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I swear, his school has no sense of humor, I sent him wearing his new favorite movie prop to movie appreciation day and they sent him home. Fools!

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I know i'm seeing AOU tomorrow morning, hopefully I can squeeze FR again as well. :slap

I'm curious about that MM videogame, hopefully it turns out to be good.
 
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Both Tomorrowland and Poltergeist are getting pretty weak reviews.

Didn't expect anything less. Tomorrowland will still be number 1 though probably, which sucks. But its a family draw. FR will have to suffice on boys multiple viewings. So let's hope there's enough young men with testosterone left in this country to push Max across the line like they used to.
 
Why The Latest MAD MAX “Fan Theory” Is A Crock Of ****

No, he isn't The Feral Kid.

By DEVIN FARACI May. 21, 2015

There's a 'fan theory' going around about Mad Max: Fury Road, and if you're anything like me even the very sound of the words 'fan theory' make you want to tear out your own intestines and hang yourself from the local pre-school, just to give the growing children the kind of traumatic shock that will force them to spend their lives in therapy as opposed to concocting 'fan theories.'


Anyway, this latest 'fan theory' is an iteration of the classic James Bond 'fan theory,' which is "it's a different guy this time." For people who subscribe to the Bond version they believe that James Bond is a code name given to any agent with the 007 number. They believe this despite immense amounts of evidence to the contrary, including Roger Moore's Bond mourning the dead wife of George Lazenby's Bond and Skyfall establishing that James Bond's parents had the last name Bond.


How does it work for Mad Max: Fury Road? Well, they think he's the Feral Kid from The Road Warrior all grown up. It's all over Reddit, and Nerdist put together an article about it using reasoning like:

Hardy’s lines from Fury Road could likely fit on one page double spaced, but his grunts could be pages 2 through 10. Coincidentally, those are the only sounds we ever hear The Feral Kid make. We know he learned to speak over time since, as mentioned, he narrates Road Warrior as an old man. So the argument could be made that Hardy’s grunts are left over from his days as a wild-haired mongrel.

They're also both men!


Before I completely debunk this, I have to ask why this theory even exists. Part of it is because the Mad Max films have profoundly loose continuity, and this bothers people. The world of Mad Max is very,very different from the world of The Road Warrior, and fans have been scrambling for decades to fill in the gaps between the films. It gets even worse with Fury Road, which seems to take place decades after the apocalypse, even though Mad Max is set in a dystopian world hurtling towards the apocalypse. How could Max be so young in Fury Road?


Well, because continuity isn't the issue, much as with the Bond films. George Miller fills Fury Road with callbacks but not real easter eggs - the music box mechanism in Fury Road plays a different song than the one in The Road Warrior. They're echoing elements, not actual things that reoccur over the course of the narrative. The narrative is loose, mythical in nature.


This drives fanboys wild. They need to be able to connect every dot, to know how everything works, to open the unicorn up and look at every one of its entrails and kill the magic. They don't approach movies as art but as puzzles, and not just puzzles to be solved but puzzles to be bested. It's an attempt to prove superiority over the movie, to mount it and conquer it, to dominate it in a way they cannot dominate much else in real life. There's a refusal to submit to the world of the film, and a desire to outsmart it at every turn. They hate ambiguity - it needs to mathematically check out, because emotions are beneath them.


Okay, now that I have vented this, how do I know Max isn't The Feral Kid in Fury Road? Even if we ignore the ending of The Road Warrior, where The Feral Kid tells us what happens to him and his people, take a look at this still:

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That's from the end of the original Mad Max. That's pretty iconic Max for me.


Now look at this still from Mad Max: Fury Road:

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Note that Max has the same leg brace. At the end of Mad Max he is shot in the leg and constructs that leg brace to help himself walk; he wears it in every film after. Including this one. It's part of the iconic look of Mad Max, as much as the V8 Interceptor and the leather jacket. It's Bond's tux and Walther PPK.


If you're going to keep being the kind of jackass who needs to outsmart the film, for whatever reason, you'll say that the Feral Kid just replicated Max's look, down to the leg brace. I'd say you're an idiot. That's my fan theory.
 
"They don't approach movies as art but as puzzles, and not just puzzles to be solved but puzzles to be bested. It's an attempt to prove superiority over the movie, to mount it and conquer it, to dominate it in a way they cannot dominate much else in real life. "

:lol

People are crazy. This movie was originally supposed to star Mel. Pretty much everyone knows that. So Mel going to duel role both himself in the first three films and then the grown up feral in the fourth? :duh Good stuff.
 
So by now we’ve all seen Mad Max: Fury Road at least once and have had our faces melted off. If you haven’t, stop what you’re doing and go see it. Then come back and read this. Or proceed with caution. Spoilers be near.

Writer/director George Miller has been somewhat fast and loose about the details of Fury Road‘s timeline and specifically Tom Hardy’s Max — a character originally made famous of course by Mad Mel Gibson in 1979’s Mad Max, 1981’s Road Warrior and 1985’s Beyond Thunderdome.



