the child supposed to have>

I believe this was referenced 2 or 3 episodes ago when Hurley told future-Jack "You're not supposed to raise him". I think the island was telling Jack not to get near that kid.

 

[tomandshell]

The psychic said something about a couple in Los Angeles that were going to adopt and raise the child. Could that have been a psychic prediction about Kate and Jack? At first he was trying to convince Claire not to let this happen but then he changed his tune.

 

[Buttmunch]

The psychic said something about a couple in Los Angeles that were going to adopt and raise the child. Could that have been a psychic prediction about Kate and Jack? At first he was trying to convince Claire not to let this happen but then he changed his tune.

Oooo! Good theory!

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

I try so hard not to think too much or try to connect the dots with this show, because I feel the likelihood of getting screwed in the end is just too high. I love the show to death, but the producers have glossed over so many things in the past (which were implied to be important at one time or another)... And I get the impression they like to toy with the audience way too much, constantly saturating the show with figurative decoys, patsies and macguffins. I feel like any effort to explain the mythos (beyond what they've literally spelled out for us) is futile, as it could all change by next week if the producers feel like being 'cute'.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this show... I just wish I trusted the producers enough to get involved with all this theorizing. Speculation just isn't fun when it's this pointless!

 

[Shropt]

One good thing to remember Mr. Bergholtz is the producers know how the show will end already and they know how many episodes they have to explain it all.

It will come together. Have faith.

 

[Entropy]

What in particular do you feel like they've glossed over or had as dead ends or red herrings, Andy?

Some mysteries they have not addressed in awhile, the numbers and the Adam & Eve skeletons come to mind, but I feel like they fit into the larger story and the writers will come back around to them eventually. Everything is unfolding nicely so far like a good novel IMO.

I feel like they've done a pretty good job of deepening the mystery of the big story while providing answers to smaller mysteries and clues to other things.

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

What in particular do you feel like they've glossed over or had as dead ends or red herrings, Andy?

Some mysteries they have not addressed in awhile, the numbers and the Adam & Eve skeletons come to mind, but I feel like they fit into the larger story and the writers will come back around to them eventually. Everything is unfolding nicely so far like a good novel IMO.

I feel like they've done a pretty good job of deepening the mystery of the big story while providing answers to smaller mysteries and clues to other things.

It seems like there has been so many unexplained things... Such as the mystery surrounding Walt and the dead birds, the arctic monitoring station (that honed in on the electromagnetic explosion) at the end of season 2, the four-toed statue, the Black Rock, the polar bear skeleton in the desert, the 'whispers' and almost supernatural qualities of the others, the 'recent' Dharma supply drops, Libby, the importance of Aaron (as mentioned above), the emphasis on 'good' survivors vs 'bad' survivors on the Others' "list", the "illness" that threatened Rousseau's people, and of course the 'numbers' and 'Adam/Eve' skeletons that you already mentioned.

I know the producers will try to address as many of these as they can before the show ends, but I get the feeling the explanations will feel rushed (if they are explained at all). They've admitted in the past to adding mysterious plot elements to the show with no intention of explaining them... That the 'mystery' is the whole point of the show. I like a good mystery as much as the next guy, but I'll be a little peeved if they leave too many loose ends!

I do agree they've done a good job of keeping the momentum going, finding a pretty good balance between answering questions and keeping the mystery. To be honest, it would have been VERY easy for them to dig themselves into too a hole too big to climb out of, I think the ending date for the show was decided in the nick of time. Hopefully they'll be able to lend weight to some of these past mysteries before the show's end, in such a way that doesn't make them feel like cheap plot devices.

 

[Bannister]

It seems like there has been so many unexplained things... Such as the mystery surrounding Walt and the dead birds, the arctic monitoring station (that honed in on the electromagnetic explosion) at the end of season 2, the four-toed statue, the Black Rock, the polar bear skeleton in the desert, the 'whispers' and almost supernatural qualities of the others, the 'recent' Dharma supply drops, Libby, the importance of Aaron (as mentioned above), the emphasis on 'good' survivors vs 'bad' survivors on the Others' "list", the "illness" that threatened Rousseau's people, and of course the 'numbers' and 'Adam/Eve' skeletons that you already mentioned.

I know the producers will try to address as many of these as they can before the show ends, but I get the feeling the explanations will feel rushed (if they are explained at all). They've admitted in the past to adding mysterious plot elements to the show with no intention of explaining them... That the 'mystery' is the whole point of the show. I like a good mystery as much as the next guy, but I'll be a little peeved if they leave too many loose ends!

I do agree they've done a good job of keeping the momentum going, finding a pretty good balance between answering questions and keeping the mystery. To be honest, it would have been VERY easy for them to dig themselves into too a hole too big to climb out of, I think the ending date for the show was decided in the nick of time. Hopefully they'll be able to lend weight to some of these past mysteries before the show's end, in such a way that doesn't make them feel like cheap plot devices.

I think the illness of Rousseau's people could be the same thing that was happening to Desmond in The Constant.