In a Q&A with Fandango, Miller refers to Fury Road not as a remake or reboot but “a revisit.” He added that the films weren’t necessarily sequels of each other but “they’re kind of like standalones exploring the whole world – like Westerns.” Though there are obvious things that connect them together, with Mad Max himself of course being the throughline…but what if Tom Hardy’s Mad Max in Mad Max: Fury Road isn’t THE Mad Max?!



“Everything in the story has to have some sort of underlying backstory. Not just every character, but every vehicle, every weapon, every costume,” Miller states in the interview. Well, what if this new Max has his own underlying backstory?



There’s a fun fan theory making its way around the interwebs that proposes that Hardy is Max in moniker only. As if Gibson’s Max passed the torch along with his jacket and his V8 Interceptor on to a new Road Warrior…but if this is true, then who is this mysterious man hesitatingly calling himself Max in Fury Road?
Maybe someone not so mysterious after all, someone we were already introduced to long ago, though he was only a boy then…a growling, grunting, boomerang-throwing boy. None other than ‘The Feral Kid’ from Road Warrior (played then by Emil Minty)!



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When Max Rockatansky happened upon Pappagallo’s tribe, The Feral Kid became enamored with The Road Warrior — who gave him a small wind-up music box. A music box similar to the one that we see Hardy’s Max have in his possessions, found by one of the wives in the War Rig. And that’s the first major clue at what could be one of the coolest subtle plot points in the Millerverse.



Like any fan theory, it can be poked and prodded and holes can be torn in it. Which is why I think the best way to approach it is a good old fashioned pros and cons list, just like dad taught me to do in confounding situations. Warning: it’s about to get super nerdy and analytical up in this breakdown.



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The Name




A line heavily used in the trailers for the film that’s a key moment in the film itself is when Charlize Theron’s Furiosa asks the drifter his name, which is met with blank stares from Hardy’s character (so she resorts to calling him “fool”). At the end of the film he finally reveals his identity with the line “Max. My name is Max. That’s my name.” It’s delivered in a way that feels like it’s the first time he’s saying it, almost assuring himself that he is now The Road Warrior.
The Flashbacks



One of the few things we see in the film that gives Hardy’s character any glimpses of backstory are flashbacks are to a little girl being run over by a big truck. Some are remembering this incorrectly as flashbacks to the original Mad Max when Toecutter and his biker gang ran down Max’s wife and child. However, Max had an infant son (Sprog), not a toddler daughter…and they were killed by motorcycles, not a truck as seen in the flashbacks of Fury Road. Definitely one of the most mysterious, unexplained aspects of Hardy’s character in the film.



The Narrator



Like the aged voice of the once Feral Kid in Road Warrior, Hardy’s Max narrates Fury Road (Remember, his world is fire and blood?). If you subscribe to this theory that they’re one in the same, it’s an interesting way to bookend the character.



At the very end of the film, we see Feral Kid on the bus with the surviving villagers of Pappagallo’s tribe, looking longingly out the window. Through narration, he tells us that he writes the history so The Road Warrior would be remembered for saving them. And that the kid goes on to become the leader of the villagers, who go on to re-establish civilization. This could be used as an argument against the theory. Though on the flip side (with some suspension of disbelief), this could be what inspired The Feral Kid to go on to be The Road Warrior and thus one day re-establish civilization after the events seen in Fury Road.



Granted, the elder Feral Kid’s narration at the end of Road Warrior reveals he never saw Max again…but perhaps he did, happening upon him in the wasteland, their paths crossing once more. Or perhaps found him already dead?



The Grunts & Growls



Hardy’s lines from Fury Road could likely fit on one page double spaced, but his grunts could be pages 2 through 10. Coincidentally, those are the only sounds we ever hear The Feral Kid make. We know he learned to speak over time since, as mentioned, he narrates Road Warrior as an old man. So the argument could be made that Hardy’s grunts are left over from his days as a wild-haired mongrel.



The Tattoos



There’s a scene early in the film where we see Max’s back covered in tattoos done by the war boys, including one that reads “Day 12045″ (legible here in this concept art), which is 33 years even. If that’s intended to be his age, then that timeline doesn’t exactly work out. Though it kind of does with The Feral Kid who is 9 or 10 in Road Warrior.



Miller is a little fuzzy himself on where Fury Road fits in the timeline. “If you put a gun to my head, I’d say after Thunderdome, but it’s very loose. I can’t even work out the chronology of the first, second and third, let alone the fourth thirty years later.” Though he did state when Fury Road takes place: “The apocalypse of some form happens, and you wind up 45-50 years in the future. That’s where we pick up.”



So, even if 1979’s Mad Max takes place in dystopian future “a few years from now…”, and Fury Road is 45-50 years after the apocalypse (which hasn’t yet happened in Mad Max), then Hardy’s character is far too young to be the same Max, who would be closer to Gibson’s actual age.




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The Clothes



While his overall outfit is similar but different, Hardy does have a few iconic pieces of Max’s outfit on — namely the leather jacket right down to the football pad pauldron and half-sleeve, which the character has worn and modified throughout the entire series. He’s also wearing Max’s leg brace, made from the hinges of a truck tailgate, which the character began wearing in Road Warrior after he was shot in the knee in Mad Max. Though this could also be argued as a pro if you simply believe along with the Mad Max identity, he also adopted his look (jacket, leg brace, car).
The Boomerang



He never throws one! Enough said.






Again, believing in this theory does require some suspension of disbelief. But I wouldn’t put it past Miller — a mastermind who, when it comes to story and script (but definitely not action), it’s all about stripped-down restraint, minimalism, and things unsaid yet implied. He drops us into this universe that has now existed for so long that in the period of time between Thunderdome and Fury Road, it has developed a culture and a language and a deity all of its own. But the film doesn’t come with a Wiki. We’re left to figure out the abbreviations without knowing what they stand for. So, all that to say, it doesn’t seem out of character that Miller would have created this elaborate connection between his old trilogy and his new trilogy, leaving us breadcrumbs to follow.



And perhaps one day those crumbs will lead to something. Hardy is, after all, signed on to three more films, as was announced exclusively by Nerdist on Monday (two of them are prequels). So maybe more of this new Max’s backstory will be revealed (or if he is in fact the old Max, what he was doing all those years since we last left him)…or maybe it’s just a super nerdy fan theory that will prove itself not true. Either way, it’s fun to debate…that’s what fan theories are all about!
So debate away. Poke your own holes. Give us your own pros and cons. And have a lovely day doing it!
 
I think Immortan Joe was the airplane guy from RW and Thunderdome. You know, he always liked to be up high above everyone and had a thing for pasty skinned blondes. The chick who got raped in the red car with her boyfriend in MM decided she wasn't going to take it anymore and joined the Vuvalini. Pass it on.

Little boy who almost got run over by the Night Rider became the leader of Gas Town. The fatty.
 
The series is so crazy that Spence played 2 separate characters that flew planes and Byrne played 2 separate villains. :lol

Tina Turner should've played one of the warrior women. :lol

Be honest, tell me the first time you saw Jedediah flying you didn't think it was the Gyro Capt! :lol

I figured he knocked MM off his camel ride because he didn't recognize it was Max! :lol
 
The series is so crazy that Spence played 2 separate characters that flew planes and Byrne played 2 separate villains. :lol

Tina Turner should've played one of the warrior women. :lol

Wha? Spence was a different pilot in Thunderdome? It's been a while since I saw it but didn't Max look at him and say "You!" or something like that as if he recognized him from Road Warrior?
 
There is debate amongst fans regarding whether Jedediah from Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome is also the Gyro Captain from Mad Max 2, as the actor Bruce Spence portrays the two characters, both of which having similar characteristics. George Miller has stated that they are in fact different characters altogether [citation needed]. The ending of the Road Warrior also states that the Gyro Captain became the leader of the Great Northern tribe. The Road Warrior novella reported that he then died felling wood in 2013.

Jedediah - The Mad Max Wiki

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That theory is whacked.

The simplest explanation is that Mad Max (from Fury Road) is the same character and simply a new actor since Gibson was either too old and/or black listed. The continuity has always been hard to peg, lots of franchises are like that. Most of them don't match up, even when there are blatant references sprinkled in.

Bond - ****ed continuity
Star Wars - ****ed continuity
Terminator - ****rd continuity
Batman - ****ed continuity

The human brain always wants to connect the dots, make it all add up. In reality, all these filmmakers and story tellers are making one story at a time. A singular story that should be able to stand on it's own. Fury Road undoubtedly does this. I saw Road Warrior without seeing Mad Max first, you know what? It all worked out.
 
Yeah, but admit it, it would be cool if he was the FK. :lol

The *need* that some people have for Hardy to be the Feral Kid is stupid but if GM actually planned it that way on his own it actually might be an interesting way to go. Kind of like if he didn't really feel like he had a name to speak of when Furiosa first asked him but then when he helped the War Rig blast through the the remnants of three massive war parties and helped save everyone he thought, "**** it, *I* am Max now."
 
Yeah, but admit it, it would be cool if he was the FK. :lol

Yeah, but having "Mad Max" be a mantle that's passed on is lame and cliched.


There should only be one Max, just like there's only one Man with No Name or one Dirty Harry or one Snake Plissken, or one James Bond. As soon as you make it a moniker that anyone can be, it takes away from the character.
 
Yeah, but having "Mad Max" be a mantle that's passed on is lame and cliched.


There should only be one Max, just like there's only one Man with No Name or one Dirty Harry or one Snake Plissken, or one James Bond. As soon as you make it a moniker that anyone can be, it takes away from the character.

"Mad" is the new "Darth." :lol

"Mad Feral...rise."

But as I mentioned above I don't think it would be horrible in this case. Kind of like Marty calling himself "Clint Eastwood." Doesn't make it a title, he just wanted to adopt the name based on the new situation he was in.
 
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