 

[Sick Boy 82]

I might have missed it, but the "Hostiles" as well. And WTF is up with Rchard?? I love that guy, but why isn't he aging?? If he's a "ghost", how did he come to talk to people off the island??

As for the Polar Bear thing, I might have an explanation. Remeber how Ben got to the desert. Maybe they needed to test on a live subject and rather than use a human, they used a polar bear first.

And maybe the island is Babylon. That's why the Adam/Eve skeletons are there.

And we more or less know how the Black Rock got on the island. Someone moved it and it came up were the Black Rock was, stranding it in the middle of the island.

All just my expert speculation.

And yes, the mystery of everything is why I watch it, but they have to start explaining stuff. I only get like 4 answers per episode and come away with like 40 questions. Not a good answer:question ratio if you ask me.

 

[tomandshell]

A few comments from the producers:

This is a question I don't know if you can or will want to answer...Does Richard Alpert age?

CC: Does Richard Alpert age? I think it's a good observation to say that Richard Albert has been observed in various time periods looking the same, but I think that's all we want to say at this point in time. However, you will learn a lot more about Richard Alpert as the show goes on. He is going to become more prominent in the future of the show.

And it seems like the series has branched off in so many different directions. The scope of what has happened on Lost is just so vast and so intricate. As the series continues for the next few seasons, will things start to come together in some sort of cohesive way or are you still branching out further?

CC: We were actually laughing about this the other day. How, back at the beginning, finding water was sort of the crisis, not whether the island can be moved. The stakes have definitely risen.

We have two seasons left, so we think there will be more incredibly compelling complications for the characters before we get to the end, but again really the great virtue of the end date is that we will start wrapping things up, and we will be trying to tie up all the story threads.

We keep a list of unanswered questions, and we will be trying to answer most of those. Obviously, mystery is a part of life, and mystery is a part of the show. I guess we'll all have to see at the end of the day how satisfied people are, but it is our intention to try to wrap things up. I don't know if the show will become simpler, but hopefully in the wrapping up of these questions, it will be satisfying.

DL: There are some questions that are very engaging and interesting, and then there are other questions that we have no interest whatsoever in answering. We call it the midi-chlorian debate, because at a certain point explaining something mystical demystifies it. To try and have a character come and say "Here is what the numbers mean," actually makes every usage of the numbers up to that point less interesting.

You can actually watch Star Wars now and when Obi-Wan talks about the Force to Luke the first time we hear him, it loses its luster because subsequently the Force has been explained as, sort of, little biological agents that are in your blood stream. So you go, "Oh, I liked Obi-Wan's version a lot better," which in the case of our show is "The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island."

CC: I heard that Obi-Wan had actually experienced the numbers. That's actually a big secret that's now been revealed.

DL: But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six.

 

[Sick Boy 82]

No numbers explaination??!! That's very ^^^^ worthy of them!!!!

 

[barryo]

i just hope that when they do reveal the secrets or explanations of the mysteries that it is not someone sitting there (such as ben) and just telling it. some things could be explained verbally but for the biggies i want to "see" the proof.

 

[Agent0028]

...Everything is unfolding nicely so far like a good novel IMO...

If this were a novel it would probably make War and Peace look like a quick read. I understand what you are saying Andy, it definitely can be trying at times. BTW your new avatar is awesome.

I also don't buy the midi-chlorian thing. It was lame, but it hardly explained the Force, it just explained why some people can use it and others can't. It doesn't demistify it, I still don't know how those little cells allow a person to levitate an X-Wing.

 

[tomandshell]

Apparently, major spoilers will be hitting the net tomorrow, completely giving away every moment, twist, turn, death, cliffhanger and kiss of the three part finale (on behalf of an insider leak). So be careful what you read if you don't want everything ruined for you. I am going to stay away from any Lost related sites until I'm done watching the finale on the 29th.

 

[Agent0028]

Thanks for the heads up Tom.

 

[Sick Boy 82]

This is the only Lost site I go to on the whole web, so I guess I will be safe.

 

[UTtoyfan]

Apparently, major spoilers will be hitting the net tomorrow, completely giving away every moment, twist, turn, death, cliffhanger and kiss of the three part finale (on behalf of an insider leak). So be careful what you read if you don't want everything ruined for you. I am going to stay away from any Lost related sites until I'm done watching the finale on the 29th.

YIKES! Well good thing tomorrow is Thursday so we at least catch part 1 of the season finale.:chew

 

[Darth Caedus]

Apparently, major spoilers will be hitting the net tomorrow, completely giving away every moment, twist, turn, death, cliffhanger and kiss of the three part finale (on behalf of an insider leak). So be careful what you read if you don't want everything ruined for you. I am going to stay away from any Lost related sites until I'm done watching the finale on the 29th.

One of the actors on Lost is in my buddy's acting class and he freaking spoiled it for me. SO pissed. BUT, the spoilers are AWESOME, you'll be pissed when the finale ends (pissed as in not wanting it to end)